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Who's our 5/8th next year?

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Doug the Morpork

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Iafeta said:
I thought Fish had a good game, TBH. I didn't think he was out of position much at all. THe Tuqiri try maybe, but weren't they spreading the ball from the other side of the field? He can't be everywhere. He did coincidentally save a try from a scoot from dummy half as well.
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Haha glad to see someone agrees with me, but yeah not much he could of done on the Tuqiri try. Was much improved from the last 2 games, which tells me he is working on his weaknesses and isn't as disinterested as some may perceive.

He just needs a bit of time to form combinations with other players and then we will start seeing the form that he displays in the NSW cup.

On a side note the speed that he showed in Hurrels try was crazy, he was jogging by the end of it, and Hurrel is no slouch as last week showed, beating Mini for pace.
 
LeagueNut

LeagueNut

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hitman82 said:
The other huge bonus with TL is by the time Friend leaves, if we have a junior who's ready to step up in the 6 role, TL is also very effective as a hooker - and he could easily revert to being one.
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How old is Leuluai? It seems like he's been around for decades but he probably made his debut when he was 17 or something. At first thought I would have guessed he and Friend would be around the same age.
 
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Penrose Warrior

First Grade
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Doug the Morpork said:
Lol at all you Fish haters. His positioning was fine, bar a few times where he was maybe a little bit out of position. You obviously have no idea how fullbacks work and are just jumping on the bandwagon. Saying that our weak defense was because of him is laughable and shows how little you know able rugby league in general. He is one of our most promising prospects and will be a star in the the future.

If he was given a chance like Locke last year, and given 6 or 7 games in a row I have no doubt that he would be a great player. Being able to form combinations with players and not just being thrown in the deep end when someone gets injured.

And when people dismiss his form for the Vulcans the 20 tries he has scored, just look at the current NSW centre Jennings for example. He did nothing in his game for Windsor against the Vulcans and didn't score a bucket load of tries like some people suggest top class players would. The Fish absolutely dominates that competition every week and has shown he is just way to good to be there.

I know he needs to work on some things and defense is not his strong point but some of the claims that are being made about him are just stupid. With experience in first grade I firmly believe that he will become a superstar and do what hes is doing to NSW cup teams to NRL teams. Also funny how no one is talking about how safe he was under high ball or how his kick returns were 10 times better than last time he played.
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For future, putting your case forward works better without the boring old 'you obviously know nothing/bandwagon/how little you know of a position'. Newsflash, it's a league forum - none of us made it to the big show.

It is possible to be too good for one level, not good enough for the other. Plenty of people have done it in plenty of sports. Jennings was in NSW Cup kicking stones, waiting to be picked for Origin. Poor comparison, plus he is a centre with less room to move.

At the end of the day, Locke is the far superior fullback and is going to have command over that position. Our defence is structured far better when he is at the back, he talks better, his cover is far far far better, he's positionally better, even better in the air (although yes Fish was good there) and whilst has a bit less toe, is still dynamic.

So Fish is going to struggle to get near the No.1. You think he's a winger? I doubt he's a centre or anything else.
 
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Penrose Warrior said:
For future, putting your case forward works better without the boring old 'you obviously know nothing/bandwagon/how little you know of a position'. Newsflash, it's a league forum - none of us made it to the big show.

It is possible to be too good for one level, not good enough for the other. Plenty of people have done it in plenty of sports. Jennings was in NSW Cup kicking stones, waiting to be picked for Origin. Poor comparison, plus he is a centre with less room to move.

At the end of the day, Locke is the far superior fullback and is going to have command over that position. Our defence is structured far better when he is at the back, he talks better, his cover is far far far better, he's positionally better, even better in the air (although yes Fish was good there) and whilst has a bit less toe, is still dynamic.

So Fish is going to struggle to get near the No.1. You think he's a winger? I doubt he's a centre or anything else.
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Well said PW.
 
Bobby DIGital

Bobby DIGital

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Penrose Warrior said:
I think Maloney has got a reputation as being a good defender because he hits hard and willingly. However, he gets caught out too much.
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Maloney has a reputation as a good defender!!!!????

He's one of the worst defenders i've seen in a long time.

His misses on Croker, Robinson, Moga and Moltzen (and that's just in recent weeks) which lead to tries were atrocious.
 
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Penrose Warrior

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I agree. I've heard plenty of people say he's a good defender and he never comes up in poor defender discussions. But he's a turnstile a lot of the time.

We've missed the most tackles in the comp. In fact we're 50 ahead than anyone else with 403. I wouldn't mind betting he's missed the most in our side.
 
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tangalife

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Maloney was terrible in defence in his first year with us.
Then last year, out of the blue, he started putting on some big shots. His defence did actually improve a little but he was mainly just pulling of some good 1 on 1's every now and then.

This is why some people think hes good on defence, even my mate reckoned he was good on defence - just basing it solely on him putting in a tough tackle every now and then.
 
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Doug the Morpork

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Penrose Warrior said:
For future, putting your case forward works better without the boring old 'you obviously know nothing/bandwagon/how little you know of a position'. Newsflash, it's a league forum - none of us made it to the big show.

It is possible to be too good for one level, not good enough for the other. Plenty of people have done it in plenty of sports. Jennings was in NSW Cup kicking stones, waiting to be picked for Origin. Poor comparison, plus he is a centre with less room to move.

At the end of the day, Locke is the far superior fullback and is going to have command over that position. Our defence is structured far better when he is at the back, he talks better, his cover is far far far better, he's positionally better, even better in the air (although yes Fish was good there) and whilst has a bit less toe, is still dynamic.

So Fish is going to struggle to get near the No.1. You think he's a winger? I doubt he's a centre or anything else.
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Thats was in response to all the unwarranted hate towards the Fish, and it seemed like people were just jumping on the bandwagon for the sake of it and not actually watching the game. If they actually watched the game and knew about fullback positional play then they would no that he was out of position very little. Just cause he has a bad rep for it people automatically think it's fishes fault when tries are scored.

Well Fish is not one of those players, he is one of the most naturally talented players at the club and has instinct for support play and offloads to is impossible to teach and Locke will never have. Jennings is still a very classy player and should of at least looked a cut above the rest, but he was poor. The Fish consistently rips the opposition apart and he is so far ahead of any other fullback in the NSW cup its not funny.

Yes Locke has a very impressive defensive game, but if you remember back to last year when he was in great form, the breaks he made were mostly from counter attack or were very opportunistic. Not saying that is a bad thing, but a fullback like the Fish, will consistently make breaks from his support play and can use his speed from set plays. If he was given an extended run at fullback and team adapt slightly to his game as opposed to Lockes, I have no doubt he would be scoring bucket loads of tries. Can't think of a player with as much top end speed as the Fish.

I love how you just write him off when people such as Phil Gould (I know hes a bit senile these days, but he certainly does know his stuff) rate the Fish incredibly highly. and like I said I think Locke should retain the number 1 but in time Locke should move to 5/8, he has the skills, and the Fish should take the fullback spot. Both players are too good not to be in the team.
 
vvvrulz

vvvrulz

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Doug the Morpork said:
a fullback like the Fish, will consistently make breaks from his support play and can use his speed from set plays. If he was given an extended run at fullback and team adapt slightly to his game as opposed to Lockes, I have no doubt he would be scoring bucket loads of tries. Can't think of a player with as much top end speed as the Fish.
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In the three games so far, Fish has hardly looked a threat on attack bar that one Roosters try. Yes he has been carving up the NSW cup but first grade is a different ball game and he isn't quite there yet.

Now in saying that, I agree he needs to be held onto and worked into the team down the line. At the moment he is just too rough a diamond to be a first grade fullback, which is why I suggested we chuck him on the wing.
 
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Doug the Morpork

Juniors
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vvvrulz said:
In the three games so far, Fish has hardly looked a threat on attack bar that one Roosters try. Yes he has been carving up the NSW cup but first grade is a different ball game and he isn't quite there yet.

Now in saying that, I agree he needs to be held onto and worked into the team down the line. At the moment he is just too rough a diamond to be a first grade fullback, which is why I suggested we chuck him on the wing.
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I think that is due in part to how the team plays with Locke in the side. Locke is poor at support play so the team is focused around playing a different kind of game. When Mckinnon was here they were always looking for the offload up the middle cause the players knew Mckinnon would be running through for often than not. Fish plays the same game but with way more speed. The Vulcans obviously have adapted their game plan around the Fishes support play, that is why he gets so many opportunities in that team.

The last 3 games I have seen him running through looking for the offload countless times only for the ball carrier to just tuck the ball and take the tackle. He will get his chances and I do agree the warriors should put him on the wing first and have him refine his game there.
 
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vvvrulz

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Strange isn't it, with Mateo & Maloney around you'd think there'd be plenty of offloads and half-gaps to be had.
 
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Warriorz

Juniors
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vvvrulz said:
Strange isn't it, with Mateo & Maloney around you'd think there'd be plenty of offloads and half-gaps to be had.
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Exactly my thoughts. Doubt the lack of supporting play can be completely down to Locke with the likes of Mateo and a few others being noted for having a pretty decent offload. I dare say coach's orders have limited those opportunities for Fish more than Locke's style changing how the team plays.
 
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