Who's to blame

[Tigerted]

Tigers tale unfortunately our lack of funds prevents us from signing a hard-arse & top drawer coach !

To rub salt in the wounds we r stuck with the absolute dunce of coaches !

 

[Tigers Tale]

This is a direct cut & paste of a post that I just read on the Sharks site....it ain't just us fellas.

Why do Manly win Premierships and we don't?

They don't accept mediocrity for too long. One year is too long for them. In recruitment in general they would much rather sign a player like a Jamie Lyon than buy 3 players who give the Club "Depth" in the backline.

They recognise quality in their juniors like a DCE or a Brett Stewart and they don't let them go. In recent times we have let promising juniors go in the place of " reliable" journeymen.

We persist with players like Ricky Leutele & Chad Townsend who are never going to be better than what they are now. Which is average First Grade players/ Solid NSW Cup players.

We sign elite players generally on the decline rather than on the rise. Until the Club recognises these flaws we will be having Ground Hog Day over and and over again at the Sharks.

Depth does not win Premierships.....Elite stars do.

 

[Vic Mackey]

This is a direct cut & paste of a post that I just read on the Sharks site....it ain't just us fellas.

Why do Manly win Premierships and we don't?

They don't accept mediocrity for too long. One year is too long for them. In recruitment in general they would much rather sign a player like a Jamie Lyon than buy 3 players who give the Club "Depth" in the backline.

They recognise quality in their juniors like a DCE or a Brett Stewart and they don't let them go. In recent times we have let promising juniors go in the place of " reliable" journeymen.

We persist with players like Ricky Leutele & Chad Townsend who are never going to be better than what they are now. Which is average First Grade players/ Solid NSW Cup players.

We sign elite players generally on the decline rather than on the rise. Until the Club recognises these flaws we will be having Ground Hog Day over and and over again at the Sharks.

Depth does not win Premierships.....Elite stars do.

yeah real good post that. thats the big difference between clubs like the roosters, manly, dogs etc and us, sharks, parra, knights etc.

we buy 10 reserve graders and hope a couple come good. sure occassionally youll get an Austin and Taupau, but for eveyr one of the them you get 20 Keith Lulias.

you would never see one of the first mentioned clubs go through a 6 year rebuilding proccess like we experience. it can be done in a year. the roosters and dogs on many occassions have gone from the cellar to top 4 within 12 months through good purchases and cutting dead weight immediently. the players know the club wont stand for mediocrity so they can never relax.

 

[Sinman]

I blame Jason Taylor at this point.. He coaches a boring game plan that stifles players and everywhere he has been the players haven't liked him.. sack him.. bring in the Walker brothers.. If we lose we will still change the way Rugby League is played but here is the thing.. The Walker Brothers.. however crazy their methods seem to be... seem to be able to make teams with less talent win games.. we have talent.. I vote for a Walker Bros revolution at the Tigers!!

 

[The Charlatan]

I blame Jason Taylor at this point.. He coaches a boring game plan that stifles players and everywhere he has been the players haven't liked him.. sack him.. bring in the Walker brothers.. If we lose we will still change the way Rugby League is played but here is the thing.. The Walker Brothers.. however crazy their methods seem to be... seem to be able to make teams with less talent win games.. we have talent.. I vote for a Walker Bros revolution at the Tigers!!

Walker pair would more time again to coach out the structured football that players have been coached to play for 10 years. The natives are restless now and want success now. The Walker boys are not a viable option.

 

[benched tiger]

IMO the sh#t our club is in started long before Taylor arrived,the problem is that he has only added to the sh#t rather than rectify the situation.

 

[gallagher]

I blame Jason Taylor at this point.. He coaches a boring game plan that stifles players and everywhere he has been the players haven't liked him.. sack him.. bring in the Walker brothers.. If we lose we will still change the way Rugby League is played but here is the thing.. The Walker Brothers.. however crazy their methods seem to be... seem to be able to make teams with less talent win games.. we have talent.. I vote for a Walker Bros revolution at the Tigers!!

Only 5 teams scored more points than us this year. We can't be that boring

 

[The Charlatan]

IMO the sh#t our club is in started long before Taylor arrived,the problem is that he has only added to the sh#t rather than rectify the situation.

This is a problem that is overlooked.

This started long before Go & the independent directors, Pascoe and Taylor. Hell, it started before Mayer and Potter.

For years this club has only ever had the short term in frame. We threw everything at 2010 and 2011 and have been hurting since. Sheens panicked and signed Blair which blew up spectacularly and f**ked us for years after. Backloading of contracts started under Noyce and it's been the default cap management method since. Sheens had his favourites and they never got dropped from consistent underperformance. A culture of complacency among the playing group has festered and since been tolerated.

While JT isn't up to scratch as a coach at this point, he is working with the board to instil a change in culture and the board look to be finally taking responsibility for the cap shenanigans and doing what they can now while the club is a mess in order to have a tilt at the player market and make ourselves more competitive on the paddock.

May as well fix the problems now while we're already f**ked.

 

[madunit]

I agree, but we would've been better suited going through this transition phase with Potter as coach.

I don't buy the Farah rift bullshit.

There's talk of a rift with Farah and Taylor, but the club is sticking with Taylor.

The talk of a rift between Farah and Potter saw Potter get sacked.

To me, the board are the ones who got rid of Potter, not Farah.

The club really f**ked up there. I'd argue that we'd be better now if we had've stuck with Potter.

 

[The Charlatan]

I agree, but we would've been better suited going through this transition phase with Potter as coach.

I don't buy the Farah rift bullshit.

There's talk of a rift with Farah and Taylor, but the club is sticking with Taylor.

The talk of a rift between Farah and Potter saw Potter get sacked.

To me, the board are the ones who got rid of Potter, not Farah.

The club really f**ked up there. I'd argue that we'd be better now if we had've stuck with Potter.

I agree re: Potter. He should have been given another two years to build. Instead he was made out to be the scapegoat.

I don't know what the rift BS here. I don't know whether the club wanted him gone and they've left it to the media rumour mill to form their own conclusion (when a player is asked to go or wants out the default stance is a rift with the coach,) but the Farah saga is really the only foot the board have put wrong since changing over to the independents. They seem more focused on finding one home for us, they're looking to the future with a possible development at Liverpool, and they're trying to mend the salary cap mess while still allowing the coach to make what I would consider moneyball signings in an attempt to remain competitive during the cap overhaul. f**k, even the jerseys look better than recent incarnations.

For the most part I think they've done a good job, can only really fault them on the handling of Farah and even then they're not totally responsible for the media clusterf**k as I can bet dollar to a dime that they didn't leak the details to the media, Ayoub would have leaked it for effect, which worked to a tee.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

I always wondered if the board didn't like the way Potter expressed himself at post match interviews and in fact most interviews with the press.

He was, in a way, a bit like Bennett, not very animated, just and in many cases, one word responses. Maybe they, the board were thinking what's wrong with this guy, can he even coach?

When, his primary role was to coach and perhaps, I don't know but coming from the UK the interviews were not a primary undertaking.

So then they appoint a new Chairperson, someone with long term media experience and she lets Taylor front the media and continue with his verbal diarrhea.

Taylor for me is the complete opposite to Potter, primary role is to make a fool of himself when speaking to the press and coaching as his 2nd task.

 

[Vic Mackey]

about a year ago i spoke to ben ross, he came to souths just as taylor left. the players at souths all said they thought he had a great rugby league brain and they respected that. however as a person they all thought he was a complete c**k. he isnt likable and seems to find it difficult to get his point across in a non aggressive/abrupt way.

unfortunately this type of personality has to come with success behind it, like the scary head master that kids dont like but will do whatever he says out of fear of being reprimanded. however with the limited success he has had it more likley makes him a joke to the players.

 

[BrotherJim05]

Just on the subject of Potter, I 100% believe that if Potter was still the coach, had the full backing of the board, full control over the roster and the same medical staff we would have been within or close to top 8.

Potter expressed that he only wanted to give Robbie a two year deal. Robbie would be off contract at the moment and not able to command the 1 million a year. However, under Potter Robbie had two of his best years. Whatever their relationship was, Potter got the best performances out of Farah.

Potter also brought a number of players into FG that were loyal to him. Thomson, Taupau, Austin would ALL have been kept if Potter was able to fully control his roster. I reckon Potter wanted to keep Austin at 6 but was forced to play Moses by other forces.

Then think of all the young guys that have come through under Potter. Brooks, Tedesco, Nofoluma, Simona, Ava, Sue etc.

While I'm still a bit bitter about Potter's treatment, we have to respect the fact that JT is our coach for the next two years. If we don't see big improvement by the end of 2016 or at least an attempt to put a solid roster together for 2017 then we should seriously consider replacing him for 2017. Before then, I think we need to give him more time

 

[Tiger05]

The way Potter copped it amazed me. He came across so much better than JT and we didn't get the terrible game plans that we got under JT.

At the same time I like the way JT has rearranged the team.

 

[Old Time Tiger]

After a season of 'developing' Moses in 1st grade now we have (as reported in the press) other clubs circling Moses.

Who's to blame?
Other clubs can see what a basket case of a club we support and have started to circle.
Moses manager knows how young Mitch feels and perhaps the manager is putting out feelers.
It's just a hack sports journalist putting something out there.

What matters is someone is to blame at WT's for the f**kup that is the WT's, will that person or persons get dropped to reserve grade?

Just heard on the news that the NRL have now stated that no club can sign Farah at reduced value. Why would that be when it's a common practice throughout the NRL?

 

[madunit]

Farah's case is a bit different.

As his current deal has backdated payments, it means what he is getting is more than his market value.

So say he's worth 650 but he's on 950, no club is allowed to offer him 600k knowing that the Tigers will be paying the whole lot.

The NRL has essentially said "If he's earning 950k than that is his value. If you want to sign him, the Tigers will pay a fair chunk, but his new club must pick up the balance"

Can't have a 650k player on your books, earning 950k a year. It's fair enough I guess. Imagine the massive loopholes one could create in the salary cap if such a scheme was allowed?

 

[macnaz]

Isnt that happening already ?
I bet Blair isnt on the Bronco's books for the full price we were paying him , but rather the difference .

 

[Tigers Tale]

Hey Mad Unit, I know you are one for stats etc but I'd like to know what other clubs are paying players to play for other clubs. It seems we are regularly doing it...maybe it is more common than I think but gee how can you balance the books when you do this.

Seems WT are doing this every year. Are the tops sides doing it?

 

[The Charlatan]

Broncos would be paying part of the fare for Barba I would imagine.

 

[madunit]

Isnt that happening already ?
I bet Blair isnt on the Bronco's books for the full price we were paying him , but rather the difference .

so long as the minimum he is earning is at least what he was on with us, then it doesn't matter what the breakdown is.

But it can be argued, that Farah's salary has at least 200k in it for the next 2 seasons which are essentially backdated, it inflates his value.

However, it also dictates his value, so he cannot be offered a deal less than that, especially when he is an Origin captain and test player.

That's my understanding of it all anyways.