Why Can't the Video Ref Rule On a Forward Pass?

[ozenzud]

Well the warriors were defintely ripped off last night as the Storms last pass in their second to last try was defintely forward. No question. It was obvious on tele and clearly the hands passed the ball forward. Yet both touch judge and the ref in good position to see. Why was it not called?

Was it another case of the preceived better team gets the calls, thereby making the perception the reality? Bloody frustrating watching your team play well, week in week out and getting shafted by bad refs calls.

I don't mind the odd one. That happens. But the ongoing serial offences. I think with new technology, the forward pass should be ruled on by the video ref.

Mind you, they do a crap job of every other decision, I dunno why I'd hope to arrest some of the injustices.

 

[Babyface O'reilly]

the camera angles argument is flawed. we can rule on knock ons' and whether someones heel has hit the touchline (ask hayne)

it does get more complicated with passing and the physics involved, but as fans we can sit in our lounge rooms and see a forard pass, the commentators can see it, why the f**k cant the video ref? given we npow also have a system where the ref has to make a decision before he sends it upstairs i dont think we'd have the shambles we had before.

I'm not concerned about the lineball passes, i'm concerned about the ball which has clearly been passed 1m forward and everyone who saw it knows it went forwards but the touchie was too gutless to put up his flag and the ref thinks it may have been forwarsds but cant check

The VR gets knock-on calls wrong however. Why give them another thing to f**k up over. The less involvement from them the better, I say but I get your point.

 

[Armageddon.]

What ever happened to the deliberate forward pass rule?
Does it still exist? I see passes all the time that should be penalised.

 

[Iafeta]

And there was a great chance to use it Arma. The guy who received the ball was standing in an offside position from the chap who passed it.

I see ozenzud's point. If you're a top 4 side, you're going to get a huge proportion of 50-50 calls go your way. Particularly at home. There's some home town charlie refs in this comp, thats for sure. I wonder if there's a certain subconscious fear that if a favourite loses you're going to somehow be on the end of a blast from a Craig Bellamy type character, which seems to get a lot of reference and validity in the media, yet if Matt Elliott here talks to the media, and there was no expectation of them winning, its not that big a deal. I don't know, but there is some poor officiating still this year.

 

[Tera]

The Super 15 introduced the rule to allow the video ref to officiate on forward passes this year and it's been pretty successful.

 

[Iafeta]

They've also allowed play to be reviewed from two phases before - not a fan of that. I don't think yet we're really in a position to review forward passes by video refereeing.

http://www.triplem.com.au/sydney/sport/nrl/news/storm-v-warriors-forward-pass/

Watch the video, I'm not sure who that touch judge is but he should be sacked for the year. Its not a matter of the video referee. Its a matter that an official was right there, right in line, and still made a horrific non-decision. That one is the quittesential description of a penalty, the lad was offside that the pass went to.

 

[Pierced Soul]

What ever happened to the deliberate forward pass rule?
Does it still exist? I see passes all the time that should be penalised.

still exists AFAIK but like a lot of things they get forgotten. the moustrap play used to be illegal as well as i think the attacking team had to be x metres behind the dummy half.

refs are too scared to penalise for a deliberate forward pass, but if the player receiving the ball is in front of the player throwing the ball it should be a penalty. refs only seem to be able to make decisions if they're black and white, that's pretty black and white

 

[Quidgybo]

Watch the video, I'm not sure who that touch judge is but he should be sacked for the year. Its not a matter of the video referee. Its a matter that an official was right there, right in line, and still made a horrific non-decision. That one is the quittesential description of a penalty, the lad was offside that the pass went to.

Touch Judge unsighted. Warriors numbers 3 (obscuring the receiver) and 7 (obscuring the passer) interfered with his view. Nowhere near a sacking offense in my opinion.

Leigh.

 

[firechild]

refs are too scared to penalise for a deliberate forward pass, but if the player receiving the ball is in front of the player throwing the ball it should be a penalty.

Should be a penalty but for offside, not necessarily a deliberately forward pass.

 

[Iafeta]

Touch Judge unsighted. Warriors numbers 3 (obscuring the receiver) and 7 (obscuring the passer) interfered with his view. Nowhere near a sacking offense in my opinion.

Leigh.

Laumape is beaten before the pass is thrown. There's plenty of vision. Plus, the touch judge irrespective of seeing the pass is EASILY able to see that the Storm chap is standing offside.

 

[Quidgybo]

You're judging that from the "plenty of vision" that the cameraman has, not the view the touch judge had. As best as I can tell after watching it about 30 times, he was likely poorly sighted because of defensive players in the way.

Leigh.

 

[Iafeta]

Strongly disagree. Irrespective of whether he sees the pass, he has easy vision of Chambers being in front of Waqa. It is a textbook offside penalty. Utter incompetence.

 

[adamkungl]

Given the changes to the Benefit of the Doubt rule, it's time to look at this again.

Since the ref has already ruled a Try or No Try, 50/50 calls would remain unchanged.

It's an ugly look for the game when a very clear forward pass is replayed time and time again but the referee is forced to rule a Try due to an idiotic rule.

 

[Paullyboy]

No.

 

[StormHi]

No. :roll:

 

[Griffoshark66]

Agreed. It's not that hard.

 

[adamkungl]

Any reason why not....? The video rules on every other dubious call in the game, why is the forward pass so complicated for some simple people?

 

[Dani]

We'd never score a try!

 

[adamkungl]

The idea that forward passes are somehow harder to judge on video than any other ruling is f**king nonsense.

That aside, the changes to BOTD remove most of the (imaginary) ambiguity anyway.

 

[Ronnie Dobbs]

No.

Another grey area for the useless pricks to f**k up.