Why did we get smashed by the kiwis?

[DiegoNT]

If you can honestly say he wasn't the best forward on the field with a straight face then I don't know what game you were watching.

Taupau? Bromwich? Most other kiwi forwards?

 

[WaznTheGreat]

I normally like old mate Parker but he was disgraceful in that test,threw at least 40 offloads that went straight to the ground where we ended up losing yards,if only the ground was a player and could catch.

 

[DiegoNT]

I normally like old mate Parker but he was disgraceful in that test,threw at least 40 offloads that went straight to the ground where we ended up losing yards,if only the ground was a player and could catch.

And this is where stats can trip people up, while it may seem iimpressive Parker made about 200m, with all the bad offloads he made we actually lost ground on some of his hit ups. Throw in the fact that he was dominated in most of the tackles, he had pretty slow play the balls and made a few errors. Someone like tapua might of only made about 130m running, but all his runs were agressive, damaging, he looked to be a danger breaking the line or at least getting a fast play the ball. Sometimes 130m is better than 200m

 

[betcats]

Smith, Cronk, Slater and Thurston are not going to make the world cup. If they do we are no chance of beating the kiwis. Unless Inglis wants to keep getting embarrassed he has to put in 100 at fullback, you cant bludge against a better team and not be found out, especially the FB. The attack looked like Melbourne from a few years ago, structured and easy for the kiwis to pick off as it hasn't changed since Smith, Cronk and Slater got into the side, we play the same footy and are picking very close to the same side as 2009 :crazy:

We looked old and slow in the forwards including Cam Smith. Ive said it like 5 times since sunday, its time time start picking DCE over Cronk, identify JTs replacement and have him around as 18th man. Segeyaro or Friend should be on the bench. Papali, Guerra, Napa, Fifita, Klemmer, Jackson should all be in the mix for the forwards over guys like Lewis, Bird, Myles, Thaiday, Tamou.

Jennings was out there walking whenever we were defending, drop him and pick someone who will bust a nut for the jersey. The kiwis have it over us now, its time to suck it up and get to work. Unfortunately its 12 months before we can get started it really had to happen this year.

 

[Pierced Soul]

two main reasons we lost

1/ the kiwis were bloody good. that was as committed a performance i've ever seen by them. whilst the media want to deride the age of the australian squad, the kiwi's were very good and deserve to be praised for their performance.

2/ sheens has no idea how to unlock the abilities of the players picked. we saw this last year when he has fast outside backs but the gameplan was to not use them and keep the ball away from them.

 

[strong_latte]

Simple answer is the Kiwis just walked all over us the forwards and their halves were way more precise in attack (again though - reflection of the forwards; JT was smothered and destroyed because we were always on the back foot).

 

[magpie4ever]

Meanwhile...Kiwis go off to England for a 3-test series against the 3rd ranked (and improving?) English side while Oz wanders off into the sunset for a year with nothing but Origin-fever to test them as a national (?)team. Who knows what other international games NZRL is planning as well?

World cup rolls around again and the Kiwis, as a complete, & still young national team(barring injuries), are a well-oiled machine who have racked up some invaluable experience.

Long time between sweet treats...

It will make the kill so much sweeter when it happens in the World Cup.

Packer was ok, but the bench forwards were badly outplayed.

And bloody hell, Slater wasn't on the field and still some posters want him dropped.

 

[redvscotty]

My issue with your team is that despite what you said above, you have picked a team that contradicts your points.

You still picked a lazy Inglis and two debutants on the wing out of position.

But I do agree with some of the selections.

The problem is that when a team is winning it is not changed and then Australia is left with a divide between the more experienced players and the rest of the eligible players.

True, but I guess I meant that all of those things combined means we lost. If Inglis is on or has a rocket fired up him he's good to go.

The only reason I picked the Debus on the wings was because I couldn't justify any wingers at all in their places. If Morris' are fit then they're both in and then you'd probably pick Johnston or someone to fill the one vacant wing spot.

 

[magpie4ever]

Smith, Cronk, Slater and Thurston are not going to make the world cup. If they do we are no chance of beating the kiwis. Unless Inglis wants to keep getting embarrassed he has to put in 100 at fullback, you cant bludge against a better team and not be found out, especially the FB. The attack looked like Melbourne from a few years ago, structured and easy for the kiwis to pick off as it hasn't changed since Smith, Cronk and Slater got into the side, we play the same footy and are picking very close to the same side as 2009 :crazy:

We looked old and slow in the forwards including Cam Smith. Ive said it like 5 times since sunday, its time time start picking DCE over Cronk, identify JTs replacement and have him around as 18th man. Segeyaro or Friend should be on the bench. Papali, Guerra, Napa, Fifita, Klemmer, Jackson should all be in the mix for the forwards over guys like Lewis, Bird, Myles, Thaiday, Tamou.

Jennings was out there walking whenever we were defending, drop him and pick someone who will bust a nut for the jersey. The kiwis have it over us now, its time to suck it up and get to work. Unfortunately its 12 months before we can get started it really had to happen this year.

Mate, Segeyaro is a PNG rep. Surely, the system doesn't allow him to be picked for us.

I stiil have numerous questions over Klemmer being more than a standard first grade footballer.

 

[ozbash]

who are the Aussie selectors ?

 

[betcats]

Mate, Segeyaro is a PNG rep. Surely, the system doesn't allow him to be picked for us.

I stiil have numerous questions over Klemmer being more than a standard first grade footballer.

He has changed his allegiance, he is available for QLD and AUS now. It might of been something to do with how PNG treated his old man or something, I think I read that.

He is definitely available for AUS now.

Fair enough re Klemmer but you cannot deny we need some new blood in that pack, how was Tamou picked over fifita?

 

[thorson1987]

He has changed his allegiance, he is available for QLD and AUS now. It might of been something to do with how PNG treated his old man or something, I think I read that.

He is definitely available for AUS now.

Fair enough re Klemmer but you cannot deny we need some new blood in that pack, how was Tamou picked over fifita?

Yep.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/state-of-origin-james-segeyaro-switches-to-queensland-as-he-aims-to-succeed-cam-smith-in-maroon/story-fni3gfvk-1227268247750

 

[magpie4ever]

If I needed to pick an Aussie side (without injuries) right now it would be:

1. Slater
2. Morris
3. Morris
4. Inglis
5. ??
6. Thurston
7. Cronk
8. Woods
9. Smith
10. Scott
11. Bird
12. Parker
13. Gallen
14. Thaiday
15. DCE
16. Farrah
17. ???

 

[Someone]

DCE and Farah on the bench against a massive Kiwi side.

thank f**k you aren't a coach.

 

[magpie4ever]

see below

 

[magpie4ever]

Trouble is I have more knowledge of league in my little finger than you have in your ego, f**ker.

You are a f**kwit who follows the sheep by meeting size with size, where as I use football talent to beat these inbred sheepf**kers.

The starting pack can give me plenty of time on the park and the bench adds smarts.

My team with the added winger and sizable bench player would and will beat these f**kers by 40 points in the world cup.

Revenge will be sweet.

 

[Canard]

They were better.

End thread.

 

[lafai]

Because Tim Sheens

 

[Craig Johnston]

They were better.

End thread.

for one match or are they simply better players than ours now?

i've said on numerous occasions now that jesse bromwhich is the best prop in the game, something that not alot of people took seriously a few months ago, but i don't think there's any debate now. and what happens when kearney finally takes that chip off his shoulder and pairs up JWH with big jessie? man they can be even more scary, and unfortunately players like matt scott thaiday nate myles were just not up to that level.

 

[magpie4ever]

How about some national pride, if there are any Aussies on here.

I would hate to be in the trenches with you pricks, lying down and cowling down to these arsewipes.

Smash these bastards back to where they come from.