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I wonder if the penny will drop for you too PR.Only for so long
I wonder if the penny will drop for you too PR.Only for so long
I wonder how big an influencer the negative media in Sydney is on the popularity of NRL there? one of the striking things about the GF viewing figures annually is that huge difference between number of people in Melbourne watching AFL GF compared to number in Sydney watching NRL GF. A clear indication, alongside membership and attendance differences, that AFL is massively more popular in its home city than NRL. How much of this is media driven I wonder and what can the NRl do to address it?
A clear indication, alongside membership and attendance differences, that AFL is massively more popular in its home city than NRL. How much of this is media driven I wonder and what can the NRl do to address it?
The main thing that the NRL needs to do and can do straight away is get on top of rules and adopt a philosophy that the rules should favour attacking football - especially more passing and less running/hit up strategy.
There is a direct correlation between points scoring and crowds in Rugby League as there is in NFL.
Defence has been on top since the wrestling tactics came in, try scoring has dropped and crowds have dropped when they should have risen with the increased revenue in the game.
The problem with defence being on top in league is even more exaggerated than in the NFL because defence is extremely 'vanilla' and boring in League compared to NFL - most none hard core league fan or sports fan who does not like league has not got the slightest interest in defence.
Furthermore every sports fan critic of the game I ever talk to raises the boring nature of hit up then kick as their main gripe with the game.
More passing, more points equals bigger TV and bigger crowds.
He is a douche. What do you find under a bandanna? An arsehole.Admittedly he's a bit of a pompous, sanctimonious wowser but a darn good writer too.
The main thing that the NRL needs to do and can do straight away is get on top of rules and adopt a philosophy that the rules should favour attacking football
You can be pretty certain that's one of the NRL's top goals - there used to be a lot of comparisons to the style played in 2005. They just haven't found a way forward yet.
My suggestion -- have a general 40 metre kick advantage rule - so a 10-50, 20-40, 30-30, 40-20, 50-10 - it's also a lot easier to check with the bunker now.
But you also have a scenario where the defensive line only has 11 or 12 players -- if they gang tackle, they risk opening up gaps in the line that the 13 player attack can exploit.
By giving the attacking side that slight advantage you'll see more creative play from teams coming out of their own half because that's where the defense is most vulnerable to the kick. You'd actually be wasting your advantage if you just took a simple straight run.
Agree,attacking rugby league with running the angles,chip and chase,backline flow in attack,run arounds ,cut outs,wingers at the end of a great backline movement.That's what most fans want and the way to drag in the outsiders.
Get back to true defence on one one,instead of the continual gang tackles.
I may be a layman,But I can never understand if a guy(who is a good kicker) takes a catch on the full in his in goal,can't if he has the space kick the hell out of the ball to the other end,where there is no one.Perhaps get a 0/50 and get a scrum,or have the defence running backwards to get the pill,well away from their previous attacking zone.
I may be a layman,But I can never understand if a guy(who is a good kicker) takes a catch on the full in his in goal,can't if he has the space kick the hell out of the ball to the other end,
Thats half my logic in arguing for 30/50 replacing the 40/20.
As you say the wingers need to drop back opening up the flanks for ball movement from inside a teams 30. I like 30 because if it is 40 that is probably going to reduce ball movement.
I admit at first glance the 20 metre touch finder makes the idea seem too easy. But I think with the wingers back they would be reasonably easy to defend and I also think it would be an awesome skill to see wingers have to develop (hustling to block those kicks).
That said I really like your idea.
The only thing I would suggest is it is obviously very difficult to succeed in achieving a 40 metre touch finder (there were 25 successful attempts all regular season. Thats one every 8 games). How about making it 30 metres???
That threat would be very real.
If he did wouldn't he be giving the opposition (who would be more likely to catch it) another repeat set to attack, this time from about half way?
Well I don't know about the 30/50 20 metre kick -- logistically those wingers are only back about 10 metres behind the defensive line so it's likely harder to place a precision kick in field within that smaller gap. It would most likely be even less frequent to occur than the 40-20.
When the 40-20 works it does so primarily because of kickers taking advantage of the open space and you probably wouldn't get that with a 30-50. Also, if as a result defenses don't believe the kick is a likely threat they won't drop those wingers back to cover it.
The first time I proposed this idea was around 2008 or 2009. In that time the number of 40-20 has decreased. Why? Well recently it's the dead-ball 20m return rule that has stifled kicking from within teams own halves. That's partly why you see those simple dummy runs.
That would change with a General 40 metres -- teams can kick from their own 10 metre line if they want to and be nowhere near the dead ball zone. My main contention though is that it has to be from your own half, go 40 metres and land in the opposition territory - so you couldn't kick from your own goal to your own 40 metre line, so hence 10-50, 20-40, 30-30, 40-20, 50-10 -- I'm not suggesting we call them that -- the General 40 is what I call it.
One of the problems with the 40-20 and for that matter a potential 30-50 is we know the lines where the kicker has to stand behind so the defensive sides can prepare for it.
With a General 40 metre defensive sides can't do that. It can occur anywhere from within an attacking team's own half - basically at any given moment - that's what forces those wingers to drop back because if they don't they run the risk of giving their opposition a free 40 metre advantage.
So like you said at the moment you see 25 successful 40-20 in 2016. A few years ago it was about 50. Under a General 40metre rule I'd estimate you'd see about 200-300 a season - about 1 or 2 a game -- they'd occur mainly when defenses have been ground down and are literally not on the ball.
Teams now have more attacking option - the General 40, the dummy runs and create back play from within the own half. There would be more tries and less wrestling as defensive can't afford to lock 3 or 4 players up in a tackle when they've only got an 11 man line. Obviously you'd see more broken back play and line breaks.
It would just give the game more variety.
The NRL are away of this proposal, all I want to see them do is trial it during the All Stars. Once they see it tested at pro-level it will be adopted.
So you are suggesting a rule change where if you catch a bomb in goal and then kick for touch you get the scrum feed?
I like it. Should be considered.
What about extend it to if you catch it on the full anywhere inside your 20?
Players making plays.
I like it. Though I can't shake the thought that it would be better as a 30 metre kick.
I get your point as to why we don't see many 40/20 s but I think the main reason is footballers don't kick with great accuracy of that distance.
OK they may get another 6 but well outside the original defender's territory.If by chance he got a 0-50 kick,that would knock the stuffing out of the attack.
A tired defence would feel it more,the turning around ,racing back to retrieve a pill ,is energy sapping.
They should get off their a*ses and learn how to kick for distance,instead of leaving it to a couple.If each side had more kickers ,there would be more unpredictability.