Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

[Goddo]

If the CCBears didn't have it's own fans, stadium, catchment, sponsors, business partners, juniors you guys might have a point but....

Actually, you have pointed out the exact problem we are talking about. NSW can't really support more teams financially, especially when there are rich rewards interstate. Realistically the NRL needs new markets, but NSW needs to rearanged.

do we really need Cronulla with St George Illawarra surrounding them?
do we really need niche Manly while ignoring the potential of Gosford and North Sydney?
do we really need two city/eastern suburbs clubs in the Rabbitohs and Roosters?
how long can Penrith continue with its focus on Pokies and juniors without building the strength of its brand (I think this is the core issue for the club)?

Its a huge issue because the brands are old and iconic. Something has to give - the game is always moving towards more interstate clubs bigger population catchments/multi region clubs with iconic branding - but while preserving the best parts of the NSWRL.

The solution lies with a merger or a relocation. No one wants to be that guy though. Souths/Bears merger? Red Green and Black? Manly/Cronulla move interstate?

 

[smithie]

Actually, you have pointed out the exact problem we are talking about. NSW can't really support more teams financially, especially when there are rich rewards interstate. Realistically the NRL needs new markets, but NSW needs to rearanged.

do we really need Cronulla with St George Illawarra surrounding them?
do we really need niche Manly while ignoring the potential of Gosford and North Sydney?
do we really need two city/eastern suburbs clubs in the Rabbitohs and Roosters?
how long can Penrith continue with its focus on Pokies and juniors without building the strength of its brand (I think this is the core issue for the club)?

Its a huge issue because the brands are old and iconic. Something has to give - the game is always moving towards more interstate clubs bigger population catchments/multi region clubs with iconic branding - but while preserving the best parts of the NSWRL.

The solution lies with a merger or a relocation. No one wants to be that guy though. Souths/Bears merger? Red Green and Black? Manly/Cronulla move interstate?

Another way to look at it is, which venues should host NRL clubs in the Sydney area.

Sydney Football Stadium - 2 clubs (Roosters, Rabbitohs)
ANZ Stadium - 2 or 3 clubs (Bulldogs, Tigers, maybe Eels)
Bluetongue Stadium - 1 club (a team representing everyone from northern Sydney to the Central Coast)
WIN Stadium - 1 club (Dragons)

 

[bobmar28]

Another way to look at it is, which venues should host NRL clubs in the Sydney area.

Sydney Football Stadium - 2 clubs (Roosters, Rabbitohs)
ANZ Stadium - 2 or 3 clubs (Bulldogs, Tigers, maybe Eels)
Bluetongue Stadium - 1 club (a team representing everyone from northern Sydney to the Central Coast)
WIN Stadium - 1 club (Dragons)

That's a better way of looking at it.

 

[Perth Red]

Not sure you should build your comp around stadiums! Especially one as bad for club football as ANZ!

I'd prefer a licensing system with min criteria and grading like they have in SL.

 

[smithie]

Not sure you should build your comp around stadiums! Especially one as bad for club football as ANZ!

I'd prefer a licensing system with min criteria and grading like they have in SL.

This is probably the biggest medium-long term problem facing the new commission. Should the SFS get the proposed upgrade, the cries will begin for something to be done at Homebush. Either a ANZ redevelopment or a new stadium.

By 2020 we could be looking at the SFS upgraded, Ausgrid redevelopment completed, a new stadium in Townsville, redevelopment of Canberra Stadium, and NIB Stadium in Perth completely redeveloped. ANZ Stadium could be the worst stadium in the NRL.

 

[Perth Red]

Latest news from the CQ bid:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/League/...159392692?subcat=1225914677120&site=FoxSports

 

[Andrew78]

Thanks for posting the video link Red

 

[Perth Red]

I wonder how big a circle you would need to cast to reach a population of 600K and how many of those would be willing to travel significant distances?

 

[Perth Red]

Nice financial boost for the bid this week with a $10k cheque from the local govt.

CEO Denis Keeffe accepts a $10,000 cheque from Isaac Regional Council Mayor Cedric Marshall in Moranbah today. Big thanks to the Isaac Regional Council for their great support

(from CQ Facebook group)

 

[Spitty]

http://www.cqnrlbid.com.au/2011/12/the-compelling-argument-is-now-irrefutable/

Some interesting arguments there.

Although it does ignore the small population in their home base, which is the largest downfall of the bid.

But none the less similar to CC Bears and WA Reds they are doing the right thing and keeping active both online and in the community.

 

[Goddo]

Local, state and even most national media now agree that when the NRL expands it must do so first into Queensland and they also acknowledge that Central Queensland offers the most advantage to the NRL and its media partners.

He was right till he got to the bolded part.

 

[Perth Red]

The CQ NRL Bid has also experienced massive growth in all of its “key performance indicators” and has advanced the compelling argument for CQ’s inclusion into the NRL competition. A few notable achievements in 2011 include:

• Over 35,000 Bid members which is up from around 20,000 in 2010
• Over 130 Corporate partners, also up significantly from 2010
• Almost 11,000 CQ Leagues Club members which is up from approximately 4,000 in 2010
• Introduction of the QR National Schools Program which involves visiting over 120 Central Queensland schools in conjunction with the local QRL and ARL officers.
• Introduction of the QR National Scholarship Program which provides 12 scholarships for CQ youths for education and sporting expenses, mentoring and professional sport guidance.
• Establishment of the first CQ NRL team, the Stanwell under 13 Development program and Team. (what a great array of talent)
• A world standard Stadium, incorporating much needed convention facilities committed and reaffirmed by the government and now also by the opposition.
• Production of a robust Business Plan, Market Research Analysis, Media Analysis, and Economic Impact Assessment (EIA) all of which are currently being scrutinized by a national accounting firm.
• Significant financial investments from the CQ Corporate sector, including leading companies in the CQ Coal Industry.

We thank the many CQ NRL Bid supporters and wish you all a happy and safe Christmas. I hope to continue my “Bid Updates” in 2012.

http://www.cqnrlbid.com.au/2011/12/2011-%E2%80%93-the-year-in-review/













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[CQ Italia]

Time To Look At The Big Picture

This news item was posted at 9:50 am on the 13th February, 2012
I know and like the NRL CEO David Gallop and I have heard that the Independent Commissioners are progressive thinkers. The NRL have some absolutely brilliant business people who are right up with the latest sports marketing and
management systems, so I know this new national governing body will be THINKING BIG when it comes to the future of our game.
I was recently interviewed by a national sports radio show out of Sydney and we discussed, very open and honestly, the advantages and disadvantages of most of the regions and cities who are bidding for a NRL club.
The main regions discussed were Perth, Central Coast of NSW – Gosford, and Central Queensland, of course. As far as I am concerned, Central Queensland has a compelling argument for NRL inclusion and ticks all of the NRL and media organisations’ boxes. It was agreed that Perth has some redeeming features along with some massive negative issues. Likewise, Gosford, but the panel observed that the primary negative issue concerning Gosford was its close proximity to the existing NINE NRL clubs in Sydney as well as being a vital sub-region of the current Newcastle Knights territory.
While I am happy to debate the huge advantages to the NRL of a NRL club in CQ as opposed to other regions, I think it’s time to think a strategically regarding the whole expansion issue.
We all appreciate the significant economic, social and cultural benefits that are provided by the presence of an NRL to any region but we have to consider the rewards and benefits to the game as a whole i.e. what are the strategic benefits involved?
For CQ the honest answer is compelling. CQ is the GAP as far as the NRL is concerned. We are between the Cowboys and the Broncos geographically. A NRL Club in CQ will proclaim CQ as permanent NRL TERRITORY. No other national sporting organization could operate in this market along with Rugby League so as a consequence the whole of the EAST COAST of Australia will be Rugby League country for ever or at least for a very long time. We will retain our Rugby league HEARTLAND mojo.
This retention is vital because we are constantly being informed by other codes, especially the AFL, that they see our traditional territory as fair game for their expansion ambitions. This strategy is proven by the formation of the Greater Western Sydney Giants, and the Gold Coast Suns.
I have no malice towards the AFL for the creation of these clubs but we should be making it difficult or even impossible for them to “invade” CQ. I know that the AFL has longer term plans for further expansion into the north of Australia (NQ, Cape York, NT and even PNG) and could easily include CQ into these ambitions. Fair enough as well, because as it stands now, there is NO national sporting entity in CQ, so that expansion door for the AFL is open enough for them to be interested.
CQ is vitally important strategically to Rugby League and I know the NRL and the Independent Commission appreciate this importance.


http://www.cqnrlbid.com.au/2012/02/time-to-look-at-the-big-picture/

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Time To Look At The Big Picture

I was recently interviewed by a national sports radio show out of Sydney and we discussed, very open and honestly, the advantages and disadvantages of most of the regions and cities who are bidding for a NRL club.

Including your own?

The main regions discussed were Perth, Central Coast of NSW – Gosford, and Central Queensland, of course. As far as I am concerned, Central Queensland has a compelling argument for NRL inclusion and ticks all of the NRL and media organisations’ boxes. It was agreed that Perth has some redeeming features along with some massive negative issues.

What are these massive negative issues involving Perth?

Likewise, Gosford, but the panel observed that the primary negative issue concerning Gosford was its close proximity to the existing NINE NRL clubs in Sydney as well as being a vital sub-region of the current Newcastle Knights territory.

Knights don't do anything for the CC. If anything it was the other way around, CC provides a feeder club for the Knights to send their players too. It doesn't matter about the other teams either, this is the CC not Sydney.

While I am happy to debate the huge advantages to the NRL of a NRL club in CQ as opposed to other regions, I think it’s time to think a strategically regarding the whole expansion issue.

Ok, when? He didn't touch on anything involving CQ bid at all.

We all appreciate the significant economic, social and cultural benefits that are provided by the presence of an NRL to any region but we have to consider the rewards and benefits to the game as a whole i.e. what are the strategic benefits involved?
For CQ the honest answer is compelling. CQ is the GAP as far as the NRL is concerned. We are between the Cowboys and the Broncos geographically. A NRL Club in CQ will proclaim CQ as permanent NRL TERRITORY. No other national sporting organization could operate in this market along with Rugby League so as a consequence the whole of the EAST COAST of Australia will be Rugby League country for ever or at least for a very long time. We will retain our Rugby league HEARTLAND mojo.

Central Coast, Western Corridor and Brisbane aren't shoring up the east coast? No other sporting team can operate there because no one has ever tried. There is no precedent to go off.

The rest is just babble about the AFL. I'm disappointed Joel, I would have thought that Dennis would have learned his lesson by now and actually touch on CQ's bid instead of continually bagging other bids (supporters can sure, but directors?) and touching on the AFL threat.

What about the actual good stuff? CQ has done heaps of groundwork, why on earth wouldn't he just mention that?

 

[Spitty]

It is a very poor argument. The crux of it is "Give us a team or the AFL might come and claim us."

The shame of it is, there are plenty of compelling arguments out there.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Looks like the order of preference for Expansion is as follows;

1. SE QLD ( either Ipswich or Brisbane 2)
2. Perth
3. Central Coast
4. Central Qld

Does anyone think Central Qld is basically now out of the running, and its a three horse race?

 

[clarency]

I'm amazed people consider them "in the running"...

 

[adamkungl]

Were never in the running

 

[BuffaloRules]

Well, wouldnt it be good if someone had some balls to tell them before they waste more money on the bid?

 

[Goddo]

Looks like the order of preference for Expansion is as follows;

1. SE QLD ( either Ipswich or Brisbane 2)
2. Perth
3. Central Coast
4. Central Qld

Does anyone think Central Qld is basically now out of the running, and its a three horse race?

Its been that way for a year now (It was around Jan/Feb last year when the Bombers and WC bids officially launched wasn't it?)

PNG, CQ and the never materialised Christchurch/Wellington bids are all well out of the running. Gosford is hanging on, but clearly Perth and "Brisbane's" to lose