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Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

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Perth Red

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Again with the criticism of other bids. I wish bids would just concentrate on their own strengths. There's quite a few holes/issues in this article but I'm not going to slate them for stating their case. CQ are an option, just a 4th placed option at this point in time imo.
 

clarency

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Must admit I am likeing CQ bid more and more every artical I read.

People keep arguing over whether a CC team or a Bris2 team is going to impact other existing NRL teams. Frankly the CQLD bid is going to do enormous damage to the Cowboys, and they openly admit it.

Add that to their list of reasons why it's a stupid f*cking bid.
 

gyallop

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it seems that a team in SEQ is a given if the game is to get the TV dollars it is craving so to me CQ is locked in a battle with Perth and CC and its biggest obstacle is its population which is about half of what CQ spruiks and I hope they dont go down the Bombers path of BS and bagging other bids to try to get attention. If your bid is good enough it will get up, no amount of spin will influence the commission....if they do the job in the manner they should.
 

Perth Red

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And there in lies their problem. The $'s are for a 2nd Brisbane team not a 4th Q'land team. It is highly unlikely the ARLC will bring in two Q'land teams at the same time so CQ remains a long 4th imo.
 

CQ Italia

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The major focus for the recent PR appointments will be on viability (with proof not spin), by this I mean signed and sealed, not "potential if given a team".
 

beave

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People keep arguing over whether a CC team or a Bris2 team is going to impact other existing NRL teams. Frankly the CQLD bid is going to do enormous damage to the Cowboys, and they openly admit it.

Add that to their list of reasons why it's a stupid f*cking bid.


this.


Dennis Keefe has disappointed me somewhat with this whole thing, he pretty much saved the Cowboys along with Frank Stanton and news back in the early 2k's, it's like now he really doesn't give a shit about the Cowboys one iota and is hellbent on getting CQ in regardless of the damage it will do to us.
 

CQ Italia

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this.


Dennis Keefe has disappointed me somewhat with this whole thing, he pretty much saved the Cowboys along with Frank Stanton and news back in the early 2k's, it's like now he really doesn't give a shit about the Cowboys one iota and is hellbent on getting CQ in regardless of the damage it will do to us.
Absolute Propoganda.
He still speaks fondly of his time at the Cowboys, in the few times I've spoken to him.

What damage? CQ fans rarely see NRL games. Mackay fans may only see the odd game in Townsville and few would have a season ticket, but will have more NRL to watch (along with if they do attend Cowboys games they will still watch them), whether CQ, Broncos, Titans or Cowboys. Like most regional towns the current supporter base is split on many different teams (including Storm, Warriors and Sydney teams).
For example I know one family they each support: Canberra, Roosters, Cowboys, Storm, Broncos.

Various people I've discussed this with have said they'll still support their current team along with CQ when they get in. Of course there will be people who rarely or never attend NRL games, so will completely "switch" so it won't affect any QLD teams supporter base.

Cowboys only have 2 CQ players (Scott from CW and Cooper from Burnett). Than some in the fringe (Tyson Martin and Sam Hoare - both will have very few opportunities for NRL and some U20s players). U20s and juniors coming through from CQ in recent years have mostly been released, aren't signed or return home anyway.

Add in 2 fullhouses for NQ vs CW games per season.

Let the rivalry begin at NRL level!
 
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Goddo

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Meh. This bid won't get up because it doesn't have enough people; Rockhampton and surrounds simply isn't big enough.

Maybe 10-20 years down the track we can entertain the idea of a CQ NRL side.

And there in lies their problem. The $'s are for a 2nd Brisbane team not a 4th Q'land team. It is highly unlikely the ARLC will bring in two Q'land teams at the same time so CQ remains a long 4th imo.
Its the same situation as Gosford. Great bid, terrible location.
 

CQ Italia

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Central Queensland Capras get double the home crowd attendance that Ipswich Jets get in the QCup. Not that it is a great comparison with such differences in exposure/attractiveness between the comps.

Financial viability and benefits will be the best tool for expansion as with the failure rates of expansion experienced with rugby league in not only Australia but UK, proving profitability, grassroots support, business support and fan support is what is required.
 

Perth Red

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you missed value to the comp and long term growth of the game strategy. Every bid will be claiming financial sustainability or they wouldn't have a hope. RL does not have a track record of additional financial support for expansion clubs (Storm aside though that has been forced on them) probably one reason it has failed in the past.
 

clarency

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What damage?

How about the proposal to build a new stadium in Townsville for the Cowboys? They aren't building both.

Or perhaps the fact that Mackay ARE part of NQLD and are a feeder club to the Cowboys, which you lot are trying to take?

And you probably think I forgot about the article not long ago where CQLD stated they would target Cowboys players for their opening season roster.
 

CQ Italia

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you missed value to the comp and long term growth of the game strategy. Every bid will be claiming financial sustainability or they wouldn't have a hope. RL does not have a track record of additional financial support for expansion clubs (Storm aside though that has been forced on them) probably one reason it has failed in the past.
value to the comp was under benefits (should have been more specific).
 

Goddo

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Central Queensland Capras get double the home crowd attendance that Ipswich Jets get in the QCup. Not that it is a great comparison with such differences in exposure/attractiveness between the comps.
The NRL isn't the Queensland Cup. An Ipswich or Brisbane, or even a Sunshine Coast club would all be preferable to CQ because they all can tap a much bigger market. Hence the media interested in a South Queensland side.

Answer this, what percentage of Rockhamptons population will have to show to get a 20k crowd? 1/5? How many would have to stay at home to watch on TV to get decent extra ratings? 2/5? So CQ needs 60% of Rockhampton to commit to every game in some form just to be comparable to every other bids lowest common denominator. Yes, they want to rep a region, but still.

This is why it won't happen.
Financial viability and benefits will be the best tool for expansion as with the failure rates of expansion experienced with rugby league in not only Australia but UK, proving profitability, grassroots support, business support and fan support is what is required.
Financial viablility also includes things like generating national sponsors, media broadcasters and advertising. A small segment of the regional Queensland market is not more viable in that context to a second Brisbane side. Just because you have the backing of a mining magnate and QR National needs to be MASSIVE to make up for the losses with Internet and Broadcast revenue.

You then slightly hint at the "fear" card of past expansions. Well, look at the markets we have expanded into in the past 30 years - all major centres, NOT small regional towns. What next, give Coffs Harbour a side? how about Albury? Or Dubbo?

And it has already been pointed out by Cowboys fans - your bid has designs on areas already covered by a club, ie Mackay.

CQ won't happen, especially when a South East Queensland team is just about over the line with TV rights negotiations.
 
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CQ Italia

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How about the proposal to build a new stadium in Townsville for the Cowboys? They aren't building both.

Or perhaps the fact that Mackay ARE part of NQLD and are a feeder club to the Cowboys, which you lot are trying to take?

And you probably think I forgot about the article not long ago where CQLD stated they would target Cowboys players for their opening season roster.
Cowboy may need to sell out the current stadium first (14k average in 27,000 seater).
Central Queensland's stadium has already been pledged funding by now the current State Government, before Cowboys introduced plans.

Who said the Bid are taking away the Mackay Cutters?

Mackay government and Mackay Rugby League are still backing the bid.
At the moment Cowboys drop down 4 NRL squad players (none being Mackay juniors), Cutters doesn't really affect Cowboys, more just a way of providing competition for their fringe players. Their juniors aren't required to sign with Cowboys, which is why most are with Broncos and Sydney clubs.
i.e. Waddell - Raiders, Hoffman & Gagai - Broncos, DCE - Manly, B. Barba - Bulldogs & M. Barba Eels, Seymour - England, Nielsen - Storm, O'Hanlon - Eels, Rogan Dean, Sam Foster, T. Johnson - Cowboys U20s, Rhyse Martin- Roosters, Perkins - Knights U20s, Tyson Martin - Cowboys Squad

Provide the link to the article?
Only Taylor and Scott have really been stated in the media as potential, but it was my more the local paper and media interviewing those two. Others with small mentions may have been Humble and Jamie Simpson in the past. Most NRL clubs already target the likes of Scott and Taylor!
With the development program already beginning last year for U13's, by 2015/16 entrance the NYC squad would be largely local.

The program will be 75% locals (players & staff) for the CQ programs. If NRL decide expansion by end of 2012 than alot of the first NYC squad will largely be currently unsigned.
The NRL Squad will be largely CQ juniors, not many signed from other areas.

Broncos recently said they would be taking school sessions to Townsville, is that damage also?
 

CQ Italia

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The NRL isn't the Queensland Cup. An Ipswich or Brisbane, or even a Sunshine Coast club would all be preferable to CQ because they all can tap a much bigger market. Hence the media interested in a South Queensland side.

Answer this, what percentage of Rockhamptons population will have to show to get a 20k crowd? 1/5? This is why it won't happen.

Financial viablility also includes things like generating national sponsors, media broadcasters and advertising. A small segment of the regional Queensland market is not more viable in that context to a second Brisbane side. Just because you have the backing of a mining magnate and QR National needs to be MASSIVE to make up for the losses with Internet and Broadcast revenue.

You then slightly hint at the "fear" card of past expansions. Well, look at the markets we have expanded into in the past 30 years - all major centres, NOT small regional towns. What next, give Coffs Harbour a side? how about Albury? Or Dubbo?

And it has already been pointed out by Cowboys fans - your bid has designs on areas already covered by a club, ie Mackay.

CQ won't happen, especially when a South East Queensland team is just about over the line with TV rights negotiations.

It's a CQ team, you may not be able to understand fans from outside just Rocky will attend. This is backed up from NQ Cowboys and their fans outside of Townsville.

Based on the market and other such reports from cq nrl bid, including the EIA (Economic Impact Assessment) or AEC Report:

http://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=cq%20nrl%20bid%20report&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cqnrlbid.com.au%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F15905_CQ-NRL-Bid_Final.pdf&ei=MiaaT6XNCaeuiQfYoJTBDg&usg=AFQjCNGJNvnBYQPkX1_c2SsdfDKxFIotbg&cad=rja

It basically says on one section one third of supporters or 4,800 fans (at an average of 15,000 for CQ home games) would come from outside the Fitzroy region, ie. from Central West, Mackay/Whitsunday, Widebay/Burnett mostly

so about 10000 will be expected to come from the Fitzroy Region, which is from Yeppoon to Gladstone and west to Emerald.

QLD Government says 210,000, which includes not only Rockhampton Regional Council, but Central Highlands, Woorabinda, Gladstone and Banana Regional Councils
http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Community-and-environment/Regional-information/Fitzroy-Region.aspx

Rockhampton Regional Council is about 120,000 alone, even if the 10,000 fans had to come from Rocky, it would only be 8% and the rest from Gladstone, CH, banana, Issac, Bundy, Burnett, mackay, CW etc.
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CQ NRL Bid won't have a problem generating exposure for big companies, considering they already have Multi-National/National and Large (QLD) Sponsors or support PUBLICLY announced from QR national, Stanwell Power Plant, JM kelly (one of the largest construction companies in QLD), Australian Publishing Network (APN), Telstra Country wide, WIN TV etc.
Than 3 large coal companies donated 440k+ funding toward business plan late last year, with COMPANIES in BHP (BMA) than Cookatoo Coal and Jellidah Group.

600,000+ in CQ (from Mackay to South Burnett) says plenty of advertising and exposure for sponsors and other club's sponsors. 500,000 people from CQ's catchment area watched SOO 2 last year (this figure even being claimed/backed by former GCT Chairman Paul Broughton at CQ Bid season launch this year). CQ will increase the PAY TV subscription (if Fox/Nine actually win the TV rights) with such a large rugby league fan base and low subscriptions rate with their own national sporting team will naturally increase the subscriptions. Including myself.

Geoff Murphy is an owner of a construction company and also a Beef Baron, although has an abundance of contacts all over QLD.


"needs to be MASSIVE to make up for the losses with Internet and Broadcast revenue."

Denis Keeffe recently said this "Our CQ NRL Team will be by far the most viable bid and have the most comprehensive development and community engagement programs in the NRL"

Wait to see before July/August to see how his quote becomes into fruition.
 
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Red&BlackBear

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Denis Keeffe recently said this "Our CQ NRL Team will be by far the most viable bid and have the most comprehensive development and community engagement programs in the NRL"

Wait to see before July/August to see how his quote becomes into fruition.

Really? Because I strongly beg to differ.
 

Perth Red

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Didn't you know they are the only ones doing jnr development? All their arguments go out the window when you consider the value of a Brisbane2 side and the fact they will NOT be bringing two q'land teams in.
 

clarency

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Well of course they're going to sell it. Why would they have two stadiums in the city. If you're going to play the "we were here first card", I'll just play the "NQLD has a team first, and are hoping for future representative matches hence the need for a new stadium," card.

You said you were taking away the Mackay Cutters when you included them in your representative region. If you aren't planning on using the Cutters as your feeder team, they are not your region and their population is not included in your catchment area. You can't have it both ways.

How many plays from Mackay are included in the Cowboys squad is entirely irrelevant. And the article is one that you posted on this forum, because apparently you thought it was something to brag about.

If you're expecting to find a full squad of NRL-quality players in such a small area, then you'll be an incredibly poor team.
 

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