Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

[Lockyer4President!]

Yeah thats true, I can't see a southern Brisbane team coming in soon either, but thats what the second brisbane team (a southern Brisbane team in combination with Ipswich and Logan) should be based on I think, if there is a need for one. If it does take a chunk out of the Titans and broncos, I would be more concerned about the Titans as it appears that the titans are slowly becoming a southern brisbane team. Broncos won't suffer to much out of the second brisbane nrl team, I don't think.

north coast or sunny coast won't have team for a long time, not until the sunny coast becomes one urban area like the gold coast, in which the residents of the sunny coast are fighting hard to avoid.

Unfortunately there is not much in "West brisbane" other than Ipswich and the gap, due to the mountains and that, you can't expand west like sydney, Brisbane's geography is north-south based.

you can't avoid cannibalising, and if that happens, there still will be plenty left for pre-existing QLD clubs.

The state government plan is to expand our west, taking the strain off the coastal areas. The majority of SEQ's new development will be taking place in what is basically West/South-West Brisbane. Assuming that we don't get a 4th QLD team for a decade or so I think that the timing will be pretty good to introduce a team taking in that area in the next tv deal after 2013.

In saying this, the NRL should not, and cannot exceed 18 teams in the next 20 years.

I was with you up until here. Of all the comps in Oz the NRL is the one most able to afford to expand past 18 teams. We've got the fastest growing areas in Australia covered as our heartland, NZ and the pacific are growing and there's always the possibility of bringing in a few imports from Europe.


Sunshine Coast and Adelaide will both have teams with 15 years imo. CQ/PNG are long shots and if we ever get to the stage that Vic will have a second team in the NRL (seriously can't see it happening unless we expand way past 20 teams, ie: lol) it'd be just a second Melbourne team like the A-league have done.

 

[Highway1]

The state government plan is to expand our west, taking the strain off the coastal areas. The majority of SEQ's new development will be taking place in what is basically West/South-West Brisbane. Assuming that we don't get a 4th QLD team for a decade or so I think that the timing will be pretty good to introduce a team taking in that area in the next tv deal after 2013.


I was with you up until here. Of all the comps in Oz the NRL is the one most able to afford to expand past 18 teams. We've got the fastest growing areas in Australia covered as our heartland, NZ and the pacific are growing and there's always the possibility of bringing in a few imports from Europe.


Sunshine Coast and Adelaide will both have teams with 15 years imo. CQ/PNG are long shots and if we ever get to the stage that Vic will have a second team in the NRL (seriously can't see it happening unless we expand way past 20 teams, ie: lol) it'd be just a second Melbourne team like the A-league have done.

If you insist on a West brisbane team, then thats cool, just don't expect it to be called "west Brisbane".

The south west corridor is just like Forest Lake, just more available space to live in SEQ, not a an answer to ease the strain on coastal areas.
Besides, there is no strain on "coastal areas", just not enough infrastructure to cope with the increasing number of people.

Sunshine Coast will have a hard time maintaining their team, because the infrastructure is not there and the fact its still divided into "distinct districts" like noosa, hinterland, maroochydore/caloundra and etc.

 

[Perth Red]

If Perth can have two AFL teams drawing 30-40K I don't see why a bigger city like Brisbane couldnt do the same with two NRL teams.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

If you insist on a West brisbane team, then thats cool, just don't expect it to be called "west Brisbane".

The south west corridor is just like Forest Lake, just more available space to live in SEQ, not a an answer to ease the strain on coastal areas.
Besides, there is no strain on "coastal areas", just not enough infrastructure to cope with the increasing number of people.

Sunshine Coast will have a hard time maintaining their team, because the infrastructure is not there and the fact its still divided into "distinct districts" like noosa, hinterland, maroochydore/caloundra and etc.

I'm not insisting on anything mate, just giving my 2c. Gallop has specifically called out West Bris/Ipswich as a home for a future team too, remember. A lot will change in the next 10+ years.

The SC isn't as divided as you might think. I spend a fair bit of time there and Caloundra & Maroochy are really going places (It's no surprise that Quad Park is situated between them). Noosa and the hinterland might want to take things slower but that doesn't change anything. A NRL club could really give the SC a strong identity.

 

[aarondoyle]

I'd love another Queensland team, but I don't think Rocky is the place for it.

Population
Rockhampton - 80,000ish
Townsville - 180,000ish
Source: wikipedia

Now that's a big difference between the two, and Cowboys crowds aren't spectacular enough to think a team could survive on less than half the immediate population.

That said places like CQ calling for a team only makes RL look better.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

How on earth has this bid been allowed to go on for so long? They have no chance of success. Absolutely none. It's time the NRL tell them as such and put it to an end.

Not true.

All you need is the son of an old league exec (Searle) PLUS an old league exec (Broughton) PLUS Gallop backing your bid all the way - even if it doesn't stack up. That's what happened with the Titans.

They had no name (Dolphins?), stadium, money etc. The CC Bears had the stadium, Singo, money, 2 regions etc. But Gallop delayed for 12 months to help the GC get its act together - then gave them the nod.

The Bears are still waiting after 11 years and can't even get a commitment for expansion from Gallop.

 

[aarondoyle]

Not true.

All you need is the son of an old league exec (Searle) PLUS an old league exec (Broughton) PLUS Gallop backing your bid all the way - even if it doesn't stack up. That's what happened with the Titans.

They had no name (Dolphins?), stadium, money etc. The CC Bears had the stadium, Singo, money, 2 regions etc. But Gallop delayed for 12 months to help the GC get its act together - then gave them the nod.

The Bears are still waiting after 11 years and can't even get a commitment for expansion from Gallop.

I'd love to see the Bears back in, but I think the NRL made the right choice for the Titans.

 

[Brutus]

Order of expansionary needs:

1. Perth: Bringing back the Reds is the ONLY way the NRL can be truly 'national', and will asist with the next TV rights deal. This should be without doubt the NRL's 17th license.

2. SEQ: Greater Brisbane needs a second team. While this won't add to the TV rights deal, it will give 2mil+ people access to another team, and has 0% chance of folding. This team should be called either "Brisbane" or "South Queensland" - labelling a geographic region WITHIN greater Brisbane is stupid, as it immediately alienates the majority of the region's population. Needs to be an entirely new entity, not a relocation job.

3. Wellington: Plenty of talent, and should be exploited. The only factors against it are TV rights and crowds. Would be ideally suited for the relocation of a team from Sydney.

4. Central Coast: more sentimental value than anything else. Does not help with rights, nor enrich talent, and only has a smallish population. But would be nice to have back nonetheless, and must in the form of the Bears.

In saying this, the NRL should not, and cannot exceed 18 teams in the next 20 years.



No other location in Australia or New Zealand, bar none, warrants an NRL team. This is because:

1. Sunshine coast: Too small/too close to Brisbane to not play out of Suncorp, and lacks in infrastructure. Plus, it's not even in a new area.

2. Central Queensland is joke, as Rockhampton, Gladstone and surrounding areas simply don't have the population to sustain a team, and never will (in terms of proportion).

3. RAdelaide: Maybe I'm biased as I'm Victorian (we hate South Australia) but..a team in Adelaide is absolutely senseless and a total waste of time. Population growth is stagnant, infrastructure is rubbish, and just doesn't have potential. It's a backwater with poor infrastructure and cannot even fully sustain two AFL teams (Port Power get tiny crowds compared to other AFL teams), despite the SAFL being very strong. League there is nothing, and an NRL bid there should also be nothing.

4. Geelong is just as stupid as PNG..if not more. In the wise words of Phil Gould: "No No No No NO!" Geelong is tiny, it's a hole and it's growth is minimal. The only reason why the Cats exist is because they started up in something like 1858. League in Victoria is a 'boutique' sport, it simply cannot sustain a second NRL team. Ever. Not even 100 years.

5. PNG :lol::lol:

In saying this, one-off games every year in these locations (maybe PNG don the track) would be good for the game.

I agree with everything you've said there except for maybe the 18 teams in 20 years bit.

It's about time the NRL came up with some sort of plan. Their lack of planning over the years has been a disgrace.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

Central QLD, Sunshine Coast and Wide Bay need to get together. Their combined population is close to 1mil..

 

[Highway1]

I'm not insisting on anything mate, just giving my 2c. Gallop has specifically called out West Bris/Ipswich as a home for a future team too, remember. A lot will change in the next 10+ years.

The SC isn't as divided as you might think. I spend a fair bit of time there and Caloundra & Maroochy are really going places (It's no surprise that Quad Park is situated between them). Noosa and the hinterland might want to take things slower but that doesn't change anything. A NRL club could really give the SC a strong identity.

Thanks for your 2c then. Is good that Gallop has a second Brisbane team in mind for the future, I just don't think it should be called or be based on West Brisbane (there's not even a suburb called West Brisbane, though west end is close). What won't change in ten years, is the fact that west Brisbane is still not a significantly distinct area. Its "South Brisbane plus Logan and possibly Ipswich" and/or standalone Ipswich for me.

It may not be as divided as I might think, but its still not a single urban area as such like the Gold Coast. When i go to towns like like Nambour Yandina and Maroochydore, those towns still has its own identity unlike towns in the gold coast which is really just another suburb of the Gold Coast. An nrl team might give the Sunny Coast an identity, but like I said before, it will take really hard work to get it together.

 

[Sea_Eagles_Rock]

taken CQ and Perth but it should be SEQ instead. The monopoly for Brisbane must be stopped.

 

[lockyrulz]

taken CQ and Perth but it should be SEQ instead. The monopoly for Brisbane must be stopped.

Yep. they should add in another 5 or 6 Brisbane teams so it can resemble the unprofitable sh*t fight that is the NRL in Sydney.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/cq-bid-for-nrl-team-gains-momentum-20100601-wrro.html

CQ bid for NRL team gains momentum
June 1, 2010 - 8:01AM

Premier Anna Bligh yesterday promised her government would build a 25,000-seat stadium in Rockhampton if the Central Queensland NRL bid gets the okay.

After meeting the bid team's bosses on Sunday night, Ms Bligh wanted to make it absolutely clear the government was committed to the region and that funding for a stadium, which could cost about $140 million, wouldn't be a stumbling block.

She will put in writing her government's stadium commitment.

The move means the bid's chief executive, Denis Keeffe, will go to the NRL armed with the backing of Queensland's most powerful politician.

Ms Bligh said the stadium would be similar to the Gold Coast's Skilled Park.

 

[Brutus]

No thanks. A CQ team would be ridiculous.

 

[Perth Red]

a 25,000 stadium would seat 1 in 3 of the town!

 

[gUt]

This may be rose-coloured glasses stuff but people drive a long way to watch live RL in Qld. Central Qld's population is going to continue to grow as we dig up the state and sell it to China. I think the CQ team would be a success.

 

[adamkungl]

There are so many better places than Rockhampton for an NRL side...

 

[user_nat]

There are so many better places than Rockhampton for an NRL side...

I agree. Like the Sunshine Coast for example.

I probably wouldn't support them, but would be cool anyhow.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/cq-bid-for-nrl-team-gains-momentum-20100601-wrro.html

You can smell it again.

David Gallop will come out and say "we must fish where the fish are" - THEN give CQ the nod THEN offer $10 million for PNG to relocate to Gosford.

 

[applesauce]

The CQ bid has said they will take a relocation. Lets face it if in the future the Sharks are about to go bust they will probably will try and move before they fold.