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World Cup defense fail

SilentOne

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Not suprised if SBW was one of the players, but Foran if he's one of them would really dissapoint me.
 

Rich102

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Three Kiwis players were singled out during the World Cup for misuse of sleeping pills and energy drinks in the week before the semifinal.

As the fall-out from the Kiwis' failed World Cup campaign continues, sources close to the team have told the Herald on Sunday that:

In a players-only meeting before the semifinal, three players were "named and shamed" over misuse of sleeping pills and energy drinks and told it must stop. The combination of the stimulant of the energy drinks and the sleeping pills can produce a sensation not unlike recreational ElephantJuice but does not fall foul of drug laws.

There were concerns about some individuals, with players confronted because of their appearance and asked if they had been drinking; some players looked 'dozy and half asleep' at the wrong time of the day.

The pills are believed to have been supplied by friends in Britain and may also have been sourced from family back in Australasia.


During the final, team management became concerned and coach Stephen Kearney convened a meeting of the whole group in London after the match, inquiring about the insipid display in the decider, lost 34-2 to the admittedly near-perfect Australians.

Several players were questioned about sleeping pill use which may have led to diminished performances.

The New Zealand Rugby League is investigating the issue as part of a review of the unsuccessful defence of the World Cup.

The link with energy drinks and pills came after the team had instigated an alcohol ban - driven by the players - before the quarter-final against Scotland. It was meant to ensure players were in peak condition for the final stages of the tournament but some players may have found alternatives to alcohol.

What is not clear is whether the drinks-pills use continued after the first meeting following the quarter-final, when the three players were 'named and shamed'.

Unconfirmed reports suggest that up to five Kiwis were questioned about the use of the substances in the meeting after the final but it is not known whether the original three were part of that five. However, it is known that team management noticed a lack of mental alertness in some players.

The Herald on Sunday understands every member of the Kiwis squad were given a sleeping pill for the flight to the Northern Hemisphere, while players were also offered pills during the first two nights in the United Kingdom to help adjust to jet lag and sleep patterns. Beyond that, medication was given out only occasionally to deal with genuine sleeping problems. Kiwis management now believe players sourced pills from friends in the UK, and may also have had some supplies from family before they left for England.

Concerns about the misuse began to surface when some team-mates noticed some players looking "dozy".

"They looked like they had a prolonged hangover," said one source close to the team, "and were confronted by their team-mates who thought they had been drinking all night."

The issue came to a head after the quarter-final when, in a exclusive meeting of the playing squad, three players were questioned in front of their team-mates. However, further suspicions were raised after the final, during which the Kiwis barely fired a shot.

"Some of the players looked half-asleep," said one observer. "The mental alertness just wasn't there; they looked like zombies, and their body language was all wrong. At one stage, one player [during the final] looked dazed - like he had been tackled or just made a tackle - but he hadn't even been hit."

In a tense meeting after the final, Kearney demanded to know what had happened. The NZRL review is set to conclude next month.

"I became aware of this issue after the tour," NZRL chief executive Phil Holden told the Herald on Sunday.

"I'm hugely concerned from a player welfare point of view - that is the primary issue. It's a misuse of prescription medicine and we are gravely concerned.

"We also need to find out how and why they are using it and need to find out how extensive it is. And we want to know how they are sourced - as from a Kiwis' point of view pills were only given out occasionally to players with sleeping problems.

"It is important for us to take a leadership position in this area. [In the future] we [will] need to put the appropriate measures in to safeguard the players and protect the organisation accordingly.

"We don't know what that will look like at this point in time but we need to make sure there is a robust education and support program in place to make sure that people understand what is going on."

- Herald on Sunday
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11192164
 

Rich102

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Sonny Bill Williams and Kieran Foran have been identified internally as two of several Kiwis players under investigation for allegedly taking sleeping pills and energy drinks at the 2013 Rugby League World Cup.

Sources within the team have said the experienced duo were two of the players singled out at a players-only meeting after the quarter-final against Scotland. There were at least five Kiwis players involved across the tournament and, in the meeting before the semifinal, some were "named and shamed" over use of sleeping pills and energy drinks and told it must stop. The Herald on Sunday is still confirming the identity of others.

Mixing sleeping pills with energy drinks is not illegal; the combination of the stimulant of the energy drinks and the sleeping pills can produce a sensation not unlike recreational ElephantJuice but does not fall foul of drug laws.

The Herald on Sunday reported last month that during the World Cup there were concerns about some individuals, with players confronted because of their appearance and asked if they had been drinking; some players looked 'dozy and half asleep' at the wrong time of the day.


Williams and Foran, who both played in the NRL 2013 Grand Final, were room-mates for part of the World Cup. They have been mainstays of the Kiwis and play with great heart - Williams was clearly the best player in the semifinal. Both are model trainers and Foran was outstanding when given the captain's armband at short notice in last year's Anzac test.

The circumstances of the tour are part of an ongoing review by the New Zealand Rugby League.

NZRL CEO Phil Holden, when asked about the identity of the players, said: "We are not going to be confirming or naming players. There is nothing to be gained and we can't. I have made it very clear that this is not a linear issue; it is very complex, privacy laws are involved, employment laws and contractual obligations between us, the players and the organisation."


"At the heart of it, it is not illegal and that makes it really difficult moving forward from there," added Holden. "When we get down to it, we are looking at what we can do around education, what we can do in terms of their contracts with us, what we can do in terms of testing for example, what we can do in terms of their obligations to us and reinforcing our code of conduct. It is not just a rugby league issue ... it is a societal challenge in many forms.

"We are the focal point right now but I am conscious it is a broader issue."

The NZRL has been in discussion with Drug Free Sport New Zealand to see what testing options are available in the future and have been working closely with the NRL.

"The NRL has been positive," says Holden. "They are looking at establishing a taskforce to look at their own policies and processes in this space so I think that is a positive outcome. We can't do much without their support [and] it might be included in an NRL code of conduct."

There are urine tests available to test for the presence of sleeping pills in the system but time is needed to process results, meaning detection would normally occur after the fact.

"I didn't think [rugby league] players were that dumb," said former Kiwis coach Graham Lowe in regard to the pills inquiry. "It can't be excused - it has brought the game into disrepute and didn't represent the Kiwis image that I knew. They [any players who have transgressed with sleeping pills and energy drinks] should have the book thrown at them.

"There can be no excuses. It brings everything undone; you can't afford to compromise the high standards, integrity and respect of the game."

Williams' manager Khoder Nasser and Kieran Foran did not respond to interview requests.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11198733
 

Lossy

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SBW and Foran named as two of the players abusing sleeping pills. Source NZ Herald. Supposedly two of the most 'professional' players in the team. What a disgrace.

Two players doing nothing illegal and performing well told to change their successful game day prep a couple of weeks out from the biggest international match in 4 years, culminating in a dud final result.

Not ruthless enough. Anyone but SK for coach please.
 
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Pugzley

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11198733

Sonny Bill Williams and Kieran Foran have been identified internally as two of several Kiwis players under investigation for allegedly taking sleeping pills and energy drinks at the 2013 Rugby League World Cup.
Sources within the team have said the experienced duo were two of the players singled out at a players-only meeting after the quarter-final against Scotland. There were at least five Kiwis players involved across the tournament and, in the meeting before the semifinal, some were "named and shamed" over use of sleeping pills and energy drinks and told it must stop. The Herald on Sunday is still confirming the identity of others.
Mixing sleeping pills with energy drinks is not illegal; the combination of the stimulant of the energy drinks and the sleeping pills can produce a sensation not unlike recreational ElephantJuice but does not fall foul of drug laws.
The Herald on Sunday reported last month that during the World Cup there were concerns about some individuals, with players confronted because of their appearance and asked if they had been drinking; some players looked 'dozy and half asleep' at the wrong time of the day.

Williams and Foran, who both played in the NRL 2013 Grand Final, were room-mates for part of the World Cup. They have been mainstays of the Kiwis and play with great heart - Williams was clearly the best player in the semifinal. Both are model trainers and Foran was outstanding when given the captain's armband at short notice in last year's Anzac test.
The circumstances of the tour are part of an ongoing review by the New Zealand Rugby League.

NZRL CEO Phil Holden, when asked about the identity of the players, said: "We are not going to be confirming or naming players. There is nothing to be gained and we can't. I have made it very clear that this is not a linear issue; it is very complex, privacy laws are involved, employment laws and contractual obligations between us, the players and the organisation."

"At the heart of it, it is not illegal and that makes it really difficult moving forward from there," added Holden. "When we get down to it, we are looking at what we can do around education, what we can do in terms of their contracts with us, what we can do in terms of testing for example, what we can do in terms of their obligations to us and reinforcing our code of conduct. It is not just a rugby league issue ... it is a societal challenge in many forms.

"We are the focal point right now but I am conscious it is a broader issue."
The NZRL has been in discussion with Drug Free Sport New Zealand to see what testing options are available in the future and have been working closely with the NRL.

"The NRL has been positive," says Holden. "They are looking at establishing a taskforce to look at their own policies and processes in this space so I think that is a positive outcome. We can't do much without their support [and] it might be included in an NRL code of conduct."

There are urine tests available to test for the presence of sleeping pills in the system but time is needed to process results, meaning detection would normally occur after the fact.

"I didn't think [rugby league] players were that dumb," said former Kiwis coach Graham Lowe in regard to the pills inquiry. "It can't be excused - it has brought the game into disrepute and didn't represent the Kiwis image that I knew. They [any players who have transgressed with sleeping pills and energy drinks] should have the book thrown at them.

"There can be no excuses. It brings everything undone; you can't afford to compromise the high standards, integrity and respect of the game."
Williams' manager Khoder Nasser and Kieran Foran did not respond to interview requests.

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Rich102

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Two players doing nothing illegal and performing well told to change their successful game day prep a couple of weeks out from the biggest international match in 4 years, culminating in a dud final result.

Not ruthless enough. Anyone but SK for coach please.

Are you suggesting they were told to take the pills?
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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This story is on par with picture of a player with their dick inside a vacuum cleaner; sure its dumb and unpleasant to imagine, but its not illegal and its not hurting anyone else.

As long as they werent buzzed/sleepy at training then its not really anyones business...
 

Lossy

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Are you suggesting they were told to take the pills?
Don't know.

Could have been some following the lead of others. Management already issued pills on the first couple of days, so tacit approval of pill use was there.

I think it likely that some tried what has worked for others but it didn't come off. Management came down on the practise at the pointy end of the comp due effects seen outside of game time and it blew up in their faces. Those playing well had their routine totally f**ked over.

Plenty of players have superstitions/hard and fast routines when it comes to prep. If something is working for them they will continue. If it's not they will stop. If they are sailing along OK you'll need to convince them there's an edge or instruct them otherwise.

SBW and Foran are highly consistent players. SBW leaves few stones unturned in order to perform. Foran seems similar, and Manly don't have an issue with pushing the envelope.

League is a team sport, but it's still about winning and not everyone is the same. Should have dealt with it afterwards, or selectively on those not performing.

Dumb timing.
 

Pierced Soul

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Is not illegal but its incredibly stupid if players have been doing it. We're talking about athletes trying to fine tune their prep, not act like 15 years Olds who have raided their parents medicine cupboard.

If a player was out tucking into fast food instead of following the teams diet you'd be questioning their commitment. Playing with sleeping pills and energy drinks is even stupider
 

JoeD

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The implication so far is that this is nothing to do with preparation and everything to do with getting high. The day before the final.
 

Lossy

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The implication so far is that this is nothing to do with preparation and everything to do with getting high. The day before the final.

If it's prep and was working for a player I'm sweet with it. If it's not prep and is as you are saying then it falls into PS's fish and chip category. I'd be very disappointed in the players involved in that case.

Pushing the envelope for success is one thing. Making your team push shit uphill is another.
 
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ek999

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Doesn't the combo give an ecstasy like high? I remember there has been other reports on it over the last couple of years. I don't think it has anything to do with preparing for a match
 

mean_maori_mean

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I heard that SBW was actually a bad influence.
Teaching players to be demanding etc and how to put yourself onto a pedestal
 
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