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World Cup embarrassment

deal.with.it

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My point has always been that it's up to the national governing body to make selections that are best for their nation.

You can't make a blanket rule ie x amount of domestic players.

But nations like USA have made big steps this world cup. And if allbof their domesic WC players pick up pro contracts, they'll be better come 2021, WC9s in 2019 and any other test matches usa decides to play.
 

Pommy

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Interesting article from faceache

Pacific Rugby Union is in dire straits - Time for League to strike

The recent Tonga v Samoa Rugby League World Cup clash showed off our game to the world.

The colour, the passion, the pre-match ceremonies and the intensity of the game itself all gave our sport some great and very positive PR.

But its positive presentation of our sport could have potentially very good consequences in the Pacific Islands themselves, if we, as a sport, are astute.

Why? Well, Pacific Islands rugby union is in a hell of a mess.

Something like 15% of rugby union professionals are of Pacific Islands origin, yet their home unions are broke.

Many of the best Pacific Islanders, whether by heritage or birth, are playing for European countries.

Almost every European RU club team has a Pacific Islander in its ranks, as do many of the national sides.

But the Samoa Rugby Union is bankrupt. England players are reportedly donating part of their match fees to their Samoan opponents for the forthcoming Test Match at Twickenham between the nations.

Samoa will receive only one percent of the gate receipts from Twickenham, and less than that when they face Scotland at Murrayfield soon afterwards.

Hosting the All Blacks for a Test in Samoa made a loss of around £200,000. French academies are operating in Fiji to scoop up players and send them across the globe.

Much of the money earned by Pacific Islands rugby union players is sent home to support communities.

They are placed in an unfair double bind, where, in order to help their families and communities back home, they can no longer represent those communities on the international stage.

Instead, they become rugby mercenaries, turning out for European nations in return for dollars.

European club sides force them to sign deals where they can only play internationals if they are picked for European countries.

High suicide rates and mental health issues amongst Pacific Island communities are not likely to be helped by a relationship with their favoured sport which is so exploitative.

Rugby league can offer step into this exploitation and offer a much more positive experience to Pacific people, from all the islands where rugby is popular.

The Tonga v Samoa game gave Pacific communities a sense of how league can value their culture, and appreciate just what it offers to our game.

What it takes is a little imagination, and an ability to look beyond your own doorstep for a sustained period of time.

We have to see ourselves as liberators of Pacific talent – freeing it from exploitation and restriction, and honing into athletes who can both represent and give back to their communities.

Maybe some of the proposed $50 million from that Kangaroos v All Blacks circus act game that supposed to be happening in 2019 could be used to develop the Pacific.

If we keep failing to take opportunities like this, then we deserve to be seen as second-rate by the world outside of Australia’s eastern seaboard.

Follow the writer: Zack Wilson
Source: Everything Rugby League
 

siv

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There seems to be a ongoing assumption that to watch a top level RL game live in a halfway line seat its $60-70 for non finals matches

Until common sense eventuates that sees this return to prices in line with going to the movies $25-30

Crowds will continue to be low

RL prced me out of going to SOO or NRL finals. Normal matches are heading in the same direction.

RLWC has got caught up in this im afaid

Many people dont take families to the movies over cost - and wait for the DVD and watch it at home

RL has become a TV product

Only one game on game day means TV product equals match day experience
 

deluded pom?

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The organisers of the 2013 WC had the right idea. Many tickets, even for the knockout games were cheap meaning bumper crowds at the majority of matches. IIRC I only paid about 15 quid at Wembley and had Club Wembley seats. A lot of tickets were a tenner (£) a go.
 

Billythekid

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There seems to be a ongoing assumption that to watch a top level RL game live in a halfway line seat its $60-70 for non finals matches

Until common sense eventuates that sees this return to prices in line with going to the movies $25-30

Crowds will continue to be low

RL prced me out of going to SOO or NRL finals. Normal matches are heading in the same direction.

RLWC has got caught up in this im afaid

Many people dont take families to the movies over cost - and wait for the DVD and watch it at home

RL has become a TV product

Only one game on game day means TV product equals match day experience

Spot on.
 

Krzzystuff

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The RLWC has been good only one real blow out

But I put that down to the qualifying process

Qualifiers need to be played in the year before the RLWC with a repocharge series

And having quarter finalists from 4 years ago has failed on two fronts

Its not a true indication of current form

And heritage players retire which change the dynamics significantly
Agree.
All semifinalists can qualify automatically and everyone else needs to go through qualifications. For a 14 (soon to be 16) team competition giving away 8 spots 4 years in advance is a bit ridiculous.
 

titoelcolombiano

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Interesting article from faceache

Pacific Rugby Union is in dire straits - Time for League to strike

The recent Tonga v Samoa Rugby League World Cup clash showed off our game to the world.

The colour, the passion, the pre-match ceremonies and the intensity of the game itself all gave our sport some great and very positive PR.

But its positive presentation of our sport could have potentially very good consequences in the Pacific Islands themselves, if we, as a sport, are astute.

Why? Well, Pacific Islands rugby union is in a hell of a mess.

Something like 15% of rugby union professionals are of Pacific Islands origin, yet their home unions are broke.

Many of the best Pacific Islanders, whether by heritage or birth, are playing for European countries.

Almost every European RU club team has a Pacific Islander in its ranks, as do many of the national sides.

But the Samoa Rugby Union is bankrupt. England players are reportedly donating part of their match fees to their Samoan opponents for the forthcoming Test Match at Twickenham between the nations.

Samoa will receive only one percent of the gate receipts from Twickenham, and less than that when they face Scotland at Murrayfield soon afterwards.

Hosting the All Blacks for a Test in Samoa made a loss of around £200,000. French academies are operating in Fiji to scoop up players and send them across the globe.

Much of the money earned by Pacific Islands rugby union players is sent home to support communities.

They are placed in an unfair double bind, where, in order to help their families and communities back home, they can no longer represent those communities on the international stage.

Instead, they become rugby mercenaries, turning out for European nations in return for dollars.

European club sides force them to sign deals where they can only play internationals if they are picked for European countries.

High suicide rates and mental health issues amongst Pacific Island communities are not likely to be helped by a relationship with their favoured sport which is so exploitative.

Rugby league can offer step into this exploitation and offer a much more positive experience to Pacific people, from all the islands where rugby is popular.

The Tonga v Samoa game gave Pacific communities a sense of how league can value their culture, and appreciate just what it offers to our game.

What it takes is a little imagination, and an ability to look beyond your own doorstep for a sustained period of time.

We have to see ourselves as liberators of Pacific talent – freeing it from exploitation and restriction, and honing into athletes who can both represent and give back to their communities.

Maybe some of the proposed $50 million from that Kangaroos v All Blacks circus act game that supposed to be happening in 2019 could be used to develop the Pacific.

If we keep failing to take opportunities like this, then we deserve to be seen as second-rate by the world outside of Australia’s eastern seaboard.

Follow the writer: Zack Wilson
Source: Everything Rugby League

Polynesian players are much more suited to Rugby League than Union, it is much less structured and they can play off-the-cuff more which suites their playing style. I wouldn't be surprised if when league finally arrives (it has been really been present in Pacific nations) things will shift towards league in a big way.

An annual Pacific Cup with full-strength (or as close to) squads is a must for us as a legacy of this World Cup.
 
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Perth Red

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Give nearly every Pi player in World Cup is playing league outside of the pi's I'm not sure that article has much of a point!
 

RedVee

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That article assumes that the various RL’s won’t exploit the PIs like RU does. I’m hoping he is correct but I have my doubts.

Though on the positive side Mal is quoted in today’s SMH saying he wants to take games to the Islands.
 

Perth Red

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He might but the rlpa and nrl have other ideas, like not playing international rugby league! I dont get the player burn out thing.
If Australia were to do a PI tour next year they could make it optional for the origin/star players to put their hands up or decide to have a rest, no negative feelings if they decide to rest. There are plenty of other players who would die for the opportunity to get a kangaroo cap and tour Fiji, Samoa, Tonga and png.
 

Stallion

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Embarrassment example: venue for Tonga v NZ was not big enough! Id suggest if Tonga play England that Eden Park must be used and it will be full!
 

Stallion

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Polynesian players are much more suited to Rugby League than Union, it is much less structured and they can play off-the-cuff more which suites their playing style. I wouldn't be surprised if when league finally arrives (it has been really been present in Pacific nations) things will shift towards league in a big way.

An annual Pacific Cup with full-strength (or as close to) squads is a must for us as a legacy of this World Cup.

Long overdue. Rugby league is a far more inclusive game to play for every player. End of story. The game has been held back by various means and we won't go into that. Think we are getting the idea nowadays of what's been going on.
 
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Springs09

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The organisers of the 2013 WC had the right idea. Many tickets, even for the knockout games were cheap meaning bumper crowds at the majority of matches. IIRC I only paid about 15 quid at Wembley and had Club Wembley seats. A lot of tickets were a tenner (£) a go.

A week in the north of England including a hotel, train travel and three games was cheaper than a weekend in Melbourne with one game for me.
 

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