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Would Ravs get a job anywhere else in the NRL ?

AliN

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yea good things take time... trouble is the NRL competition doesn't wait.
 

mean_maori_mean

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Thierry Henry said:
He's better than Fien and Hohaia

Hohaia better - much more a complete players shown by his stints in centre, hooker, stand-off, fullback aswell as halfback.

Rovelli just jogs around the paddock with no intent to create and he is very rarerly going to look to break the line.
Hohaia proven he can break the line - its one of the most important things for a hb to attack the line - to put the oppositoin in two minds.
Nobody thinks rovelli gona break the line.

Lance should be half-back.
 

Rich102

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I think Lance's best position is No6. But the Coach just doesn't seem to see it that way.
(However after his selection shambles last week I think I can afford a patronising smile).
 

Manu Vatuvei

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mean_maori_mean said:
Hohaia better - much more a complete players shown by his stints in centre, hooker, stand-off, fullback aswell as halfback.

Rovelli just jogs around the paddock with no intent to create and he is very rarerly going to look to break the line.
Hohaia proven he can break the line - its one of the most important things for a hb to attack the line - to put the oppositoin in two minds.
Nobody thinks rovelli gona break the line.

Lance should be half-back.

I'm well aware that you're a member of his fan club.

imo he is utterly dreadful either at 6 or 7, for much the same reason as Fien- they both have a running game and that's it.
 

-Dr.J-

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I've seen Lance at 6 and he ain't that great. I think that maybe the years will have changed that and he could be given a go? He's a solid runner now, but still zippy and more inclined to run than a halfback which is the symptoms of todays five eighth.

Really though, why waste our time talking about it when it's never going to happen. Also I think there's too much of an inclination amongst Warrior fans to go swapping everyone to everywhere convinced it's a great idea, when the reality is it just makes things worse.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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I don't think Lance has ever displayed any playmaking or organising skills at all. Indeed I think he's one of the most ponderous kickers, passers, and decision makers I have ever seen in the 6 or 7.

I realise that's just an opinion, and not one shared by everyone, but that's what I've seen.
 

mean_maori_mean

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Thierry Henry said:
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I don't think Lance has ever displayed any playmaking or organising skills at all. Indeed I think he's one of the most ponderous kickers, passers, and decision makers I have ever seen in the 6 or 7.

I realise that's just an opinion, and not one shared by everyone, but that's what I've seen.

Definately just an opinion because people who are in the know and former great coaches and players back him.
Stacey Jones has backed him numerous times saying he should be the person who should take over his role at both warriors and kiwis.
We'll we should give him a go at least before he signs with another club - so we know what we are losing.
 

Dr Crane

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Thierry Henry said:
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I don't think Lance has ever displayed any playmaking or organising skills at all. Indeed I think he's one of the most ponderous kickers, passers, and decision makers I have ever seen in the 6 or 7.

I realise that's just an opinion, and not one shared by everyone, but that's what I've seen.

f**king oath


It must be a cold day in Newcastle, because i agree with TH.
 

mean_maori_mean

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Victor Meldrew said:
He's passable, right now.

I wouldn't go dropping him though, imagine if we dropped every halfback that went through a bad spell.

Well all we've really had is Stacey for like 12 years.
 

Dr Crane

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mean_maori_mean said:
Well all we've really had is Stacey for like 12 years.

Imagine if we jumped to drop him after his first less than stellar spell.

He wouldn't be the legend he is now, thats for sure.
 

ozbash

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when did the WGHB not have a stellar spell ?

refresh my memory if you will please ?

i like lance at hooker and i do think he is a quick thinker, you gotta be at dummy half.
 

Manu Vatuvei

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Stacey was never a great organiser either, he didn't throw great cut out passes or have the longest or best kicking game

Stacey's all-round game at halfback actually came to the fore in the latter stages of 2003 imo, and also in the 2005 and 2006 tri-nations, when he was actually probably a little past his best and his injuries had slowed him down.

At his "best" (arguably), he was mostly an extremely fast, agile and strong ball runner who lacked a little in the other areas. As he has become more of an elder statesman in the game the other areas of his game have improved (well, they're probably not improving anymore), but I think his reputation has gone a little bit ahead of the reality. Stacey, on the whole, was not a classic organising halfback.
 

ozbash

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Stacey Jones

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Stacey Jones ONZM (born May 7, 1976 in Auckland, New Zealand) is a rugby league player for Les Catalans Dragons in the European Super League competition. He usually plays halfback, but has briefly played five-eighth during his distinguished career, which includes 41 Tests for New Zealand (1995-2006).
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Playing career

He was born in Auckland, New Zealand, grandson to New Zealand rugby league great Maunga Emery. He made his first grade debut in 1995 against the Parramatta Eels for the then Auckland Warriors in the year of their inception to what is now the National Rugby League (NRL). He started as five-eighth as the Warriors had Penrith great Greg Alexander as halfback, but he soon outshone his counterpart and forced Alexander into the Fullback role. He stuck with the club through turbulent times when not only did the team struggle on the field - not being able to make the NRL's finals series - but also off the field where twice the club liquidated, to be eventually bought by current owner Eric Watson.
It was under the new management where he first became club captain - in 2001 co-captaining with Kevin Campion - and although already considered in the top reaches of halfbacks in the NRL, he now started to show he was on equal par with the games' best halfbacks at the time through a 3 year period in which he led the Warriors to 3 successive finals appearances. He came to a climax in 2002 when the club not only won the minor premiership, but they reached the grand final. He played in a losing side that evening but scored a great try in which he beat 3 Roosters defenders from 30 metres out to go over from dummy half.
In his career, he has also represented his country at two World Cups (1996 and 2000), three Tri Nations series (1999, 2005, 2006), and has played 41 games for the New Zealand Kiwis. He retired from the national team in 2004 while having a disappointing year at club level. However on October 15 2005 Stacey ended 2 years of international retirement, answering an SOS from Kiwis coach Brian McLennan intending only to play the Australasian section of the Tri Nations series. He then went on to play the rest of their round robin matches against Great Britain in England. Stacey Jones was an integral part of the New Zealand Tri Nations campaign. In the first match, he guided the Kiwis to their first win in Sydney in 50 years before being part of their narrow loss to Australia in Auckland. He set up 4 tries in the first match in England which the Kiwis won by 38-12. He then missed the fourth Kiwi game, instead returning to New Zealand to be with his wife for the birth of their son. In the 2005 Rugby League Tri Nations Final, he continually kicked high punts("bombs") aimed at the Australian wingers that set up three tries in the Kiwis 24-0 victory over Australia. Australia had not lost a series in 27 years.
Jones is widely regarded as the best New Zealand player of his generation. This reputation was strengthened in 2002 when he won the Golden Boot - the award given to the player who the rugby league press considered to have been the best international player for that year. In New Zealand the video game for rugby league is named Stacey Jones' Rugby League after him.
Stacey Jones is the first and only life member of the New Zealand Warriors.
In April 2005 Stacey Jones announced he was leaving the Warriors, then his only professional club, for which he holds the records for most appearnces (238 NRL games) and most tries (75), to join the new French addition to the Super League for the 2006 season Les Catalans Dragons. In doing so he became the last foundation member of the Warriors to leave the club.
Jones's vision and ability to control the game when his team was on attack earned him the sobriquet "the little general", a reference also to his small stature in comparison to that of most rugby league players. Jones was often able to find players with a high bombing kick at either sides of the field or place a sneaky through ball for oncoming players to pounce on.
Jones is well respected by both fans and players as a humble hard working leader.
After the 2006 Rugby League Tri-Nations Final it was announced that Jones was retiring from international football.

Awards and Achievements
  • Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit for services to Rugby League
  • Rugby League Players’ Association – Best Back Award (2005)
  • New Zealand Warriors Life Membership (2005)
  • New Zealand Warriors Special Award for 200 NRL games (2004)
  • New Zealand Warriors Special Award for 100 NRL games (1999)
  • Golden Boot Award – World’s Best Rugby League Player of the Year (2002)
  • Halberg Award finalist Sportsman of the Year
  • New Zealand Rugby League Player of the Year (2002, 2001, 1999)
  • New Zealand Rugby League Annual Player of the Year (2002, 1999, 1997)
  • New Zealand Warriors Player of the Year (1997)
  • New Zealand Warriors Back of the Year (1999)
  • New Zealand Warriors Development Player of the Year (1995)
  • New Zealand Rugby League Promising Player of the Year (1995)
  • New Zealand Warriors Supporters’ Player of the Year (1999)
  • Prime TV Viewers, Choice Award (2001)
  • New Zealand Rugby League Personality of the Year (2002)
  • 1995 Rugby League World Cup Semi-finalists
  • 1996 Great Britain Tour of New Zealand Series Winner
  • 1997 Rugby League World Club Challenge Semi-finalists
  • 1998 New Zealand Tour of Great Britain Series Winner
    • 1998 New Zealand Tour of Great Britain Player of the Series
  • 1999 Rugby League Tri-Nations
  • 2000 Rugby League World Cup Finalists (Silver)
  • 2002 National Rugby League Minor Premiers
  • 2002 National Rugby League Grand Finalists
  • 2002 New Zealand Tour of Great Britain Series Draw
    • 2002 New Zealand Tour of Great Britain Player of the Series
  • 2003 National Rugby League Semi-finalists
  • 2005 Rugby League Tri-Nations Champions
 

Rovelli

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If Grant Rovelli was "the next best thing", I can 100% guarantee you that he would not be a Warrior.

He's a solid young player...we have game-breakers in the team, we just need someone with good league IQ who can kick for position etc.
 

Skram

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ozbash said:
when did the WGHB not have a stellar spell ?

refresh my memory if you will please ?

04 season he hit a poor patch of form mid season, then Anderson tried the Hohaia/Stacey switch with Jones in 6 to spark something. I remember he was very lacklustre in that time, but who can blame him, the whole team had that feeling. Actually, why even bring '04 up, no, never happened :sarcasm: WGHB has always had a stellar spell.

Captain Charisma said:
Yeah, I remember Lance played some great football at hooker in the 2005 Tri Nations.

He only played around half a game, he injured his leg midway through and never returned for the rest of the series. That said he was having a blinder prior to the injury.
 

ozbash

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04 season he hit a poor patch of form mid season, then Anderson tried the Hohaia/Stacey switch with Jones in 6 to spark something. I remember he was very lacklustre in that time, but who can blame him, the whole team had that feeling. Actually, why even bring '04 up, no, never happened WGHB has always had a stellar spell.

staceys performance in his latter years with the warriors reflected the sh*t going on from within the club. it affected him probably more than others.

take him away - kiwis - le catts- he was back to his normal best in the world and i would like anybody, anywhere to tell me who is currently playing that is better than Le Petit General...

from the moment he entered the club he has been the best player we have ever had and i doubt i will ever see a better player from nz in my lifetime.
 

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