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thorson1987

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McMahon giving it another crack.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/25/sports/football/vince-mcmahon-xfl.html

Vince McMahon Says He Will Revive the X.F.L., With a Very Different Look
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Vince McMahon, the chairman and chief executive of World Wrestling Entertainment, will relaunch the X.F.L.JESSE DITTMAR FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES
By KEVIN DRAPER
January 25, 2018

Television ratings for the N.F.L. have fallen 17 percent over the past two seasons. The league is embroiled in a continuing crisis over concussions, and youth participation rates are falling.

All of this suggests a difficult future for the sport, yet the N.F.L.’s most notorious competitor, Vince McMahon’s X.F.L., has a comeback in the works.

McMahon, the chairman and chief executive of World Wrestling Entertainment, announced on Thursday that he would take a second crack at professional football, with play scheduled to start in early 2020.

McMahon first tried to reimagine pro football 17 years ago. The old X.F.L. was a joint venture between the World Wrestling Federation (W.W.E.’s former name) and NBC, which had lost rights to broadcast N.F.L. games.

Violence was amped up: An opening scramble replaced the coin toss and fair catches were banned. So was the sex appeal, with cheerleaders who were even more scantily clad than the ones in the N.F.L., and advertising that included innuendo about the cheerleaders.

“Where is my smash-mouth, wide-open football?” McMahon asked rhetorically at the news conference announcing plans for the original X.F.L. “This will not be a league for pantywaists and sissies.”

After the league drew huge television ratings its first week, disorganization plagued the operation, and fans became disenchanted by the confusing, sloppy brand of football played by inferior players. The league collapsed after just one season, with NBC and the W.W.F. losing tens of millions of dollars. Four years later NBC paid $3 billion to get back into the N.F.L.

Now McMahon says he wants to reimagine the game. “Not reinvent,” he said in an interview last week. “It’s football. But you want to reimagine it.”

Other than the name, this version will have little in common with the old X.F.L., he said.

There will be no cheerleaders, McMahon said. Players with criminal records will not be welcome. Political statements, such as kneeling during the national anthem, will be prohibited.

President Trump, who has denounced N.F.L. players’ protesting racial injustice by refusing to stand during the anthem, has long been involved with the McMahons and W.W.E. Linda McMahon, Vince’s wife, was appointed by Trump to run the Small Business Administration.

Trump has hosted wrestling events at his properties and has been involved in the showmanship, once shaving McMahon’s head in the middle of a ring. Trump also helped found an alternative professional league in the 1980s, owning the New Jersey Generals of the short-lived United States Football League.

But McMahon said that he had not consulted with Trump about the X.F.L., and that the ban on politics during games would extend to the president’s positions.

“Democrat, Republican, Independent, I don’t care, and no one should,” said McMahon. “We come to the field not to state what I am pro or against, that’s not why we’re there. We are there to play football.”

This X.F.L. also won’t be affiliated with wrestling, at least not officially. McMahon has formed Alpha Entertainment to run the league with completely separate management. He recently sold off about $100 million in W.W.E. stock to fund it.

“I am very committed to this, and it’s going to take more than $100 million to do this league,” he said.

McMahon did not estimate further what amount of capital — including media rights fees, ticket sales and sponsorships — would be required to start the league. He said that he was not actively seeking other investors and that the league was already fully funded.

As for other details of the league, only the outline is currently visible. Eight teams — all owned by McMahon’s company — will compete in a 10-game regular season, likely on Sunday afternoons, he said. Four teams will make the playoffs, setting up semifinals and a championship game.

Active rosters will consist of 40 players, McMahon said, promising to pay them enough to play full time and to offer bonuses for wins. McMahon suggested that games would be much shorter and the rules simpler.

But he could not say where the teams would play, or specifically what media outlets might show the games.

McMahon’s plan has a decent shot at succeeding, said David Carter, a professor who runs the University of Southern California’s Sports Business Institute.

“The landscape for sports and entertainment has changed dramatically, I think you could argue, in McMahon’s favor,” Carter said, as digital media companies now compete to stream sports and young people become turned off by the length of games. “I think part of the failure of the X.F.L. the first time around is it didn’t live up to unreasonably lofty expectations, and they lost the expectations game.”

The original X.F.L. was announced just a year before its debut, and McMahon said he deliberately allowed two years between Thursday’s announcement and the league’s restart in 2020, because he believes the league will need more time to secure deals for stadiums and media rights.

He also said that he would consult with football experts to design rules that might make the game safer, a promise that duplicates an effort by the N.F.L.

The old X.F.L. needed to be popular enough to justify broadcasts on NBC, but the advent of companies that stream sports digitally means the X.F.L. might find a deal more suited to its size.

There are “so many more opportunities that were never there before,” said McMahon.

McMahon said he would not run the league day to day or be its public face. He was not supposed to be the public face of the old X.F.L., either. But on opening night, at Sam Boyd Stadium in Las Vegas, he was screaming to the crowd and television audience: “This. Is. The. X.F.L.!”

“Forget what we did with the X.F.L.,” McMahon said, laughing. “That was a long time ago.”



 

Firey_Dragon

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The real question on everyones minds is, is He Hate Me coming out of retirement?

With no gimmicks, 8 teams with obviously sub-par talent, it's hard to imagine this thing being any more successful than the last one. It will be at best, college level football without the tribalism that comes along with it.
 

shiznit

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If he’s that hell bent on burning a 100M he really should have found a charity to give it to...

Apparently the first rule implemented will be that Roman Reigns has to win the next 35 super-duper-bowls...
 

beave

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It will fail again.

I don’t know why he’s bothering tbh. The NFL is a juggernaut, good luck competing with it.
 

DC_fan

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His thought is if Trump can become president, then why can’t I get the XFL up and running around again. I bet you he has in players contracts that they must stand during the national anthem.
 

thorson1987

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It will fail again.

I don’t know why he’s bothering tbh. The NFL is a juggernaut, good luck competing with it.

If he was smart he would start it in the spring.

No chance if he tries to go directly against the NFL
 
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Rule 1: Definition of a catch.

The ball is controlled and retained without touching the ground.

Get the f**k outta here with your “bobble” shit.
 

nick87

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I think there is room for another league, especially if it’s in nfl off season

If the XFL dumps the silly gimmicks etc and just plays proper, real football with some minor rule changes (fix the catch and fumble out the end zone rule, maybe abolish ep/punting and make it a full 4 down game) it can have a place in the landscape.

It’s got to be real football though. You can’t change the thing so much that it isn’t the same game
 

Shorty

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I'd watch this for the curiosity factor.
To be fair it's probably a good time to try and do something like this (NFL has had a lot of controversy in past few years).
 

Eelementary

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I think, if run properly, this new XFL could do quite well.

It suffered last time from mismanagement and poor leadership.

McMahon has many flaws, but he's no idiot, and he's a hell of a promoter.
 

zombie jesus

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"Make Football Great Again".
Sign up Richie Incognito.
Military parade before each game.
Make sure those non-whiteys know their place.
Ensure it doesn't clash with the NASCAR season.
You're all set.
 

Dogs Of War

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$100mil is not a lot when you look at it. 40 players per team. 8 teams. You would need to get players at around $50-100K so you can get a few fringe NFL players in at 500k-1mil (Like Colin Kap etc). Thats assuming you would use all that money in one season, and that $100mil is only to be used on players for one season.

There is a market for it. Just depends if they can really make it work. As noted the quality of player will be low.
 

Firey_Dragon

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I think, if run properly, this new XFL could do quite well.

It suffered last time from mismanagement and poor leadership.

McMahon has many flaws, but he's no idiot, and he's a hell of a promoter.
Was a hell of a promoter. WWE numbers have been dropping off massively over the last decade.

The only real hope this has is picking cities that don't have NFL teams and strong college followings. Realistically, it poses a far greater risk to something like the CFL and if the Arena Football League wasn't already dead, that too.

With that said it obviously does come at an interesting time politically which may get a lot more viewership than it deserves. How you sustain that, with a budget that could only support a single season at best with $100-400k salaries, I have no idea. It hasn't got off to a great start with how budget all of their branding and launch material has been. They need some massive names on teams in the first year, yet their player budget would be less than what CFL teams are willing to pay Manziel for a season. Funnily enough, the rule that they won't hire anyone with a criminal record will probably be its undoing.
 

Valheru

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Vince is already using wrestling promotion 101 to promote the league. Tell the audience you stand for and do the complete opposite.

He says it won't be about politics but he will make players stand for the anthem and not allow anyone with a criminal record to play, both of which are political statements/positions.

Anyways, I think it will be more successful than last time but it won't threaten the NFL ( I don't think that is the intent anyways) and if nothing else, hopefully it gives us some American Football to watch in our autumn time.

Will be interesting to see where he puts the 8 franchises... there will definitely be a NY one. San Diego and Oakland must be options too. I would also look at places that have been wanting a NFL team for a while, Oklahoma and San Antonia come to mind.
 

Shorty

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$100mil is not a lot when you look at it. 40 players per team. 8 teams. You would need to get players at around $50-100K so you can get a few fringe NFL players in at 500k-1mil (Like Colin Kap etc). Thats assuming you would use all that money in one season, and that $100mil is only to be used on players for one season.

There is a market for it. Just depends if they can really make it work. As noted the quality of player will be low.
Don't reckon they'd go Kap because that's why a lot of redneck NFL fans have been turned off, from that kneeling stuff.
I heard talks of Tebow, think that would work.
Did think Manziel but he's had too many law issues.
 

Haffa

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I doubt Tebow would bother. He'd make more playing for the Mets and they also pretty much allow him to continue his cushy gig with the SEC Network while playing.
 

Dogs Of War

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Don't reckon they'd go Kap because that's why a lot of redneck NFL fans have been turned off, from that kneeling stuff.
I heard talks of Tebow, think that would work.
Did think Manziel but he's had too many law issues.

Thing is you will need some names to make it work who have had some credible NFL career. And QB's who can play are the most likely to be worth the cash. Especially dual threat ones when XFL defenses won't be anything like NFL ones.
 
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