Y.N.W.A. Thread (Liverpool fans thread) II

[Jack_Napier]

God I miss Xabi!!! Seriously one of my favourite LFC players.

 

[Lemon Squash]

Good win this morning, but then I suppose beating Newcastle at home isn't really anything to crow about.

What is everyones thoughts on Sterling? for mine the longer his negotitations drag out the more likely it is that he will be leaving.

If you had of told me 12 months ago I would of been absolutely gutted as I thought he was arguably the best Teenager in Europe. However 12 months on has he really lifted his game at all?

Don't get me wrong he is still very very young and is abundantly talented but I really thought this year he would step up and become our go to man and I don't think he has.

What are his strong points? He is lightning, has great feet and he can beat a man which are obviously great attacking qualitites but generally his end product is poor (crossing, shooting, decision making).

This morning was a great example of his rocks and diamonds form.. firstly he scores a cracking goal by beating his man, then using some trickery to create himself some space and then showing deft touch to finish. Then in the same morning his gerneral crossing into the box was atrocious, not to mention how he somehow managed to miss an open net!

Overall I will still be disapointed if he was to leave (especially if its to another EPL club!) but I don't think its the be all and end all. I think Ibe is a pretty similar style of player who could be just as good if we put the time in with him.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Apparently Milner to LFC is all but wrapped up. Not sure if he is what we need to be honest.

 

[Foz]

Anyone notice Gerrard started in place of Joe Allen.
Result-we win.
Ok Gerrard missed the penalty but heads home the winner.Allen no hope of doing that.
Brendan still has him playing in the wrong spot but it won't change with only 3 Gerrard games to go.If he gets picked that is.
Good to see Lambert start too.
Thought Lambert was our plan B.
Brendan must have an alphabet problem because he tried Borini and Balottelli before Rick.
Not to mention Sterling who continues to miss tap ins.
We self destructed as far as top 4 went but on the bright side we will get a new striker in the transfer window.Thats only the minimum.theres a guy from Dortmund I'd love to have.
I suppose I'm wishing too much.

 

[Captain Apollo]

Good win this morning, but then I suppose beating Newcastle at home isn't really anything to crow about.

What is everyones thoughts on Sterling? for mine the longer his negotitations drag out the more likely it is that he will be leaving.

If you had of told me 12 months ago I would of been absolutely gutted as I thought he was arguably the best Teenager in Europe. However 12 months on has he really lifted his game at all?

Don't get me wrong he is still very very young and is abundantly talented but I really thought this year he would step up and become our go to man and I don't think he has.

What are his strong points? He is lightning, has great feet and he can beat a man which are obviously great attacking qualitites but generally his end product is poor (crossing, shooting, decision making).

This morning was a great example of his rocks and diamonds form.. firstly he scores a cracking goal by beating his man, then using some trickery to create himself some space and then showing deft touch to finish. Then in the same morning his gerneral crossing into the box was atrocious, not to mention how he somehow managed to miss an open net!

Overall I will still be disapointed if he was to leave (especially if its to another EPL club!) but I don't think its the be all and end all. I think Ibe is a pretty similar style of player who could be just as good if we put the time in with him.

If Sterling is stupid he will leave Liverpool. Few clubs would use him as a starter as he is very one dimensional at times as he relies on his pace in place of skill to create chances. Granted his is very quick, but it makes it easy to work out what he is going to do.

He is a starter at Liverpool but if he goes to somewhere like Real Madrid, Barcelona (for example) can anyone see him being a starter there? He does not have the technique you would expect for a starter to play on the wing, and his shooting is so poor you would not use him as a striker.

Quite frankly he is being dumb in my opinion. If he leaves and winds up as a bench player, he will not develop, and that will effect the next contract he goes for.

 

[saint.nick]

Chelsea were there for the taking last night. Shame we have useless pricks like Raheem who don't know how to shoot or execute anything...

 

[Foz]

I thought we had a dig last night but I don't get the Rodgers replacements.
We had to win that game to make the top 4 didn't we?
Why do you replace Gerrard with Lucas who hasn't scored in a hundred years?
Jordan Ibe for llana was a bit confusing too.
No problem with Lambert coming off but we should've had someone up helping the debutant.
I got the impression Rodgers was happy to take the point.

 

[thorson1987]

Pathetic way to send out a legend in his last time in a red shirt at Anfield.

Goodbye champ.

 

[thorson1987]

 

[saint.nick]

Are you being sarcastic or you actually think it was pathetic?

 

[Foz]

We were rank average last night but maybe they were playing to miss the Europa Cup next year.
Season summed up in one comment.
Gerrard scored more goals than our 3 starting strikers combined.
I think Gerrard scored about 12.Might be wrong.

I would've started Johnson.Result was basically meaningless but that striker of Palaces ran rings around our defence.Lovren the main target so maybe the formation was wrong as they were playing 2 up front and it was pretty obvious we weren't handling it.

 

[Craig Johnston]

Terrific send off regardless of the result, I teared up plenty, the man is a legend and needs to keep boning Alex until he gets a boy so the legend can live on

 

[saint.nick]

Gerrard needs an heir, otherwise he needs a new wife.

 

[thorson1987]

Are you being sarcastic or you actually think it was pathetic?

Wasnt talking about the farewell he was given.

Was talking about the performance on the pitch.

 

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

what a shambles of a club, rodgers is a class A clown, sterling at 20 has decided the club can't match his ambition, you have no world class players and maybe only 2 players that deserve to be on the next rung in Coutinho and Sakho.

but i'm sure david brent can spin a good yarn about how they are where they deserve to be and that they couldn't have foreseen certain problems occurring that would derail their season

 

[Craig Johnston]

what a shambles of a club, rodgers is a class A clown, sterling at 20 has decided the club can't match his ambition, you have no world class players and maybe only 2 players that deserve to be on the next rung in Coutinho and Sakho.

but i'm sure david brent can spin a good yarn about how they are where they deserve to be and that they couldn't have foreseen certain problems occurring that would derail their season

i get where you're going but sturridge when fit as good as any in the league, can is a superstar just waiting to happen and mignolet was close to the best form keeper for the back half of the season.

agreed we need more depth in top class quality, but we're not as far away as you're suggesting.

 

[Jack_Napier]

we have an ok squad just need a manager who will utilise it better. CJ mentions Emre Can, he is the perfect example of how BR has stuffed it this season. Can is a CM/CDM and Br has played him consistently out of position all year at RB or part of a 3 man CB set up. 2 reasons this is ridiculous imo, firstly BR sold Kelly, Loaned out Wisdom and loaned in Manquillo. There's 2 players plus a loanee who are all natural defenders, not to mention the wasted money on getting in a player we didn't need in Manquillo to play Can instead.

Secondly Can should've been played in the midfield this season as he needs time in there to develop in the CM role, he played a bit part role as a Midfielder all season and was wasted at the back. His positioning in defence wasn't always up to scratch but on the ball was a different story. He looked composed and has good passing range.

 

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

TBH I think Liverpool have quite a few problems that the brilliance of Suarez glossed over, and I'm not sure BR is the person to fix them.

Can may well become a good player, but if Liverpool don't improve, he will do what Sterling is doing and ask to leave for a club showing more ambition (and/or wages). Sturridge may well be one of the top strikers in the league, but if he's only fit for 20 league matches a year and has no competition to keep him on his toes, he won't provide Liverpool with the goals they need to put themselves in the Top 4 reckoning.

It's all well and good buying potential, but if you a) don't play them in their proper positions (See Markovic, Can) and b) put quality alongside them so they aren't carrying the team when they're barely out of their teens, then the whole concept falls apart. You can't build a team from the ground up if each season the mantra is 'give these guys a couple of seasons and they'll be awesome' ...no player is going to want to hang around and wait and see - their careers are short, and unless they're born and bred in Liverpool they have no sentimental affiliation with it or the city, they'll go where the money and the ambition is, and I don't think anyone could blame them for that.

 

[Captain Apollo]

we have an ok squad just need a manager who will utilise it better. CJ mentions Emre Can, he is the perfect example of how BR has stuffed it this season. Can is a CM/CDM and Br has played him consistently out of position all year at RB or part of a 3 man CB set up. 2 reasons this is ridiculous imo, firstly BR sold Kelly, Loaned out Wisdom and loaned in Manquillo. There's 2 players plus a loanee who are all natural defenders, not to mention the wasted money on getting in a player we didn't need in Manquillo to play Can instead.

Secondly Can should've been played in the midfield this season as he needs time in there to develop in the CM role, he played a bit part role as a Midfielder all season and was wasted at the back. His positioning in defence wasn't always up to scratch but on the ball was a different story. He looked composed and has good passing range.

Really Brendan Rogers did all the buying and selling hmmm? That is not accurate. There is a Transfer Committee at Anfield that make those decisions. Rogers is one member of that committee it is widely known but no one knows who are the other 2 members. As such that committee has to take the blame for the buyings and the sellings.

As to Emre Can, he moved him not to right back, but when in desperation he went to only having 3 defenders at the back in a 3-4-3 formation, he did so because he only had 2 central defenders who were playing well (Sakho and Skrtel) with his others either horribly out of form (Lovren) or not up to the physical demand of playing in a back 3 (Toure). He in desperation turned to Can to play there and what happened? He played some of his best football there.

Granted it is not his best position but he did the job. Manquillo could not play there as it the position is not that of a traditional right back, but more a central defender. Even if Manquillo had been playing better he would not have filled that spot. Glen Johnson didn't either, he played further up the pitch as a wing back and not in the back 3.

As to an "ok squad" really? With only 1 decent striker (when fit) in Sturridge? Sorry but that is where you lost me my friend.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Hard to argue with any of the MJ. All falls to the manager IMO, BR has shown he isn't up to the job outside of 6 months of football that required Bielsa's help. Wasted money, the non stop foot in mouth press conferences, constantly airing clubs dirty laundry in public, the sterling contract saga the prime example of this and the total mismanagement of our squad.

His failure to use our youth players is another thing that isn't right. Sinclair, Lloyd Jones, Rossiter, Ibe and To a lesser extent Ojo should all have been used more often this season.