Y.N.W.A. Thread (Liverpool fans thread) II

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

IMO, I don't see the point in spending 5 mill here, 8mill there on potential players when you've got the likes of Ojo, Kent, Canos, Brannagan and Wilson who are all ripping it up in the reserves. Pad out your squad with those guys, spend what limited money you have on quality that are going to hit the ground running. None of this time to bed in shit, which IMO is a cop out anyway - quality is quality and the vast majority of the time will make an immediate splash.

Ozil, Sanchez, Willian, Costa etc didn't need time to bed in.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Really Brendan Rogers did all the buying and selling hmmm? That is not accurate. There is a Transfer Committee at Anfield that make those decisions. Rogers is one member of that committee it is widely known but no one knows who are the other 2 members. As such that committee has to take the blame for the buyings and the sellings.

As to Emre Can, he moved him not to right back, but when in desperation he went to only having 3 defenders at the back in a 3-4-3 formation, he did so because he only had 2 central defenders who were playing well (Sakho and Skrtel) with his others either horribly out of form (Lovren) or not up to the physical demand of playing in a back 3 (Toure). He in desperation turned to Can to play there and what happened? He played some of his best football there.

Granted it is not his best position but he did the job. Manquillo could not play there as it the position is not that of a traditional right back, but more a central defender. Even if Manquillo had been playing better he would not have filled that spot. Glen Johnson didn't either, he played further up the pitch as a wing back and not in the back 3.

As to an "ok squad" really? With only 1 decent striker (when fit) in Sturridge? Sorry but that is where you lost me my friend.

You do realise the transfer committee was set up due to Rodgers failing in this area. He also gets a big say in the targets brought to him. Who do you think knocked the Remy deal on the head.

Whose fault is it we are lack of firepower up front? Give me a break Captain A, if you can't see the major blame for the mess we are in is BR then sorry that's where you've lost me as well. The players need to take some responsibility as well but we are kidding ourselves as a club if we think BR is going to lead us to consistent top 4 finishes.

I was commenting on Can as RB from the few games we reverted to a back 4 during games. Can has played CB before I know that but we have too many at the club yet BR thinks Can should be there, yet Allen can sit and anchor a midfield. It's stupidity. We need players with Cans ability in the midfield trying to drive us, not continually having to make up for Skrtel at the back.

 

[Jack_Napier]

IMO, I don't see the point in spending 5 mill here, 8mill there on potential players when you've got the likes of Ojo, Kent, Canos, Brannagan and Wilson who are all ripping it up in the reserves. Pad out your squad with those guys, spend what limited money you have on quality that are going to hit the ground running. None of this time to bed in shit, which IMO is a cop out anyway - quality is quality and the vast majority of the time will make an immediate splash.

Ozil, Sanchez, Willian, Costa etc didn't need time to bed in.

Exactly, the fringe and squad players we buy when we should be promoting from the academy is ridiculous. We only needed to add 2-3 high quality players start of last season, instead we overpaid to make our squad bigger. Can't tell me Sinclair would've done any worse than Balo this season.

 

[Craig Johnston]

i blame FSG. BR walks a fine tightrope, he can't be critical of the hand that feeds him, but he's fed some lines this season to suggest he's not being backed properly and he's not the one making the decisions which considering his circumstance you can understand.

but if he isn't strong enough to be backed, then he isn't the man for the job. and no man is the right man for the job until FSG start competing properly for quality players

 

[Jack_Napier]

FSG have made plenty of funds available to BR and the committee.fact is they have been wasted on the players we've got in.

 

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

I think it's a combination of both. FSG appear to have some sort of philosophy that they abide by when it comes to purchasing players and so on.

BR however, has wasted the money he's been given and by all reports has f**ked up the Sterling situation good and proper. He is seemingly unable to convince players that Liverpool is the place for them to be, and realistically, he has no profile that makes players want to come. What's he done in his career? Won a playoff final with Swansea and finished 2nd, riding off the coat tails of Suarez and Sturridge having career best seasons. Not exactly a glowing resume, and not something a player is going to look at and go hmm, he's someone I wanna play for.

 

[Craig Johnston]

FSG have made plenty of funds available to BR and the committee.fact is they have been wasted on the players we've got in.

that they chose, because the quality players we should have pursued more heavily didn't offer enough future value.

that's not BR's fault, the way it used to work is if a player ideally meets a coaches specifications, a club would sign him, not compare the resale value against the next 5-10 players down

 

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

Lovren, Lallana and Lambert were all BR's signings. There's plenty of info out there about this. So was Allen and Borini.

BR also wanted Williams and Bertrand, but the committee won out and they signed Sakho and Moreno instead.

 

[saint.nick]

Really Brendan Rogers did all the buying and selling hmmm? That is not accurate. There is a Transfer Committee at Anfield that make those decisions. Rogers is one member of that committee it is widely known but no one knows who are the other 2 members. As such that committee has to take the blame for the buyings and the sellings.

It is accurate. Rodgers has power over everyone else in the committee, and has the final say. The committee are there to assist him.

As to Emre Can, he moved him not to right back, but when in desperation he went to only having 3 defenders at the back in a 3-4-3 formation, he did so because he only had 2 central defenders who were playing well (Sakho and Skrtel) with his others either horribly out of form (Lovren) or not up to the physical demand of playing in a back 3 (Toure). He in desperation turned to Can to play there and what happened? He played some of his best football there.

All of this is a result of poor planning on Rodgers' behalf. We have a wealth of defenders yet we're resorting to playing a midfielder as a wide centre back, and playing four separate midfielders/wingers in the same wing back position, even after bringing in a FB on loan? Did Rodgers thoroughly scout Lovren, or just buy him based on media hype? He was regarded as one of the worst defenders in the French Ligue 1 during his time at Lyon. Something is not right, as a chaotic mid-season squad reshuffle does not represent a well invested 100 million pounds, which he rather made a mess of.

We didn't need to immediately quantify the squad, we needed to improve the first team. If you want to improve the quality and quantity of your depth, you do that gradually over a span of years, not a couple of months during a transfer window. The quality of the first team comes first. What we immediately needed was a capable striker and a defensive midfielder. They were the two most important gaps to fill and Rodgers f**ked it up because he dithered around, has no defensive aptitude, and because he wasted so much other time and money on players we didn't desperately need before a striker and DM, like Markovic and Lallana and Lovren and Moreno. That's about 80 million pounds that could have instead got us a quality striker and DM.

 

[Craig Johnston]

Lovren, Lallana and Lambert were all BR's signings. There's plenty of info out there about this. So was Allen and Borini.

BR also wanted Williams and Bertrand, but the committee won out and they signed Sakho and Moreno instead.

he also brought in sturridge and coutinho, so he's no worse than fsg taking control themselves, so you've identified 90m out of close to 220m spending during BR's time. who chose these players then?;

- markovic 20m
- ballo 10m
- aspas 8m
- lori 7m
- alberto 7m
- assaidi yesil etc..... ?

 

[Jack_Napier]

BR had control of transfers in his first season for sure, the committee was set up because he was shit. Allen for £15m stands out as well.

 

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

He only wanted to take Sturridge on loan and had his arm twisted to buy him, so i'm not sure I would include that one. Can give you Coutinho though.

Markovic is poor because he's been played on the wings and as a wing back. Play him in the middle as an AM and you'll see he's a lot better. It's like evaluating Can at RB when he's clearly not meant to be played there.

As for the rest of them, yes they're poor purchases and the TC should be disbanded, but I don't think there's anything to indicate if we get rid of them, that BR's purchases will be any better.

Both of them have a horrible record.

I'd f**k them both off, bring in a DOF like Monchi at Sevilla, and a manager with a rep of winning and building a side. De Boer/Benitez/Klopp/ ... Ancelotti doesn't belong in the building a team criteria but he's a winner and if he's available, go for him. At least he'd turn players heads.

 

[Craig Johnston]

He only wanted to take Sturridge on loan and had his arm twisted to buy him, so i'm not sure I would include that one. Can give you Coutinho though.

Markovic is poor because he's been played on the wings and as a wing back. Play him in the middle as an AM and you'll see he's a lot better. It's like evaluating Can at RB when he's clearly not meant to be played there.

As for the rest of them, yes they're poor purchases and the TC should be disbanded, but I don't think there's anything to indicate if we get rid of them, that BR's purchases will be any better.

Both of them have a horrible record.

I'd f**k them both off, bring in a DOF like Monchi at Sevilla, and a manager with a rep of winning and building a side. De Boer/Benitez/Klopp/ ... Ancelotti doesn't belong in the building a team criteria but he's a winner and if he's available, go for him. At least he'd turn players heads.

i agree bring back rafa, only because he won't take any shit. but again it won't matter if it's whiskey nose ferguson if FSG continue dictating a transfer policy over football policy, a world class manager needs to backed full stop.

 

[Mogsheen Jadwat]

Well looks like Rafa is off to Madrid so cross that one off the list.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Would love us to go for Bielsa tbh, regardless of his lack of English hurting his chances. Someone like Monchi would be great as well as DoF. It's big decision to make on what the next step is for the club, Michael Gordon and FSG have to make sure it's the right move this time.

 

[Jack_Napier]

Is Rafa to Madrid confirmed? read the players are dead sold on Carlo staying but we all know the prez runs Madrid not the players.

Wonder how Borell would've went if FsG went with him over BR. He helped grow our academy and had a good reputation growing at the club. He's the youth technical director for Manchester City's global brand now so we missed that one.

 

[cb4]

Rodgers only has the final say on transfers if it is a tied vote.

He wanted Williams, no one voted yes and he got Sakho.

Same as Bertrand and Moreno.

We f**ked ourself in the summer when our targets were Sanchez, followed by Remy, then Balo and Eto'o.

Our list should have been a mile long not just 2 names.

I agree with the sentiment though, we didnt need to build a squad, we had young players to do that, we needed 3 genuine World Class players.

There is no way Ilori would have been worse than Lovren, Texeria could have taken Lallanas role, Ibe for Markovic ect.

If I were BR, I'd target Kovacic and Icardi, and try and include Lucas in the deal, maybe even Balo as Mancini loves him.

Aubameyang is a perfect replacement for Sterling, Ntep is a shout, Kono is free.

Schaar from Basel is almost a must, and free.

That wouldnt cost us much when you factor in City will give us ridiculous money for Sterling.

 

[Craig Johnston]

Rodgers only has the final say on transfers if it is a tied vote.

He wanted Williams, no one voted yes and he got Sakho.

Same as Bertrand and Moreno.

We f**ked ourself in the summer when our targets were Sanchez, followed by Remy, then Balo and Eto'o.

Our list should have been a mile long not just 2 names.

I agree with the sentiment though, we didnt need to build a squad, we had young players to do that, we needed 3 genuine World Class players.

There is no way Ilori would have been worse than Lovren, Texeria could have taken Lallanas role, Ibe for Markovic ect.

If I were BR, I'd target Kovacic and Icardi, and try and include Lucas in the deal, maybe even Balo as Mancini loves him.

Aubameyang is a perfect replacement for Sterling, Ntep is a shout, Kono is free.

Schaar from Basel is almost a must, and free.

That wouldnt cost us much when you factor in City will give us ridiculous money for Sterling.

you forget the likes of wilfried bony and lacazette who's prices like other past targets continue to increase the more we f**k around

 

[cb4]

you forget the likes of wilfried bony and lacazette who's prices like other past targets continue to increase the more we f**k around

It was a choice between Bony and Remu and we went the cheaper option.

Lacazette, no one knew his name until he was banging in goals THIS year.

 

[Craig Johnston]

It was a choice between Bony and Remu and we went the cheaper option.

Lacazette, no one knew his name until he was banging in goals THIS year.

rubbish, alot of hardcore football fans knew who he was at the time, and no doubt a wordclass football club worth it's salt would have had scouts that would have known too.

it's no surprise that alot of our past targets most predominantly in the rafa era have gone on to huge careers, eg garay, alves, bale before he went to spurs, even young and valencia would have improved our squad, vidic, radadadaa

the difference back then was that rafa at least had the nads to ask for those type of signings, BR just accepts FSG will say no