Your Thoughts on the Aussie Bowlers

[JJ]

That is because you see someone bowling well by the figures they present to you whereas Bollinger who was bowling 145kph controlled inswingers to the right handers you can tell straight away without even looking at the batsman that he is bowling a world class style right there. Any batting side would have struggled with that opening spell he delivered.

And Australia did beat Pakistan twice by an innings and the third time the bowlers defended a small total successfully, that is winning pretty well to me, won better than when India beat Bangladesh.

Figures across a period of time against quality opposition... YES

I could say anyone would have struggled against Sami's spell, doesn't mean he's a star

Bollinger has played tests against two of the weakest test teams going around, both of these teams nearly lost series in NZ.... don't Forget Bond destroyed Pakistan, and they made Ian O'Brien look like a world class pace bowler, so, sorry, but for me Bollinger hasn't proven much yet, let's see him play a test series against quality opposition, a summer of WIndies, Pakistan and NZ proves very little

 

[typicalfan]

Where did I say Bollinger is a star? I just said it was harsh to call him mediocre. You called him mediocre so why is he mediocre? what is it about his bowling that is mediocre?

And you also said Australia didn't win that well. 2 innings victories, and 2 ODI series which Australia have barely been pushed is pretty convincing to me.

India weren't that convincing against Bangladesh, seeing as they are higher ranked and played a lower ranked side.

Sami was bowling on a green top while Bollinger was bowling on a batsman's paradise.

 

[JJ]

That is because you see someone bowling well by the figures they present to you whereas Bollinger who was bowling 145kph controlled inswingers to the right handers you can tell straight away without even looking at the batsman that he is bowling a world class style right there. Any batting side would have struggled with that opening spell he delivered.

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Sorry, but the batsmen have a lot to do with it...

He might be, or might not be.. not sure that you can draw too many conclusions from good test performances against Windies, Pakistan and presumably NZ... that's the way I see it, anyway

 

[Fast Eddie]

Bolligner might just sneak into the top 10 left arm quicks in the world atm.

 

[Red Bear]

Agree with JJ to an extant, that he hasnt faced good opposition at all, but on the other hand the manner in which he bowled, particularly in Perth, has been very promising. Decent pace and is constantly making the batsmen play, as opposed to the Johnson method of sending them down at 150 and hoping they'll be in the right area.

I have high hopes for Hilfenhaus when he is fit, as long as he is kept away from the ODI side.

Steyn is comfortably the best quick in the world at present. I really hope Morne Morkel kicks on because he looks like he could be an excellent bowler, but could end up being another Harmisson.

 

[yappy]

Whilst I agree to an extent that Doug has yet to face a real tough challenge, he was the best of our bowlers in those games. He left Johnson in his shadow and the less said about Siddle the better. He bowled good lines, kept a length, made the batsmen play and was generally threatening. The thing is he's only played 6 tests and 11 one dayers. He'll improve as he gets more experience at this level.

Yes he'll face tougher teams than Pakistan and the Windies, but his sub 25 ave looks pretty good when you think Johnson has a lower average against only one team (NZ @ 11). Mitchell averages over 30 against the Windies.

I certainly don't think Doug is a 21-22 average bowler, but I don't think it will blow out either. He looks a very handy quick who will probably maintain a 25-26 average in tests. Whilst that ain't Lillee or McGrath territory it's still pretty exulted company.

 

[JJ]

Bolligner might just sneak into the top 10 left arm quicks in the world atm.

just behind Andy McKay and Jimmy Franklin? :sarcasm:

 

[typicalfan]

Sorry, but the batsmen have a lot to do with it...

He might be, or might not be.. not sure that you can draw too many conclusions from good test performances against Windies, Pakistan and presumably NZ... that's the way I see it, anyway

I agree with not drawing too many conclusions but you were the one that drew the conclusion based on those performances!!! You came out and said he was mediocre didn't you? I just called you on it and the only conclusions I am drawing is based on his bowling and not the opposition

Does he bowl at a good pace? yes
Can he swing the ball? Yes
can he extract extra bounce out of a wicket? yes
does he have good control? reasonable but better than Johnson and Siddle.

Those questions can be answered without knowing the opposition.

That spell at Adelaide would have troubled anyone the question is can he maintain that form and can he produce it when the pressure is on via a close match or high class opposition.

 

[JJ]

I agree with not drawing too many conclusions but you were the one that drew the conclusion based on those performances!!! You came out and said he was mediocre didn't you? I just called you on it and the only conclusions I am drawing is based on his bowling and not the opposition

Does he bowl at a good pace? yes
Can he swing the ball? Yes
can he extract extra bounce out of a wicket? yes
does he have good control? reasonable but better than Johnson and Siddle.

Those questions can be answered without knowing the opposition.

That spell at Adelaide would have troubled anyone the question is can he maintain that form and can he produce it when the pressure is on via a close match or high class opposition.

Yep, I said mediocre

Mohammed Sami probably gets a yes to those questions too :sarcasm: McGrath probably only 2/4

 

[typicalfan]

So which side of the fence are you on?

 

[JJ]

So which side of the fence are you on?

:lol: well, I think the Australian attack as a whole is mediocre

Bollinger has been the best of the pace bowlers over the summer, but against even more mediocre opposition, so I'll reserve judgement - but haven't seem anything to suggest he's anything other than a decent bowler.

Siddle and Hauritz are truly awful

 

[typicalfan]

Siddle is horrendous what more can be said? He is out for months now anyhow and in 5 months time if Doug is bowling as well as he is now he won't even be in with a hope.

Hauritz is awful but tbh spin in most places is awful atm.

 

[Fast Eddie]

just behind Andy McKay and Jimmy Franklin? :sarcasm:

Exactly. Probably Ewan Thompson as well.

 

[typicalfan]

Well he seems to be further up the pecking order than Dirk Nannes and Nathan Bracken here so I would be quietly confident he would be ahead of them :sarcasm:

 

[lockyno1]

Hauritz is awful but tbh spin in most places is awful atm.

Has a similar (if not better) average to Tim May who was hardly "horrible" as you put it.

 

[JJ]

Has a similar (if not better) average to Tim May who was hardly "horrible" as you put it.

Haurible... but as long as he keeps playing the worst teams in the world that keep gifting him their wickets he'll maintain that record... hopefully some tests are scheduled with Bangladesh soon?

 

[Jono1987]

Haurible... but as long as he keeps playing the worst teams in the world that keep gifting him their wickets he'll maintain that record... hopefully some tests are scheduled with Bangladesh soon?

Not Bangladesh but we do play NZ soon. Few five wicket haul's coming up for Hauritz provided he can land the ball somewhere on the pitch.

 

[JJ]

Not Bangladesh but we do play NZ soon. Few five wicket haul's coming up for Hauritz provided he can land the ball somewhere on the pitch.

nope, he won't trouble us... your quicks should be relishing the chance though

 

[Brutus]

I certainly don't think Doug is a 21-22 average bowler, but I don't think it will blow out either. He looks a very handy quick who will probably maintain a 25-26 average in tests. Whilst that ain't Lillee or McGrath territory it's still pretty exulted company.

And definitely not Brett Lee 30-31 territory.

 

[Deleted member 10972]

In my opinion, if a pace bowler from a non-Asian country (other than Pakistan) finishes with an average below 28, then they are a high class bowler. A pace bowler from either India or Sri Lanka should be aiming between 28 and 32, on pitches crafted for the spinners.

Bowlers like Allan Donald, Richard Hadlee, Glenn McGrath, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Imran Khan, Ray Lindwall, Shaun Pollock, Dennis Lillee, Fred Trueman, Brian Statham, Alec Bedser, and the mighty West Indians Malcolm Marshall, Curtley Ambrose, Joel Garner, Courtney Walsh and Michael Holding, all possess averages lower than 25, which is in the outstanding category as far as I am concerned.

Most of the more dominant seam bowlers on the Indian and Sri Lankan pitches, like Vaas, Kapil Dev, Srinath, and Zaheer are all around 29-34 average.