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typicalfan

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Vaas and Dev are the only two that are really high class and in the category of the ones you mentioned. The others were good but not great.

Strike rates are important as well, taking wickets at regular intervals is important as bowling a team out twice is the only way to win a test match. It is why guys like Flintoff that were good for a short period of time but overall had a strike rate of a wicket every 11 overs not the kind of guy that regularly rattled an opposition.
 

typicalfan

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Has a similar (if not better) average to Tim May who was hardly "horrible" as you put it.
I think spin stocks around the world are in decline. Hauritz is ok and has exceeded expectations and imo that is one of his best weapons is the lack of respect opposition teams give him.

He gets more respect than Tendulkar showed Brad Hogg though.

Murali is getting older, Harbhajah is inconsistent and Vettori seems to lose a little of his bowling and taking up more of a role with the bat and captaincy particularly in test cricket . Graeme Swann is an exception, a great year for him. Kaneria is ok and by far the best legspinner. Hauritz, Benn, Harris etc are not outstanding but just do their job and that is it.

10 years ago we had Warne, Murali, Kumble, Saqlain, MacGill, Vettori. South Africa had Adams who is better than Harris is now. So compared to them Hauritz is not on the same plane imo.
 
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Vaas and Dev are the only two that are really high class and in the category of the ones you mentioned. The others were good but not great.

Strike rates are important as well, taking wickets at regular intervals is important as bowling a team out twice is the only way to win a test match. It is why guys like Flintoff that were good for a short period of time but overall had a strike rate of a wicket every 11 overs not the kind of guy that regularly rattled an opposition.

Flintoff only really hit top bowling form in the middle of his career that he really hit his straps as a bowler.

In his first 26 Tests between July 23 1998 and September 4 2003 (when Freddy was a part-time, injury prone trundler), Flintoff took 43 wickets and averaged 49.95 with the ball, with a strike rate of 101.0

In the 36 Tests between December 1 2003 and June 3 2006 (Freddie's golden period as a fast-bowling spearhead), Flintoff took 143 wickets and averaged 25.72 with the ball, with a strike rate of 51.7

In his final 17 Tests between November 23 2006 and August 20 2009 (from the 5-0 Ashes drubbing and injury period, to the end of his career), Flintoff took 40 wickets and averaged 39.57 with the ball, with a strike rate of 80.2

As a spearhead, he was outstanding, with a top-notch strike rate, average, and ratio of wickets per test. But in his first 26 Tests, he was really just a part-time seamer who could tie up one end and make the occasional breakthrough on the odd greentop. And in his final 17 Tests...well, the first 5 of those, he bowled himself into the ground in a futile Ashes 5-0 drubbing, hurt himself, spent 18 months off the field recovering, and then came back for one last run. We only saw the best of him for a short time, but in that time he was outstanding - you shouldn't judge a player of his qualities on his career stats, especially with injury issues. He showed some of the most rousing, aggressive fast bowling spells I have seen, toppling class batsmen like Ponting and Kallis, setting them up and making them look foolish.
 

Bazal

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Krezja? f**ker took 12 wickets in a match, Haurie struggles to get 5...and Hogg was a very good bowler.
 

beads6

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Krezja? f**ker took 12 wickets in a match, Haurie struggles to get 5...and Hogg was a very good bowler.

Krezja is a woeful bowler throws up pies!! Hogg was a very good one day bowler but his test match bowling was rubbish. Hauritz has been pretty good for Australia in both forms of the game. SUrely Dan Cullen and Bryce Mcgain are at least worse than Hauritz
 

yappy

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If Krazy was much chop he wouldn't have been dropped by Tassie ffs. Haurie is a handy bowler who can keep an end quiet. He isn't going to run through a good side when he gets the right conditions like a Harbijan or Murali or even Swan can, but he invariably seems to pick up 2 or 3 an innings. He also regularly makes a handy contribution with the bat.

That's what we need right now, especially with Watson serving me up some humble pie and giving us four pace bowlers. If a great leggy shows up that can turn em square, then sure seeya Ritzy, but until then I'm happy for Hauritz to be a permanent fixture. He'll never be the star, but he's solid.
 

aussies1st

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Hauritz is doing his job but I don't think he will ever be accepted as our main spinner. Until a gun spinners comes through the ranks we have no choice but to stick with him.
 

Twizzle

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Pretty harsh look at Krejza and Casson even Hogg. Haurtiz is not given nearly enough credit IMO.

harsh but fair

Crazy got a 7 bag after about 2 tests.

Hauri got his first ever 5fer last month and that includes his first class career, so whats that, about 5 or 6 years to get his first, makes you wonder how he got selected in the first place

I bet alot of other bowlers like Crazy and Casson wish they could get that many chances and if they did no doubt would have a heap of 5 bags by now

And how dare you put Hoggy in that list
 

Red Bear

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Hogg was absolute tits in test cricket, and first class cricket really. If we are purely talking test cricket then Hogg deserves to be on a list of worst Australian spinners.

His one day performances were excellent.
 

beads6

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Hauritz is doing his job but I don't think he will ever be accepted as our main spinner. Until a gun spinners comes through the ranks we have no choice but to stick with him.

No finger spinner will ever be accepted in Australia, wrist spinners are the ones that do damage on Australian wickets.
 

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