Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[herbert henry1908]

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Actually our best phase of the season was his first 2 games back from injury.

And we had won 4 from 5 with Nathan in the team up to that point of the season. The only loss being the game against Bulldogs where he got injured.

Our team peaked before Origin with both halves in the squad. Nathan was also arguably our best player in the first 2 rounds. The issue scross the board happened at the bye.

Our best 2 performances since then came with a roster consisting of more reserve graders then first graders.

2 games isn’t a phase, but yes the dragons game was our best of the season.

6 wins from 8 (total) without him shows he wasn’t vital at halfback.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Cleary never has shockers just can go MIA in attack. Still runs it and defends well even in the off games.

This is why I think he’s a Hooker.

Number 9 is about consistency, quick passes, defence & running the ball.

This is where Cleary excels.



For as much as it might look like I’m bagging Cleary, he’s still a very good player. He just isn’t that good of a first receiver.

 

[OldPanther]

This is why I think he’s a Hooker.

Number 9 is about consistency, quick passes, defence & running the ball.

This is where Cleary excels.



For as much as it might look like I’m bagging Cleary, he’s still a very good player. He just isn’t that good of a first receiver.

You might be right but I doubt any coach would think to try it in first grade.

 

[Whino]

Further more from Rothfield.


THE Panthers will deny it but we’re hearing five-eighth James Maloney is no certainty to see out his three-year contract at the Panthers. Of all the players at Penrith, the Blues’ pivot was closest to sacked coach Anthony Griffin.

In fact, Griffin told me that Maloney is “as brainy as Darren Lockyer” when I interviewed him last week. The Panthers need cash to be in a position to offer halfback Nathan Cleary the big bucks it will require to keep him long term.

There’s been talk for several weeks that Cleary’s relationship with Maloney is not as tight as other halves combinations in the NRL, and that Gus Gould is aware of it and is monitoring the situation.

https://outline.com/t8EXVF

 

[franklin2323]

Further more from Rothfield.


THE Panthers will deny it but we’re hearing five-eighth James Maloney is no certainty to see out his three-year contract at the Panthers. Of all the players at Penrith, the Blues’ pivot was closest to sacked coach Anthony Griffin.

In fact, Griffin told me that Maloney is “as brainy as Darren Lockyer” when I interviewed him last week. The Panthers need cash to be in a position to offer halfback Nathan Cleary the big bucks it will require to keep him long term.

There’s been talk for several weeks that Cleary’s relationship with Maloney is not as tight as other halves combinations in the NRL, and that Gus Gould is aware of it and is monitoring the situation.

https://outline.com/t8EXVF

This sort of stuff you normal take no notice of but who knows these days

 

[Whino]

This sort of stuff you normal take no notice of but who knows these days

We have a good track record of releasing players and coaches 12 months after they sign long term deals.
Who knows.

 

[umina panther]

When is the last team to win the comp without a prick in their team? We need one

We don't want a bloke who purposely tried to end his cousin's career in a game

 

[herbert henry1908]

You might be right but I doubt any coach would think to try it in first grade.

More about having the guts to try it.

But you’d do it for 10-15 mins to have a look at it first. I mean we’ve had Tyrone May playing some minutes out of dummy half.

 

[OldPanther]

We don't want a bloke who purposely tried to end his cousin's career in a game

That's f**ked.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Further more from Rothfield.


THE Panthers will deny it but we’re hearing five-eighth James Maloney is no certainty to see out his three-year contract at the Panthers. Of all the players at Penrith, the Blues’ pivot was closest to sacked coach Anthony Griffin.

In fact, Griffin told me that Maloney is “as brainy as Darren Lockyer” when I interviewed him last week. The Panthers need cash to be in a position to offer halfback Nathan Cleary the big bucks it will require to keep him long term.

There’s been talk for several weeks that Cleary’s relationship with Maloney is not as tight as other halves combinations in the NRL, and that Gus Gould is aware of it and is monitoring the situation.

https://outline.com/t8EXVF

It’d be pretty disappointing to lose Maloney. To me we’re no chance of winning a premiership next year without him.

 

[chrisD]

Letting Maloney go and using that money just to keep Cleary would be f**ked.

 

[franklin2323]

We have a good track record of releasing players and coaches 12 months after they sign long term deals.
Who knows.

The reason the Griffin going was laughed off was due to being in the DT. I guess now we just wait

 

[Panther_Daz]

Cleary has 7 try assists in 13 games

On the updated stats Taylor has 22 try assists in 21 games

So Cleary averages 0.6 a try assist per game

Ash Taylor averages 1.05 try assists per game

That’s an 80% difference

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Josh McCrone had more try assists in less games than Cleary in 2017.

 

[Matthew Ellis]

They aren’t the key stats for a halfback.

Key stats for a half are

Try assists
Line break assists
Kick meters
Forced drop outs

NRL don’t list line breaks but Taylor beats him everywhere else

Taylor

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Cleary

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On his day Taylor is definitely the better player but Cleary is miles more consistent so in the short term I'd rather have Cleary in the team. No doubt Taylor's got the ability but there's a good chance he'll end as another half who never achieves his potential.

 

[herbert henry1908]

On his day Taylor is definitely the better player but Cleary is miles more consistent so in the short term I'd rather have Cleary in the team. No doubt Taylor's got the ability but there's a good chance he'll end as another half who never achieves his potential.

That consistency issue could be down to his teammates. Hard to constantly excell when you’re surrounded by below par talent.

Ash Taylor in another team would be very interesting.

 

[Matthew Ellis]

That consistency issue could be down to his teammates. Hard to constantly excell when you’re surrounded by below par talent.

Ash Taylor in another team would be very interesting.

You can't blame your team mates when you kick it out on the full, fail to find touch off a penalty, throw a forward pass, don't put your body on the line in defense, etc. He'll either show up and have a blinder or do that kinda stuff all game.

 

[herbert henry1908]

You can't blame your team mates when you kick it out on the full, fail to find touch off a penalty, throw a forward pass, don't put your body on the line in defense, etc. He'll either show up and have a blinder or do that kinda stuff all game.

I’m not saying he isn’t responsible for some of it, but you can’t doubt he’d be a better player in another team.

Id argue it’s more likely Taylor achieves consistency than Cleary achieving some of the individual brilliance Taylor is capable of. Those things are hard to teach, typically you’ve either got it or you don’t.

After 57 games of top class footy I think we would’ve seen it by now in Cleary.

 

[Panther Mick]

It’d be pretty disappointing to lose Maloney. To me we’re no chance of winning a premiership next year without him.

We need at least one more year out of him.

 

[Pomoz]

Josh McCrone had more try assists in less games than Cleary in 2017.

Daz, surely Gus and the coaches know Cleary's limitations? Any talk of moving him to hooker?

 

[Panther_Daz]

Daz, surely Gus and the coaches know Cleary's limitations? Any talk of moving him to hooker?

I think the people at the club are blinded by Cleary based on the amount of effort he puts in. He works harder than every player at training so they want to see him succeed.

Brandy, Freddy and Joey have all put in countless hours with him this year to improve his playmaking ability but unfortunately the kid doesn't have natural football instincts.

If you tell him a set play, he will practice it a thousand times but he doesn't know when to use it. He doesn't have the ability to react to the defensive line.

He threw two shocking passes to Whare and CHN on the weekend that lead to errors. His brain said he had to throw the passes because that's what the coaches told him to do but the moment was not right.

As I have said numerous times before, the first time I ever saw Cleary play it was at hooker and he went really well. His speed was very handy out of there.