Rumoured/Confirmed Signings and More Crap XVIII

[Utey]

I'm stoked. With Hayne gone we now have the money to strengthen the rest of the team. There is also now room for better leaders to step up and for all our other players to take some ownership.

Absolute blessing in disguise. You'll see.

I'm with the Poo man, could obviously go either way, but our recruitment opportunities for 2016 have now widened considerably.

 

[Gronk]

I'm stoked. With Hayne gone we now have the money to strengthen the rest of the team. There is also now room for better leaders to step up and for all our other players to take some ownership.

Absolute blessing in disguise. You'll see.

You should start your own "Thank f**k Hayne's Gone Club", merkin.

You won't need to rent a large space.

 

[Joshuatheeel]

I'm with the Poo man, could obviously go either way, but our recruitment opportunities for 2016 have now widened considerably.

Yeah, hayne is impossible to replace but it aren't the end of the world. It actually leaves us in very good spot regarding our cap and the ability to buy some quality players.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

You should start your own "Thank f**k Hayne's Gone Club", merkin.

You won't need to rent a large space.

That's ok. The hordes of wrist slashing morons will need all the space outside it.

 

[Craig Johnston]

I'm with the Poo man, could obviously go either way, but our recruitment opportunities for 2016 have now widened considerably.

jarryd was off contract end of 2015 anyway, 2016 has zero to do with jarryd trying gridiron

 

[Joshuatheeel]

jarryd was off contract end of 2015 anyway, 2016 has zero to do with jarryd trying gridiron

Yes - but we were offering him a massive contract for 2016 onwards, so guessing we have around $800k to $1m which was to be used to keep Hayne to spend on other players now. Plus any cap space we were planning to have. Makes us very active in player market for 2016

 

[Craig Johnston]

Yes - but we were offering him a massive contract for 2016 onwards, so guessing we have around $800k to $1m which was to be used to keep Hayne to spend on other players now. Plus any cap space we were planning to have. Makes us very active in player market for 2016

i don't get the logic in this, that's fair value for one of the best players in the game, would you try and get jonathon thurston or cam smith off your books if they were earning the 1m a season their clubs are paying?

 

[natheel]

I don't underestimate their pack. You over estimate it comparing it to the pack that Barba played behind. Along with arguable the best coach in the NRL.

I am not even going to give you stick about Hayne. It sucks seeing him go. He was a freak of a player and will be missed in league. Shame he never had enough help to compete regularly.

I think your delusional if you think that Broncos will pay you to take a player they paid 300k to get released. It's not their style at all. They are much more likely to wait for him to screw up and sack him. Regardless of that if he was willing to leave "home" the crap he put us through over that lol. I would almost bank on the fact both the Eels and Raiders would pay his entire contract. They need something without Hayne parra are spooners all over again. Raiders are in urgent need of something though I think Austin is a good pick up.

Hoffman is solid though doesn't have the same qualities as Barba.

As an outsider looking in I would almost bank on Parra using Arthur, Hoppa and if true Watmough to get in B Stewarts ear. He is obviously not happy. If they added him with Choc they are not taking that big a step back of losing Hayne.

You would almost think unless Hayne kills it in NFL he will be back in 2 years tops which is about all B Stewart has left in him with Watmough... Money freed up in time.

Not Spooners at all. Before when Hayne was gone we knew he would be back so we relied on him now we don't have that reliance anymore and Arthur will hopefully get the best out of the players he has. Now we don't have a player soaking up 20% of our cap as good as he was.

And I never compared the skill of our pack to the dogs I compared the size you gronk

And arguably the best coach in the league? Who the guy who got schooled by Bellamy and Maguire on the biggest stage of the season? Oh that guy. Not doubting he's a great coach but you over estimate him. Maguire is better now. Without manly Des is nothing

 

[Gronk]

Gold Coast Titans salary cap rort: Scott Prince saga sees club slapped with $300,000 fine

http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl...with-300000-fine/story-fn2mcuj6-1227092537489

Also docked 4 points only to have them suspended cos they self reported the rort.

 

[Eelementary]

"only" 2 seconds slower. over a short distance that is an absolute lifetime. hayne's speed, if he were to concentrate on just sprinting, wouldn't even qualify him for nationals in sprints. the nfl is stacked with guys who can run, or are very close to running, olympic sprint qualifying times.

hayne, and every other nrl player does speed training through the year. his absolute fastest wouldn't be much better than what he has shown. he is a great athlete by our domestic standards but the reality is that he looks a hell of a lot better than he is because he shows what he has against significantly lesser athletes. i honestly don't believe he has what it takes to be a good nfl player,especially making the transition this late in his career (similar to izzy when he went to afl). union is a whole different story. a guy like hayne would tear that game apart playing alongside izzy.

ps. this guy doesn't "specialise" in sprinting but as you can see by his numbers, is freakin fast and can jump

http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/...o-olympics-video/story-fndpt9s1-1227083931683

he's a guy that the nfl would look seriously at. hayne wouldn't come close to him on raw athletic performance. much like a lot of the ncaa guys that won't make it in nfl.

like i said somewhere else, it's all just discussion stuff right now (and personal opinions) but we won't really know too much until 6-12 months down the track.

Hayne only ever ran as fast as he needed to.

Besides, you're putting way too much emphasis on speed - Dez Bryant is no speedster, and Reggie Bush himself admitted that Hayne smoked him in a sprint.

I see no evidence to suggest that he can't become an even better athlete than he is now.

Honestly - I don't understand why NFL fans overestimate the athletes in their sport so much. They're great, sure - but you guys act like they're the greatest athletes on Earth...

 

[Joely01]

"only" 2 seconds slower. over a short distance that is an absolute lifetime. hayne's speed, if he were to concentrate on just sprinting, wouldn't even qualify him for nationals in sprints. the nfl is stacked with guys who can run, or are very close to running, olympic sprint qualifying times.

hayne, and every other nrl player does speed training through the year. his absolute fastest wouldn't be much better than what he has shown. he is a great athlete by our domestic standards but the reality is that he looks a hell of a lot better than he is because he shows what he has against significantly lesser athletes. i honestly don't believe he has what it takes to be a good nfl player,especially making the transition this late in his career (similar to izzy when he went to afl). union is a whole different story. a guy like hayne would tear that game apart playing alongside izzy.

ps. this guy doesn't "specialise" in sprinting but as you can see by his numbers, is freakin fast and can jump

http://www.news.com.au/sport/rugby/...o-olympics-video/story-fndpt9s1-1227083931683

he's a guy that the nfl would look seriously at. hayne wouldn't come close to him on raw athletic performance. much like a lot of the ncaa guys that won't make it in nfl.

like i said somewhere else, it's all just discussion stuff right now (and personal opinions) but we won't really know too much until 6-12 months down the track.

You do realize the different training involved for sprinters alone and rugby league players?
Hayne hasn't had the chance to focus solely on speed for close to 10 years, he has before that and was from all reports a very quick runner.
I can tell by his technique he still has his sprinting ability, hopefully now with more focus on sprinting alone (which he has actually already started once league season had finished) we will see his times drop quite quickly.

 

[spiderdan]

Hayne only ever ran as fast as he needed to.

Besides, you're putting way too much emphasis on speed - Dez Bryant is no speedster, and Reggie Bush himself admitted that Hayne smoked him in a sprint.

I see no evidence to suggest that he can't become an even better athlete than he is now.

Honestly - I don't understand why NFL fans overestimate the athletes in their sport so much. They're great, sure - but you guys act like they're the greatest athletes on Earth...

not nfl players. african americans (or more precisely, people with direct african lineage) - and no it isn't racist, race themed sure, but not racist. studies have been done one athletic genes. people originating from africa are better natural athletes across most athletic traits. hayne has power and agility no question. but he isn't that quick and he can't jump that high. like i said, we'll see soon if he has what it takes.

 

[spiderdan]

You do realize the different training involved for sprinters alone and rugby league players?
Hayne hasn't had the chance to focus solely on speed for close to 10 years, he has before that and was from all reports a very quick runner.
I can tell by his technique he still has his sprinting ability, hopefully now with more focus on sprinting alone (which he has actually already started once league season had finished) we will see his times drop quite quickly.

hmmm having done track, played league and got started with gridiron before my knee blew out (and having done coaching science at uni where i looked at a fair bit of this) yeah i think i have a pretty good idea of the not so big differences in speed training. i also knew plenty of guys who were faster than hayne is now when they were 17 and then didn't have much more improvement in them. you are kidding yourself if you think he has that much more improvements just because he was quick as a kid. sounds like you want to put him on a pedestal though.

 

[Eelementary]

not nfl players. african americans (or more precisely, people with direct african lineage) - and no it isn't racist, race themed sure, but not racist. studies have been done one athletic genes. people originating from africa are better natural athletes across most athletic traits. hayne has power and agility no question. but he isn't that quick and he can't jump that high. like i said, we'll see soon if he has what it takes.

I think the study you're referring to found that Africans by and large have better fast twitching muscles (meaning they were good at putting on size and great at explosive sports, using short bursts of power).

But similar studies have found similar things with Pacific Islanders.

I know a lot of the NFL players are pretty impressive, but IMO the only thing that plays against Hayne is his lack of true knowledge of the sport.

 

[Gronk]

I think the study you're referring to found that Africans by and large have better fast twitching muscles (meaning they were good at putting on size and great at explosive sports, using short bursts of power).

But similar studies have found similar things with Pacific Islanders.

I know a lot of the NFL players are pretty impressive, but IMO the only thing that plays against Hayne is his lack of true knowledge of the sport.

Mate he said last night that he has seen it on youtube a lot and plays it on playstation.

 

[T.S Quint]

Hayne won't be the fastest but he is fast enough.
I don't know why people are thinking he can't make it because he isn't an Olympic level sprinter.

The only reason Hayne won't make it is because he doesn't have the instincts for the game.

 

[spiderdan]

I think the study you're referring to found that Africans by and large have better fast twitching muscles (meaning they were good at putting on size and great at explosive sports, using short bursts of power).

But similar studies have found similar things with Pacific Islanders.

I know a lot of the NFL players are pretty impressive, but IMO the only thing that plays against Hayne is his lack of true knowledge of the sport.

it also looked at endurance. depending on what part of the continent people were from. from memory the west african nations people were more on the power/speed side of it and the east produced more natural endurance athletes. goes into the body type, lean muscle mass, etc. again, it's all good discussion (that we seem to not have the same thoughts on) and will be interesting to see if hayne does make it.

if i am wrong i'll bring you a bottle of rakija.

 

[Joely01]

hmmm having done track, played league and got started with gridiron before my knee blew out (and having done coaching science at uni where i looked at a fair bit of this) yeah i think i have a pretty good idea of the not so big differences in speed training. i also knew plenty of guys who were faster than hayne is now when they were 17 and then didn't have much more improvement in them. you are kidding yourself if you think he has that much more improvements just because he was quick as a kid. sounds like you want to put him on a pedestal though.

It's not about putting him on a pedestal, though I do admire what he is doing and do look up to him sporting wise.

I myself am currently doing athletics, and I know plenty of people who at ages between 24-28 have run bps and are continually improving speed, technique etc.
Hayne will get to drop some weight now and will be able to focus a lot more on the sprint training side of things.
I'm not saying he will be usain bolt, but he will get quicker than he is now.

 

[84 Baby]

Don't get why people think he won't be able to pick the game up.
Let's assume he's on the offensive side. The coaching staff & quarterback call all the plays. They practice these plays at training until they do it in their sleep. So as soon as Hayne hears "24 blah blah red blah" he knows exactly where he's running to and the likeliness of him getting the ball. All he really has to learn is terms the coaching staff are using. It's not that difficult a sport to learn especially if your training is a fulltime job (even more so then it was in NRL). And it's not like teams will pass over him because he has to learn it, every year teams bring in new players to the organisation who also have to learn the playbook.

Lack of instincts may hurt his chances, but the need for those lifetime developed instincts are rare as well.

In terms of athleticism, yeah there may be some younger Americans who are more athletic, but in US sports they have their minimum athletic testing scores, which if you qualify within the tests it really doesn't matter if there were guys who could run 100m 1 second quicker than you, you move on to the next lot of assessments. And I reckon this is why he has gone, he has been through some testing was within the minimums.

The main factor in whether he makes it or not will be whether there is a team looking at him and what he brings fits their criteria and that there is no other option that fits that criteria better. To which I don't think (haven't seen any college football recently) there would be any other player with identical attributes, plus I think Hayne's only criteria is to actually get signed, and very little to do with money. I reckon it's a small timeframe (probably late 2016) for him to mesh his attributes with a team's criteria.

I give him 50/50 shot

 

[The Elephant In The room]

Do we have anyone that qualifies for the long serving player allowance now?