Alex McKinnon possibly Quadriplegic - Mclean guilty of dangerous throw - 7 weeks

[redvscotty]

It was an 'illegal' tackle because he tucked his head and rolled over. I guarantee you that if McKinnon does not tuck his head and roll over, then this whole incident doesn't happen. Watch the tackle again if you need to...Jordan McClean does not drive McKinnon's head into the ground!

It was an illegal tackle because they lifted him over the horizontal.

 

[souths_pride]

1) bullshit - Alex f**king knew . He was the guy on the ground that was freaking out because he couldn't move. Most smart people who were watching also knew what was going on. The rest who didn't are either stupid or just flat out liars.

2) Bullshit - I disagree every other captain would have done the same.
In fact I say that only C Smith would have still carried on well after it was clearly evident the bloke was seriously injured.

3) so worried he was whinging about a the penalty.

well done that was complete horse shit from start to finish there.

1)Alex isn't a doctor either! Yes he was in pain, yes it was a neck injury but the severity of the injury was unknown.
2) Its just as well your not the captain of your football team because you would have let your team mate cop the penalty and getting placed on report without a word said in protest.
3) You have to look at this in context; it was a game of rugby league and he was out there getting paid to do the best for his team. He had to look after the interests of his team! In saying that, he is in a horrible position - on one hand he has to show support for an injured opposition player, yet at the same time he needs to defend his team and his players for something that they didn't do wrong. I thought he handle the incident perfectly with honor and dignity.

 

[Cloudsurfer]

The thing that you and Alex need to accept is that Cameron Smith nor anyone else didn't know the severity of the injury. Cameron Smith was just defending him team mate which he is perfectly entitled to do; any other captain in the NRL would have done exactly the same thing. What is Cameron Smith supposed to say "Yes my team mate was totally at fault for a tackle that was never illegal and incident which he didn't contribute to! Please penalize my team and suspend Jordan for 7 matches." We also do not have the right to judge players based on the severity of the injuries they suffer and whether or not they come off screaming on a stretcher; the severity of the injury is something for the medical people to diagnose.

You seem to allude to the argument that Cameron Smith should have done more. I feel it necessary to point out that Cameron Smith nor any of the other players on the field are medical professionals. Just because he didn't try to administer first aid of help Alex McKinnon doesn't mean he doesn't care about his welfare. Like I said in my post before, if you look at the footage of the incident, Cameron Smith looks just as worried as anyone else on the field!

Hark at all the 'expert' psychologists on here deciding what Cam Smith is thinking or why he did what he did when he did it.

How many of the most vocal on here were actually at the game? And if they were, how much of their attention was on Cam Smith at the time? Gimme a break...been through it twice with 2 people in my club (one luckier than the other but both unable to play again). Trust me, your attention is all on the poor bugger going through it.

Or are they are using the benefit of up-close-and personal angles and replays of this tragic accident to base their opinions? Watched it a few times myself after this debacle to see if it was even possible to build up the scenarios some are spouting - nothing remotely close.

So maybe they are just the media's b*****s - a twist here, an exaggeration there, a story or two, and there she grows.

 

[bfoord]

It was an illegal tackle because they lifted him over the horizontal.

true ... but if it wasn't for the injury, he would have been suspended for only 1 or 2 weeks.

hell the tackle by Josh Reynolds on Brent Tate in origin last year was far worse. and i don't recall him even getting suspended. (but if he did, it certainly wasn't for anywhere near 7 weeks)

 

[souths_pride]

It was an illegal tackle because they lifted him over the horizontal.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: they didn't lift him above the horizontal! McKinnon lifted himself past the horizontal by diving over! Look at the screen shot for god-sake! The Melbourne Storm players are not driving his head into the ground or tipping him over; in the screenshot McKinnon is already starting to tuck his head over!!

 

[Maximus]

The thing that you and Alex need to accept is that Cameron Smith nor anyone else didn't know the severity of the injury.

So you are calling Bennett, Slater and Chambers liars? Because they all claim they knew it was bad. I'm not sure Clydesdale has ever said anything publicly, but it was pretty clear he was distraught as well. But no he knew nothing either.

Look at the facts as told by people who were there, not your own deluded opinion.

What is Cameron Smith supposed to say "Yes my team mate was totally at fault for a tackle that was never illegal and incident which he didn't contribute to! Please penalize my team and suspend Jordan for 7 matches."

Or he could keep his mouth shut and accept the penalty.

It was an 'illegal' tackle because he tucked his head and rolled over.

Actually it was an illegal tackle when he was lifted past the horizontal.

 

[carcharias]

1)Alex isn't a doctor either! Yes he was in pain, yes it was a neck injury but the severity of the injury was unknown.
2) Its just as well your not the captain of your football team because you would have let your team mate cop the penalty and getting placed on report without a word said in protest.
3) You have to look at this in context; it was a game of rugby league and he was out there getting paid to do the best for his team. He had to look after the interests of his team! In saying that, he is in a horrible position - on one hand he has to show support for an injured opposition player, yet at the same time he needs to defend his team and his players for something that they didn't do wrong. I thought he handle the incident perfectly with honor and dignity.

Wrong - he wasn't in pain ...he couldn't feel anything...
You don't need to be a doctor to work out that one.

 

[DiegoNT]

1)Alex isn't a doctor either! Yes he was in pain, yes it was a neck injury but the severity of the injury was unknown.
2) Its just as well your not the captain of your football team because you would have let your team mate cop the penalty and getting placed on report without a word said in protest.
3) You have to look at this in context; it was a game of rugby league and he was out there getting paid to do the best for his team. He had to look after the interests of his team! In saying that, he is in a horrible position - on one hand he has to show support for an injured opposition player, yet at the same time he needs to defend his team and his players for something that they didn't do wrong. I thought he handle the incident perfectly with honor and dignity.

1) the game was stopped for 10 minutes, doctors from both sides were attending to Alex. If you haven't realized that the situation is pretty serious by then, you must be incredibly stupid- and we all know that Cam is one of the most intelligent people in the game.
2) when a player is being stretchered off like that, it's always going to be a penalty and put on report, arguing isn't going to achieve anything.
3) put it into real context, its just a game of football. A bloke is in a serious situation and all you can think about is trying to not get a penalty

 

[DJShaksta]

His legs are higher than his head whether it's tucked in or bolt upright.
They lifted him past horizontal.
It's an illegal tackle.

 

[Danish]

Yeah because Smith has Alex McKinnons old mans number......

Well you are the one claiming that perhaps Mckinnon's family told Smith they didn't want to speak with him. Mclean managed to get Alex's direct number in order to send him a message as well, so Smith had very easy access to Mckinnon's details if he actually wanted them.

This "we tried for weeks and months" story is complete bullshit

 

[betcats]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: they didn't lift him above the horizontal! McKinnon lifted himself past the horizontal by diving over! Look at the screen shot for god-sake! The Melbourne Storm players are not driving his head into the ground or tipping him over; in the screenshot McKinnon is already starting to tuck his head over!!

Mckinnon lifted himself now! :crazy: Moving your head forward is not the same as diving and if you think that little motion is enough to tilt his body while 3 100kg plus men are holding him then you have no idea. He had McClean(115kg) lifting his legs but it was the head nod that took him past horizontal, are you kidding me?

The shit you muppets are coming up with to absolve Smith and blame Alex is pathetic and not even close to credible, he lifted himself fmd.

 

[Danish]

Hark at all the 'expert' psychologists on here deciding what Cam Smith is thinking or why he did what he did when he did it.

How many of the most vocal on here were actually at the game? And if they were, how much of their attention was on Cam Smith at the time? Gimme a break...been through it twice with 2 people in my club (one luckier than the other but both unable to play again). Trust me, your attention is all on the poor bugger going through it.

Or are they are using the benefit of up-close-and personal angles and replays of this tragic accident to base their opinions? Watched it a few times myself after this debacle to see if it was even possible to build up the scenarios some are spouting - nothing remotely close.

So maybe they are just the media's b*****s - a twist here, an exaggeration there, a story or two, and there she grows.

I'm confused... Doesn't your story essentially prove that Cameron Smith should have and would have known how badly Mckinnon was injured? You said it yourself that anyone at the ground would have been solely focused on the poor bugger going through it, which I can only assume would include Smith as well.

How does telling us that when you witnessed a similar injury that you and everyone else there that day understood the gravity of the situation absolve Smith in this situation?

 

[Spot On]

I'm confused... Doesn't your story essentially prove that Cameron Smith should have and would have known how badly Mckinnon was injured? You said it yourself that anyone at the ground would have been solely focused on the poor bugger going through it, which I can only assume would include Smith as well.

How does telling us that when you witnessed a similar injury that you and everyone else there that day understood the gravity of the situation absolve Smith in this situation?

I think he may be confused if he reads his own post again.

Can anyone explain how Jordan McLean was able to make contact with McKinnon when the Storm claim their players could not?

Sorry a little off topic but "noted thespian" still has me giggling. Anyone read past that point in the Aus article?

 

[souths_pride]

So you are calling Bennett, Slater and Chambers liars? Because they all claim they knew it was bad. I'm not sure Clydesdale has ever said anything publicly, but it was pretty clear he was distraught as well. But no he knew nothing either.

They knew it was bad because he got stretchered off; Any time a player gets stretchered off there has to be an element of concern for the player from everyone because it is a very confronting sight.

Or he could keep his mouth shut and accept the penalty.

And leave Jordan McClean and the rest of his team mates out to dry? How do you think poor Jordan McClean (or Jordan the patsy) would feel if his captain didn't say anything to the referee? He would probably have felt even worse than he did and that he was directly responsible for making a fellow professional a quadriplegic

Actually it was an illegal tackle when he was lifted past the horizontal.

He wasn't lifted past the horizontal; he was at worst at horizontal level. McKinnon tucked his head and dived which made his body go past the horizontal. You make it sound like the tackle was the equivalent of Marcus Bai on Jarrod McCracken!

 

[Spot On]

They knew it was bad because he got stretchered off; Any time a player gets stretchered off there has to be an element of concern for the player from everyone because it is a very confronting sight.

You surely don't feel that way when soccer players are stetchered off do you?

Bennett has stated he knew there was something horribly wrong just after the tackle was completed.

 

[betcats]

And leave Jordan McClean and the rest of his team mates out to dry? How do you think poor Jordan McClean (or Jordan the patsy) would feel if his captain didn't say anything to the referee? He would probably have felt even worse than he did and that he was directly responsible for making a fellow professional a quadriplegic

Yeah opening his mouth really helped them out. All he did was make himself look like a prick and upset the Mckinnon family, well done Cam you big hero.

 

[carcharias]

You surely don't feel that way when soccer players are stetchered off do you?

Bennett has stated he knew there was something horribly wrong just after the tackle was completed.

it only takes a quick viewing of McKinnon immediately after the tackle to see he is in deep trouble.
He can't even move his hand to his mouth to take his own mouth guard out.

One look was all I needed to work out what was going on.
I'm no doctor either.

 

[insert.pause]

This is my issue with the story, I have no problem with Mckinnon saying what he thought of Smith, hes entitled to his own feelings, but if 9 are going to court controversy by using it as selling point of story, they can't just air one side. I believe Smith was very insensitive to the situation on the night, but 60mins was a absolute stitch up and he has cause to be pissed off imo, this is a show that gives a voice to serial killers & pedophiles.

They were asking questions as if Smith refused comment, his right of reply was conspicuously absent;

Liz Hayes re: Cam Smith, "I'm not sure what's driving him, but clearly..." Perhaps you should have asked him?

https://twitter.com/RL_Ratings/status/618052674534006785

WB re: Smith "I can only assume on the night he got it wrong",which he may have & may accept that, but why was WB left to assume for us?

https://twitter.com/RL_Ratings/status/618052693500649472

 

[magpie4ever]

Look, clearly you've heard the term fight or flight on a documentary somewhere and have it in your head that it applies to any dangerous situation. It doesn't. Fight or flight is a situation where your body responds to being threatened by triggering the adrenal system into flooding your body with hormones so that you are hyper aware and responsive and ready to fight or run. Its one of many danger responses and just doesn't apply in this situation. Self preservation does. In this case the fight or flight is negated because the subject can't run, and so instinctively braces to prevent injury as best as possible. Where possible impact and injury of the neck is involved, that means tucking it in with the natural curve and flex of the spine, into your body. Like I said, just try pushing gently on the top of your head with a relaxed neck and tell me which way your neck bends. That's all the proof I need to show that you're wrong.

Look at film on someone jumping from a multi-storey buiding on fire, they dont roll into a ball, they usually a falling feet first arms waving trying not to hit the ground even though it is inevitable they will. It is the same with a spear tackle instinct takes over, avoid falling on your head or neck, Alex said as much but was disoriented at the time.

 

[betcats]

it only takes a quick viewing of McKinnon immediately after the tackle to see he is in deep trouble.
He can't even move his hand to his mouth to take his own mouth guard out.

One look was all I needed to work out what was going on.
I'm no doctor either.

Imagine his parents and missus sitting there watching that on tv(I assume?) and then they got to listen to Smith blame Alex for it because he is worried about a penalty in a game.