Indigenous All Stars Vs Who?

[Parra]

Enjoy the game, I didn't even watch the game.
See that's the problem, your definition of racism is wrong, you don't understand what you are talking about.

Racism
noun
noun: racism

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
2. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Nowhere does that say the act of classification is racism, and the biggest problem with your argument is this is a self imposed selection criteria. The indigenous community came to the NRL with the idea, this is not racism under the definitions of the word. You can not make words mean what you want them to.

Nowhere in that post did I use the term racism.

 

[Parra]

It's best that you turn around and slowly walk away from this argument.

So you are saying that the non-indigenous players are being discriminated against because they can not play for the indigenous side?

Now what I really find worrying about your point of view, and I am not saying that this relates to you in anyway but what usually accompanies the arguments you are pushing is the belief in reverse racism, the belief that is discriminatory for policies and practices be put in place to lift up a group of people who have clear disadvantages to the rest of the community. That it is "unfair" that different people or groups in society get treated differently to overcome systemic disadvantage. People need get past the notion that fairness is everyone getting treated the same way, its not, fairness is everyone getting what they need to succeed.

And I will say once again that I do not think this is your view, but its a claim I've seen others make using your arguments.

I can't see that anyone is making an argument that anything to do with this is unfair either.

 

[Spade]

How bad is Moses Mybye

his crap, can't understand all the hype he gets, next in line for Thurstons QLD shirt I read in the paper yesterday haha

 

[unforgiven]

Nowhere in that post did I use the term racism.

Not in that post, seriously the whole discussion came from your post quoted below.

If separating people based on race is not racist then what is it?

 

[unforgiven]

Parra, you need to stop, you are losing the argument so now you are trying to change the terms of the discussion. That is incredibly desperate.

 

[ed-grimley]

Sorry, I didn't pick up the mordacity in your post, I was in the mindset of arguing with people who find the All Stars racist.

Fair enough. I just can't help myself sometimes.

 

[Parra]

Parra, you need to stop, you are losing the argument so now you are trying to change the terms of the discussion. That is incredibly desperate.

It is not really an argument. It is easy to see and understand that there is a level of enthusiasm and support for the game. Particularly among some of the high profile indigenous players.

It is equally easy to see that raced based selection is controversial. There is no need to be so obtuse on this issue.

The real test is thinking about what other race based discrimination you find tolerable.

 

[myrrh ken]

Mate it's not a test. The vast majority are happy with heritage based sides like indigoneous and Nz maori. They are also not so happy with race based sides that are de facto national sides meant to represent all. It's not that hard.

 

[Parra]

They are the only two examples I can think of as well.

 

[myrrh ken]

That's wonderful mate. And they are not discriminatory.

Play another record.

 

[myrrh ken]

I am all for them playing another team that the fans (and perhaps the players) care a bit more about.

Just pick one - nsw country, nz maori, pacific island all stars, a "2nd tier" nation. Even back to fan picked is better.

There is a bit of Washington Generals about the current all stars.

 

[Valheru]

No. It's not discriminatory to give Aboriginals the opportunity to play in a side celebrating their culture. It would be discriminatory if you didn't allow them to also be eligible for the national representative side. One is affording them an opportunity, the other is denying them an opportunity.

Is it discriminatory to give Australian Caucasians their own team? You know, to celebrate their culture. Perhaps we can have the Indigenous All Stars VS The Settlers?

You know there would be an outcry against such a team/game.

And no, I am not advocating for such a side, nor do I want one.

 

[RockWheel]

Is it discriminatory to give Australian Caucasians their own team? You know, to celebrate their culture. Perhaps we can have the Indigenous All Stars VS The Settlers?

You know there would be an outcry against such a team/game.

And no, I am not advocating for such a side, nor do I want one.

What culture?

 

[myrrh ken]

Is it discriminatory to give Australian Caucasians their own team? You know, to celebrate their culture. Perhaps we can have the Indigenous All Stars VS The Settlers?

You know there would be an outcry against such a team/game.

And no, I am not advocating for such a side, nor do I want one.

Bit different, given that is the majority of the population. I think you not wanting one speaks volumes.

But actually wouldn't have a problem with it. You'd have to set one up for Australian new migrants too.

 

[myrrh ken]

What culture?

Damper, billy tea, bushranging

 

[Briza]

was talking about this the other day.
Make it an indigenous tri series , Aus, combined tonga- samoa- and NZMaori.
If possible try get PNG in somehow.

 

[Meth]

Is it discriminatory to give Australian Caucasians their own team? You know, to celebrate their culture. Perhaps we can have the Indigenous All Stars VS The Settlers?

You know there would be an outcry against such a team/game.

And no, I am not advocating for such a side, nor do I want one.

Well, that sorts itself out then.

By Caucasian, I'm assuming you mean 'white'.

The Indigenous side is not 'the non-white Australians'- Australian Sri Lankans aren't invited, for example, to be a part of the Indigenous side. So it's a bit of a false equivalency, isn't it?

 

[Meth]

Bit different, given that is the majority of the population. I think you not wanting one speaks volumes.

But actually wouldn't have a problem with it. You'd have to set one up for Australian new migrants too.

That's also a valid point.

The fact that the Indigenous are a minority justifies the side in a way that 'White Australians' wouldn't be. It's a kind of equity.

 

[DiegoNT]

I don't get why people are so offended by an indigenous team. Seriously why? Does it really hurt you so much that a team comes together to represent it's people, inspires their people, does a whole heap of charity work and plays a game against its opponents in the spirit of togetherness? Is that really such a problem? We have many teams picked on a certain criteria. You have to be Aussie ( at the least a resident) to be a kangaroo, from the county to play country origin, be a Queenslander to play for the maroons. Be a service man to play in the army team. Be. A cop to be in the police team. Why does the indigenous team get so much flak? I notice it's always the same kind of people that have a problem with it. 'Why can't we have a White team?' Is the stupidest argument because there is a no 'black' team. If you want a team that celebrates Aussie represents Aussie culture then that's the kangaroos. If you want a team that represents people of British descent then fine. But if you use the same criteria of the indigenous all stars then you are likely to find most of the darker skinned players would qualify for the team in the same way Jack bird and Wade Graham qualify for the indigenous team. Someone like Greg Inglis would have more of a claim to British-Angelo team then Tedesco if we used the same criteria as the indigenous all-stars

 

[DiegoNT]

That's also a valid point.

The fact that the Indigenous are a minority justifies the side in a way that 'White Australians' wouldn't be. It's a kind of equity.

How would you qualify for this hypothetical 'white team?