Indigenous All Stars Vs Who?

[Lebbo73]

They get to represent their people when they play for Australia.

This is picking a team based on race and then playing another team who aupposedly represents the rest of the world.

Get rid of this ridiculous concept.

Scrap it now alright. In an age where racism and segregating people is an unacceptable practice, we play a game that does just that. Most fans don't give a rats about this concept either.

 

[magpie4ever]

Whilst I'm not going to get in on the semantics of the valve of the game and selections etc, can I just say the "smart-arse" on field interviews by Fittler were absolutely pathetic and bring the game into disrepute (embarrassing)

He, Johns and possibly Lockyer need to go. Channel 9 is pitiful in its coverage.

 

[unforgiven]

Half your luck. Heard Angus is making an appearance....let us know

The show was a lot better than I expected, I was worried about Axl not being able to hold up. It was a really good concert and yes Angus made an appearance and performed 3 songs with them. All up a 2hr 45min show that I would pay to see again. Not the best concert I have seen, though I have seen a lot of shows over the years but a long way from the worst. Highlights were the hits, especially November Rain, Axl really shone on this, Patience and of course Sweet Child of mine. Lowlights were the songs from Chinese Democracy, and of course I wake up with the god awful better stuck in my head.

 

[unforgiven]

Racism and nationalism have a lot in common. Nations are also a social construct. Outside of war they serve no real purpose.

That's the point I am trying to make, if selecting a team based off Aboriginality is racist, so is selecting one of nationality.

I have also never heard one player object to being selected for the aboriginal team or for not being selected due to not being aboriginal.

 

[myrrh ken]

Racism and nationalism have a lot in common. Nations are also a social construct. Outside of war they serve no real purpose.

Rugby league is a fugging social construct. So let's do away with it too

 

[siv]

The match highlights an opportunity to celebrate culture

Like many have said the issue is who do they play ?

As the opposition has no meaning

During GF week we already have the Koori knockout and growing Murri knockout

So maybe it should be a SOO style Koori v Murri or North & West indigenous nations v South nations match with NRL stars

 

[Parra]

That's the point I am trying to make, if selecting a team based off Aboriginality is racist, so is selecting one of nationality.

I have also never heard one player object to being selected for the aboriginal team or for not being selected due to not being aboriginal.

Well nations don't typically consist of one 'race'. Citizenship eligibility generally follows different rules and representative eligibility it's own rules. South Africa persisted with a racist national selection policy and were rightly ostracised for it.

 

[unforgiven]

Well nations don't typically consist of one 'race'. Citizenship eligibility generally follows different rules and representative eligibility it's own rules. South Africa persisted with a racist national selection policy and were rightly ostracised for it.

Of course they were they were actually being racist, they were disadvantaging one part of their society because of the colour of their skin, that's the point. No one is being disadvantage because of the indigenous team, it is the Aboriginal people grouping and classifying themselves, not some other group of people who feel they are superior classifying them in this team. They are not being told you have to have your own team because you are not allowed to play with the white people.

 

[Meth]

Scrap it now alright. In an age where racism and segregating people is an unacceptable practice, we play a game that does just that. Most fans don't give a rats about this concept either.

No. It's not discriminatory to give Aboriginals the opportunity to play in a side celebrating their culture. It would be discriminatory if you didn't allow them to also be eligible for the national representative side. One is affording them an opportunity, the other is denying them an opportunity.

But yes, most fans don't give a rats about the game. That's the only real problem here.

 

[Parra]

Discrination is discrimination. You are validating or questioning the motives. Either is discrimination.

 

[Meth]

Discrination is discrimination.

Discrination isn't discrimination, but yes, discrimination is discrimination. That's a truism.

But having an Indigenous Australian side is not discrimination. As it is not discrimination, then...it's...not...discrimination....

 

[Apey]

Im not sure why they changed it from NRL all stars to world all stars. They should bring back the NRL All stars where fans can actually vote on the team. Why they took away the voting process I have no idea

Cause clubs don't want their stars playing.

 

[unforgiven]

Discrination is discrimination. You are validating or questioning the motives. Either is discrimination.

Who is being discriminated against?

 

[I Bleed Maroon]

Who is being discriminated against?

White privilege.

 

[Parra]

Who is being discriminated against?

The negative connotation is your own. Discrimination basically means making a choice based on some defined criteria. In itself it is neither good, bad or indifferent. What you use for the basis for discrimination can matter though - in this case it is perceived race.

Now the motives for doing race based selection in this case are not perceived to be negative to the players, the opposition or to anyone at all really.

Where else though, would you accept selection criteria based on race?

Would you enjoy a native american vs african american game? Native South Africans vs the rest?

Or is this the only race based selection game you enjoy?

 

[ed-grimley]

Who is being discriminated against?

Non-indigenous players can't play for the indigenous side.

 

[unforgiven]

The negative connotation is your own. Discrimination basically means making a choice based on some defined criteria. In itself it is neither good, bad or indifferent. What you use for the basis for discrimination can matter though - in this case it is perceived race.

Now the motives for doing race based selection in this case are not perceived to be negative to the players, the opposition or to anyone at all really.

Where else though, would you accept selection criteria based on race?

Would you enjoy a native american vs african american game? Native South Africans vs the rest?

Or is this the only race based selection game you enjoy?

Enjoy the game, I didn't even watch the game.
See that's the problem, your definition of racism is wrong, you don't understand what you are talking about.

Racism
noun
noun: racism

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
2. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Nowhere does that say the act of classification is racism, and the biggest problem with your argument is this is a self imposed selection criteria. The indigenous community came to the NRL with the idea, this is not racism under the definitions of the word. You can not make words mean what you want them to.

 

[unforgiven]

Non-indigenous players can't play for the indigenous side.

It's best that you turn around and slowly walk away from this argument.

So you are saying that the non-indigenous players are being discriminated against because they can not play for the indigenous side?

Now what I really find worrying about your point of view, and I am not saying that this relates to you in anyway but what usually accompanies the arguments you are pushing is the belief in reverse racism, the belief that is discriminatory for policies and practices be put in place to lift up a group of people who have clear disadvantages to the rest of the community. That it is "unfair" that different people or groups in society get treated differently to overcome systemic disadvantage. People need get past the notion that fairness is everyone getting treated the same way, its not, fairness is everyone getting what they need to succeed.

And I will say once again that I do not think this is your view, but its a claim I've seen others make using your arguments.

 

[ed-grimley]

It's best that you turn around and slowly walk away from this argument.

So you are saying that the non-indigenous players are being discriminated against because they can not play for the indigenous side?

Now what I really find worrying about your point of view, and I am not saying that this relates to you in anyway but what usually accompanies the arguments you are pushing is the belief in reverse racism, the belief that is discriminatory for policies and practices be put in place to lift up a group of people who have clear disadvantages to the rest of the community. That it is "unfair" that different people or groups in society get treated differently to overcome systemic disadvantage. People need get past the notion that fairness is everyone getting treated the same way, its not, fairness is everyone getting what they need to succeed.

And I will say once again that I do not think this is your view, but its a claim I've seen others make using your arguments.

Of course not. I was just highlighting the absurdity of this whole argument.
I am well aware of all the shit that has been heaped on the original owners of this nation. I also think that terra nullius was/is a load of bollocks.
As far as the game goes, I'm for anything that improves the conditions of indigenous Australians - if the game does this it should stay. I also note that players involved are largely positive about the concept.

 

[unforgiven]

Of course not. I was just highlighting the absurdity of this whole argument.
I am well aware of all the shit that has been heaped on the original owners of this nation. I also think that terra nullius was/is a load of bollocks.
As far as the game goes, I'm for anything that improves the conditions of indigenous Australians - if the game does this it should stay. I also note that players involved are largely positive about the concept.

Sorry, I didn't pick up the mordacity in your post, I was in the mindset of arguing with people who find the All Stars racist.