Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

[OldPanther]

Nope, Sam played with heart all the time, he had 3 major knee injuries, Moylans greatest problem is to lazy or hungover to rehab properly, he has wasted his talent

Is that a fact? Do we know how Moylan does his rehab? Still waiting for proof on this beyond random people saw him on the nose beers at the club that time.

 

[Bob]

Is that a fact? Do we know how Moylan does his rehab? Still waiting for proof on this beyond random people saw him on the nose beers at the club that time.

From his time at Penrith, interview with Gus which was widely reported

“Gould rubbished suggestions that Moylan struggled with substance abuse such as alcohol, but admitted the local junior had shown signs of a poor attitude this season.

It was believed the club had grown frustrated with his rehabilitation of a hamstring injury that had troubled him over the second half of the season, sidelining him for their final two games.”

 

[OldPanther]

From his time at Penrith, interview with Gus which was widely reported

“Gould rubbished suggestions that Moylan struggled with substance abuse such as alcohol, but admitted the local junior had shown signs of a poor attitude this season.

It was believed the club had grown frustrated with his rehabilitation of a hamstring injury that had troubled him over the second half of the season, sidelining him for their final two games.”

I appreciate that. Good to have some real evidence. That comes from the end of the 2017 season which supports betcats claim that Moylan went off the rails in that time.

 

[BxTom]

Jarrod Wallace nearly quit football because of Anthony Griffin:

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/03/27/how-bennett-helped-jarrod-wallace-love-football-again/

In the last seven games that he played in 2014 between round 12 and the qualifying final, Wallace didn't play more than 19 minutes in any game and began to seriously doubt whether he had a future in the NRL.
"I was almost ready to quit football there for a bit, I was that unhappy with the way things were happening," Wallace revealed.

"I was down on myself and Wayne came in and built me back up as a player and helped me believe in myself again. He helped me to love football again.

"I was being told that I would get so many minutes and there were games where I was playing only two or three minutes in the back-end.


"It wasn't good. It breaks a person's confidence when that's happening because I started worrying that I wasn't doing the right thing, that I wasn't fit enough. I started doubting everything including my ability to play NRL.

"Wayne came in and we had a good pre-season. He said that he believed in me and that he would give me one game to show him that I could do it."

Moylan's best football was under Griffin. How Griffin got on with Wallace has not necessarily anything to do with how he got on with Moylan. Moylan and Wallace are different people with different personalities. Similar to how you get on with your wife, but not every other woman on the planet. Griffin got on with the vast majority of players under him, even considering that he was known as a hard disciplinarian. Of course it's possible that Griffin, being a disciplinarian, and Moylan had a clash of personalities.

So your argument comes down to Griffin should have altered his game plan to suit Wallace's personal needs ahead of the team's. It was said at the same time in Brisbane that Hook didn't like the other Wallace - Peter. But who was it that helped him re-invent himself at Penrith? Griffin. Pretty vacuous argument.

 

[OldPanther]

Moylan's best football was under Griffin. How Griffin got on with Wallace has not necessarily anything to do with how he got on with Moylan. Moylan and Wallace are different people with different personalities. Similar to how you get on with your wife, but not every other woman on the planet. Griffin got on with the vast majority of players under him, even considering that he was known as a hard disciplinarian. Of course it's possible that Griffin, being a disciplinarian, and Moylan had a clash of personalities.

So your argument comes down to Griffin should have altered his game plan to suit Wallace's personal needs ahead of the team's. It was said at the same time in Brisbane that Hook didn't like the other Wallace - Peter. But who was it that helped him re-invent himself at Penrith? Griffin. Pretty vacuous argument.

Well it isn't my argument it's @betcats so you'll have to see how the story I posted is relevant to him and what he'd argue from it.

 

[GongPanther]

Del.

 

[Kilkenny]

Do we same the same for Sam Mckendry who had recurring injuries? He had himself to blame.

Seriously Old Panther you need to re read my post.

Your reference to Sam Mc Kendry is incredibly insensitive given what he went through three times over.

Matt Moylan hasn’t had to endure anywhere near the pain that Sam went thru which was nothing to do anyway with what I wrote.

In simple terms I was alluding to the fact Matt was a flawed but potential genius who didn’t hit the heights he should have, nothing more nothing less.

 

[OldPanther]

Seriously Old Panther you need to re read my post.

Your reference to Sam Mc Kendry is incredibly insensitive given what he went through three times over.

Matt Moylan hasn’t had to endure anywhere near the pain that Sam went thru which was nothing to do anyway with what I wrote.

In simple terms I was alluding to the fact Matt was a flawed but potential genius who didn’t hit the heights he should have, nothing more nothing less.

It's not incentive at all. You blamed a player for having recurring injuries which is much worse than what I did.

 

[Kilkenny]

Do we same the same for Sam Mckendry who had recurring injuries? He had himself to blame.

It's not incentive at all. You blamed a player for having recurring injuries which is much worse than what I did.

I think when the dust settles on his career Matt Moylan may look back on reflection and be disappointed he didn’t achieve more with his undoubted talent. Shame because he was capable of some real special moments of brilliance but just not enough often enough. I think for the most part he only has himself to blame for not reaching the level he could have.

Please re read what I have written above.. Where is there any reference to injury.

How can you possibly introduce the trauma suffered by Sam McKendry over three knee reconstructions in any way relative to the largely positive comments I have made about Matt Moylan.

Matt Moylan didn’t or hasn’t achieved what he was capable off and that is a fact regardless of who is most to blame which has been the subject of much debate in the last couple of pages of this thread.

Sam McKendry was a victim of three horrific knee ACL injuries. How you can possibly draw any comparison between the two on what I wrote about Matt Moylan is hugely insensitive and disrespectful to Sam McKendry.

 

[OldPanther]

Please re read what I have written above.. Where is there any reference to injury.

How can you possibly introduce the trauma suffered by Sam McKendry over three knee reconstructions in any way relative to the largely positive comments I have made about Matt Moylan.

Matt Moylan didn’t or hasn’t achieved what he was capable off and that is a fact regardless of who is most to blame which has been the subject of much debate in the last couple of pages of this thread.

Sam McKendry was a victim of three horrific knee ACL injuries. How you can possibly draw any comparison between the two on what I wrote about Matt Moylan is hugely insensitive and disrespectful to Sam McKendry.

Because the only thing holding Moylan back is recurring injuries. Maybe you think there's another reason.

 

[franklin2323]

Because the only thing holding Moylan back is recurring injuries. Maybe you think there's another reason.

inconsistency is what held Moylan back.

 

[Kilkenny]

Because the only thing holding Moylan back is recurring injuries. Maybe you think there's another reason.

Seriously mate your man love for Matt Moylan is clouding your judgement.

There were many reasons which held back Matt Moylans career, most of which were self inflicted.

For mine if the going ever got tough in life well I would rather be in the trenches Sam McKendry every day of the week before Matt Moylan and I think he has demonstrated his dedication and toughness over his journey in the last four to five years.

My original post was was largely talking up Matt Moylan and was never intended to offend nor was it designed to invoke argument albeit you seem to have taken exception.

For reasons that escape me you brought Sam McKendry into the equation and from that point you have stirred up emotions in me that make carry on this issue.

Sam McKendry is the embodiment of what a true Panther should be and is and that is something Matt Moylan never was.

For the record I don’t know Sam that well although I am a former work mate and friend of his brother in law. I have some understanding of the pain Sam went through over the course of his rehab during his three ACL injuries.

You are a valued member of this forum and I truly respect most of what you have to say and do on here but in this instance you are way of the mark.

 

[OldPanther]

Seriously mate your man love for Matt Moylan is clouding your judgement.

There were many reasons which held back Matt Moylans career, most of which were self inflicted.

For mine if the going ever got tough in life well I would rather be in the trenches Sam McKendry every day of the week before Matt Moylan and I think he has demonstrated his dedication and toughness over his journey in the last four to five years.

My original post was was largely talking up Matt Moylan and was never intended to offend nor was it designed to invoke argument albeit you seem to have taken exception.

For reasons that escape me you brought Sam McKendry into the equation and from that point you have stirred up emotions in me that make carry on this issue.

Sam McKendry is the embodiment of what a true Panther should be and is and that is something Matt Moylan never was.

For the record I don’t know Sam that well although I am a former work mate and friend of his brother in law. I have some understanding of the pain Sam went through over the course of his rehab during his three ACL injuries.

You are a valued member of this forum and I truly respect most of what you have to say and do on here but in this instance you are way of the mark.

I might be way off I always accept that when engaging in any conversation here.

I connected them because I see his issue as being injury. If Moylan wasn't injured regularly he'd be in the elite category in my opinion. So if someone says he has himself to blame I see it as saying the same about anyone who's had injuries. The severity of said injuries never entered my mind honestly since it's a separate thing to me. If we were comparing the two then I'd obviously say Mckendry had it worse and is an inspiration with how he came back mentally and physically.

 

[betcats]

It was betcats that raised the false argument to support his assertions, not somebody else. So it's the fact that he cannot accurately support his own argument that people pointed out and that is relevant. If he can't stand by his argument, that's a pointer that he doesn't know the facts as much as he argues.

False argument hahaha you muppet go back and read the comment of yours I quoted when I said it if you want to see a false argument, are you kidding?
Griffin fell out with numerous players in his time before Moylan, I remembered that fact correctly.

 

[mxlegend99]

Griffin pissed off players and coaching staff at both Broncos and Panthers. Its not often players want to put the boot into a coach yet he had many lined up ready to do it.

Funnily enough we replaced him with a coach who did the same to his former club. Although the way Ivan dogged the Tigers ofcourse they would be filthy on him. Griffin made enemies through his personality and the way he did his job.

 

[Luke Bowden]

I might be way off I always accept that when engaging in any conversation here.

I connected them because I see his issue as being injury. If Moylan wasn't injured regularly he'd be in the elite category in my opinion. So if someone says he has himself to blame I see it as saying the same about anyone who's had injuries. The severity of said injuries never entered my mind honestly since it's a separate thing to me. If we were comparing the two then I'd obviously say Mckendry had it worse and is an inspiration with how he came back mentally and physically.

Sammy Mack / Peter Wallace = Hard Core Panther Men, they’d do what ever they could for the team.

Moyza = Very talented, shit work ethic which always hampers his recovery from injury. He can stay with the Sharks.

 

[franklin2323]

I might be way off I always accept that when engaging in any conversation here.

I connected them because I see his issue as being injury. If Moylan wasn't injured regularly he'd be in the elite category in my opinion. So if someone says he has himself to blame I see it as saying the same about anyone who's had injuries. The severity of said injuries never entered my mind honestly since it's a separate thing to me. If we were comparing the two then I'd obviously say Mckendry had it worse and is an inspiration with how he came back mentally and physically.

The type of injuries matter though. Some injuries can be minimised hammy’s calves etc fall into this category... Which is what Moylan seems always have

 

[BxTom]

Griffin pissed off players and coaching staff at both Broncos and Panthers. Its not often players want to put the boot into a coach yet he had many lined up ready to do it.

Funnily enough we replaced him with a coach who did the same to his former club. Although the way Ivan dogged the Tigers ofcourse they would be filthy on him. Griffin made enemies through his personality and the way he did his job.

So who are these players? Segs? Sacked for asscociating with Crims after policew warning. Who else? Name them.

 

[Dave's mate]

Its no secret that Griffin is a f**kwit.

 

[franklin2323]

Its no secret that Griffin is a f**kwit.

Most coaches are though