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Rumoured and Confirmed signings - Part 4

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franklin2323

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I understand what you're saying here but just maybe the club doesn't want to get burned overestimating the salary cap for next year as Gus did prior to his leaving
"copied the article below which says anywhere from 6 to 7% will be cut from the cap"

The entire NRL playing fraternity is set to forfeit nearly $20 million across the next two seasons, according to The Sydney Morning Herald‘s Christian Nicolussi.

With the six-month standoff between parties close to ceasing, Nicolussi has reported that NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo notified clubs last Sunday that an agreement with the Rugby League Player’s Association was imminent.

Nicolussi believes an official agreement with be finalised by the beginning of next week.

The negotiations between representative bodies commenced after the players agreed upon the necessity of said pay cuts due to the financial decimation of COVID-19.


According to Nicolussi, the RLPA opened negotiations with the proposal of a 2.5 per cent reduction, following players forgoing 48 per cent of their wages for the final five months of the season and 20 percent for the full 12 months.

League bosses countered with a 10 per cent cull that was rebuked, before offering a 7.5 per cent chop that was again rejected by the player’s union.

Nicolussi explained that sources privy to the back and forth negotiations believe that the finalised reduction is likely to close between six and seven per cent.

The impending agreement comes after it was reported each of the sixteen clubs has paid their playing rosters in full for the month of November, with the this set to repeat for December.

Player salaries are understood to have previously sat around the $320 million mark, but with a six or seven per cent cut, $19 and $22 million respectively will be removed.

After Origin representatives took a one third pay cut this season – down from $30,000 per game to $10,000 – the RLPA is aware that retirement, injury and hardship funds have already been affected.

Future Origin and World Cup representatives are also likely to have their wages slashed as well. However, no agreement on this matter has been reached as of yet.

It isn’t just the players that have voluntarily lightened their pockets, with Nicolussi reporting that the NRL has cut nearly $50 million from their budget.

With the aforementioned agreement imminent, clubs soon will be able to begin planning for 2022 and beyond.

ARL commissioner Peter V’Landys has also previously stated that playing rosters will remain at 30 to fairly spread the impending wage dip across the league.

“We’re there for all players, not just a few. There is 30 and we will continue it at 30”, V’Landys explained on Channel 9 earlier in the year.

“There will be a small reduction in the salary cap. I think our reduction will be the least of any sport. As a boy from Wollongong, I’ll be looking after all of them. I take pride in looking after the battler.”

One of a few things out of the clubs hand which made this year a bad one to re-sign players easily
 

Kilkenny

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Here we go again, you stating that you know the cap space, and signing information.

Jane, my post you refer to has nothing to do with me knowing anything about anything.

I am expressing an opinion around our club assembling a really good roster, a squad of players, not just a top 17, but an overall squad which got us to a GF in 2020.

Maybe you are not able to grasp the concept, I don’t know, but for me personally I loved the squad of players who got us to the GF.

In an ideal world I would have loved to retain them all and had the same squad for 2021 but I am realistic enough to recognise that is unrealistic and impossible.

All I have ever said is we should been in a position to have must keeps locked up well before November 1 which we have failed dismally, despite having allowed a lot of players to leave prior to the GF and post GF.

Please allow me to have my own personal opinion that our recruitment and retention is not as good as it could or should have been

We should have done better which is all I have ever said.
 

MugaB

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Jane, my post you refer to has nothing to do with me knowing anything about anything.

I am expressing an opinion around our club assembling a really good roster, a squad of players, not just a top 17, but an overall squad which got us to a GF in 2020.

Maybe you are not able to grasp the concept, I don’t know, but for me personally I loved the squad of players who got us to the GF.

In an ideal world I would have loved to retain them all and had the same squad for 2021 but I am realistic enough to recognise that is unrealistic and impossible.

All I have ever said is we should been in a position to have must keeps locked up well before November 1 which we have failed dismally, despite having allowed a lot of players to leave prior to the GF and post GF.

Please allow me to have my own personal opinion that our recruitment and retention is not as good as it could or should have been

We should have done better which is all I have ever said.
As long as Yeo and Luai are extended, im happy, and I'll be happy if the rest who aren't signed up, sign up! If they don't then screw em!, im happy with the retention squad, its not like you can keep everyone on the same rate, i mean we made a GF with a squad of newbies, they'll all have to get upgrades
 

Jane Murray

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Jane, my post you refer to has nothing to do with me knowing anything about anything.

I am expressing an opinion around our club assembling a really good roster, a squad of players, not just a top 17, but an overall squad which got us to a GF in 2020.

Maybe you are not able to grasp the concept, I don’t know, but for me personally I loved the squad of players who got us to the GF.

In an ideal world I would have loved to retain them all and had the same squad for 2021 but I am realistic enough to recognise that is unrealistic and impossible.

All I have ever said is we should been in a position to have must keeps locked up well before November 1 which we have failed dismally, despite having allowed a lot of players to leave prior to the GF and post GF.

Please allow me to have my own personal opinion that our recruitment and retention is not as good as it could or should have been

We should have done better which is all I have ever said.

I get it, you're a debbie downer. Lol.
 

Kilkenny

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I get it, you're a debbie downer. Lol.

Quite sad you feel that way.

I’ve followed our club since 1970 when as a ten year old my family moved into South Penrith.

Follow our team home and away, brought our three kids up as Panther fans even if the middle son for no good reason other than he liked a certain Sharks player decided to change allegiances to support the Sharks. Still hurts me to this day.

You can laugh out all you like I guess but it is somewhat disappointing. By all means have a different opinion to mine but to question my loyalty to the Panthers is sad.
 

Aliceinwonderland

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I’m kind of surprised you take the position you do Alice as a very long time Panthers fan.

We only ever had but a few really good squads in our history and this current squad is clearly one of them.

it really isn’t about the sky falling in, or the fact we can’t hang onto all our juniors which we know only too well.

I think the issue is more about how we got ourselves into the position we currently find ourselves in and I acknowledge part of our woes relate to paying significant sums to players contracts who are no longer with us.

Surely our management could have foresaw the risks involved in allowing players to go onto the open market and we could or should have been more proactive in getting them signed up before November 1.

From my perspective we surely should have had certain players locked up as priority re-signings and the fact we didn’t is disappointing, even more so if they actually do leave to add to those who have already departed.





Me being a long time Panther fan has nothing to do with my opinion.

Even if I started to follow Penrith 6 months it doesn't make my opinion any less valid.


The salary cao still hasn't been confirmed for 2021. Some clubs (if they chose to overestimate to cap) could find themselves in a pickle. Gus did this I believe last time the cap was done. It caused issues.

Like you I would have liked to see Crighton re-sign some months ago. I do get the feeling their is a small circus about his person (it arrived mid year) when he began to show his wares. Yep I know I sound harsh but I've seen it all before.....Frank Pitchard springs to mind.

I'm not able to blame the club for Crighton not re-signing, the club doing the right thing by him and waiting for the new manager. Stephen your talk doesn't match your walk in all of this. 'To thine own self be true'.

So I don't blame the Crighton situation on the club. Besides putting him chained up in a darkened room and forcing him to sign, what else could they do ?

Lenui I have no opinion on yet. I've seen players like him come into NRL look wonderful and fade very quickly like a shooting star. I wouldn't be paying overs for him.....Cartwright ring any bells ?

I think Yeo and Lui will re-sign in due time.

I don't have much time for folks who say one thing and then do another. Whether they are footballers or not.
 

Jane Murray

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Quite sad you feel that way.

I’ve followed our club since 1970 when as a ten year old my family moved into South Penrith.

Follow our team home and away, brought our three kids up as Panther fans even if the middle son for no good reason other than he liked a certain Sharks player decided to change allegiances to support the Sharks. Still hurts me to this day.

You can laugh out all you like I guess but it is somewhat disappointing. By all means have a different opinion to mine but to question my loyalty to the Panthers is sad.

I actually did not question your loyalty. You are reading things that are not there.
 

Kilkenny

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Me being a long time Panther fan has nothing to do with my opinion.

Even if I started to follow Penrith 6 months it doesn't make my opinion any less valid.


The salary cao still hasn't been confirmed for 2021. Some clubs (if they chose to overestimate to cap) could find themselves in a pickle. Gus did this I believe last time the cap was done. It caused issues.

Like you I would have liked to see Crighton re-sign some months ago. I do get the feeling their is a small circus about his person (it arrived mid year) when he began to show his wares. Yep I know I sound harsh but I've seen it all before.....Frank Pitchard springs to mind.

I'm not able to blame the club for Crighton not re-signing, the club doing the right thing by him and waiting for the new manager. Stephen your talk doesn't match your walk in all of this. 'To thine own self be true'.

So I don't blame the Crighton situation on the club. Besides putting him chained up in a darkened room and forcing him to sign, what else could they do ?

Lenui I have no opinion on yet. I've seen players like him come into NRL look wonderful and fade very quickly like a shooting star. I wouldn't be paying overs for him.....Cartwright ring any bells ?

I think Yeo and Lui will re-sign in due time.

I don't have much time for folks who say one thing and then do another. Whether they are footballers or not.

Alice did you read my post. Did you read what I was saying.

Can you grasp the words kind of surprised as from my position those words do not constitute you are wrong and I am right.
 

Aliceinwonderland

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Alice did you read my post. Did you read what I was saying.

Can you grasp the words kind of surprised as from my position those words do not constitute you are wrong and I am right.






This is going round and round in circles.

We are never going to keep all our juniors. It's just not possible.

The club has been attempting to re-sign Crighton since early 2020. Crighton has been the one stalling not the club.
 

franklin2323

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Well said Franklin.

Now there is an impartial, well balanced post if ever there was one.

No agendas, just Franklin telling it as it is.

Thanks for reminding me, I’m still gutted we made the eight.

I made a balanced post a few pages back

Care to enlighten how things should of been done different? What basis do you use
 

Jane Murray

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This is going round and round in circles.

We are never going to keep all our juniors. It's just not possible.

The club has been attempting to re-sign Crighton since early 2020. Crighton has been the one stalling not the club.

Remember, Aliceinwonderland, Kilkenny thinks he is right, and only his opinion that matters.
 

MugaB

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I made a balanced post a few pages back

Care to enlighten how things should of been done different? What basis do you use
I make balanced posts all the time,
Unfortunately they get overridden by the howling crys of negative so called "panther fans" who rather pile crap on the clubs management rather than accept that our senior playing group need upgrades to stay senior, and those on the cusp juniors or extremely seniors have to move on, its just facts of living within the salary cap
 
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