Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

[siv]

Is the venue grass or astro turf?

 

[Colk]

Perhaps then he can condemn fumbleball taking games to China then.

Why would he have to? You would be condemning pretty much nearly every industry since China opened up their economy in the late eighties. They have all gone over there because the size of the potential market.

I would say that fumbleball going over there was stupid rather than question the ethics of it.

 

[RL The greatest game]

Why would he have to? You would be condemning pretty much nearly every industry since China opened up their economy in the late eighties. They have all gone over there because the size of the potential market.

I would say that fumbleball going over there was stupid rather than question the ethics of it.

Fumbleball has no ethics when it comes to money. They they would even go and play games in Russia if the money was right. Ethics and fumbleball is a perfect example of a oxymoron

 

[taipan]

And he lost $100mill plus in annual tv revenue.maybe he should have been looking at home rather than Vegas?

let’s see how long it lasts. If that investment is right, and I have serious doubts, it’d require Americans to betting hundred million plus on nrl games to get a $10-20mill return for the game. Gonna take a lot of years to recoup $200mill. But like I said nrl doesn’t have that much to invest so I’m taking it with the usual large news ltd pinch of salt,

You say he lost that figure other PVL cynics agree . Others disagree with that viewpoint.In terms of when it was negotiated and when it falls due and what monies Fox put in for the additional team.
And continuing to compare AFL (plums) with NRL (apples) is a waste off space, anyone in marketing looks at ad revenue and ad exposure time wise.You get better deals when more ads are available. Advtg revenue pays Tv bills.
The current deal expires at an opportune time for negotiating the next one.And I'll bet both my left and right one, we'll have 18 teams on which to negotiate.
We knew how Dave Smith liked to spend on entertainment.The numbers travelling other than pleb class on planes is very small now, under PVL.
Well we looked at home in 1995 and the rug was pulled under the RL's feet thanks to Murdoch.How much did that cost the code? The ARL had estimated by some in the press at the time $25m in 1995.That's nearly 30 years ago, money doubling every 10 years is a rule off thumb guideline.How much would we have now ,and who would still been the comp? And we may have money toward contributing to new stadiums or assets.
You are assuming it's betting money only from the Viva La Vegas exercise. We need to look at potential sponsors over there, any Pay Tv deals via Fox, attendees ticket sales and the big unknown impact on growing the game via potential owners .
PVL outdid the Melbourne Cup in terms of prize money.He's hardly an amateur dealing with monied business types with the wagering industry and media.
The thing is the actual deal has not been spelt out other than its a goer. I remember when SOO was first mooted the number of people said it wouldn't work, players would not take it that seriously.Artie Beetson soon changed their minds with a bit of wham bam.
You see in business people take risks.If they didn't we'd be running out in horse and carts.That's why I don't knock initiative and certainly any attempt to grow the game and interest outside of the usual areas.

 

[Perth Red]

You say he lost that figure other PVL cynics agree . Others disagree with that viewpoint.In terms of when it was negotiated and when it falls due and what monies Fox put in for the additional team.
And continuing to compare AFL (plums) with NRL (apples) is a waste off space, anyone in marketing looks at ad revenue and ad exposure time wise.You get better deals when more ads are available. Advtg revenue pays Tv bills.
The current deal expires at an opportune time for negotiating the next one.And I'll bet both my left and right one, we'll have 18 teams on which to negotiate.
We knew how Dave Smith liked to spend on entertainment.The numbers travelling other than pleb class on planes is very small now, under PVL.
Well we looked at home in 1995 and the rug was pulled under the RL's feet thanks to Murdoch.How much did that cost the code? The ARL had estimated by some in the press at the time $25m in 1995.That's nearly 30 years ago, money doubling every 10 years is a rule off thumb guideline.How much would we have now ,and who would still been the comp? And we may have money toward contributing to new stadiums or assets.
You are assuming it's betting money only from the Viva La Vegas exercise. We need to look at potential sponsors over there, any Pay Tv deals via Fox, attendees ticket sales and the big unknown impact on growing the game via potential owners .
PVL outdid the Melbourne Cup in terms of prize money.He's hardly an amateur dealing with monied business types with the wagering industry and media.
The thing is the actual deal has not been spelt out other than its a goer. I remember when SOO was first mooted the number of people said it wouldn't work, players would not take it that seriously.Artie Beetson soon changed their minds with a bit of wham bam.
You see in business people take risks.If they didn't we'd be running out in horse and carts.That's why I don't knock initiative and certainly any attempt to grow the game and interest outside of the usual areas.

On the first part we’ve been over those excuses ad nauseum. The afl has traditionally had around 10-15% larger tv deal than nrl, with more nrl content and a supposedly valuable second brisbane side he managed to allow them to widen that gap to nearer 40% in 2025!

yeh by all means take risks, but one’s that actually are likely to grow the game. if this does anything to grow the game I’ll happily eat my hat. but yeh let’s pss away the games money whilst slashing grass roots funding and still having a pathetic asset base despite billions of $’s revenue in last ten years, because you never know.……..

 

[Colk]

Fumbleball has no ethics when it comes to money. They they would even go and play games in Russia if the money was right. Ethics and fumbleball is a perfect example of a oxymoron

Meh. I think the ethical argument is very weak. As I said, if you are going to go down that route you would launch the same argument against every industry you can think of because they have all set up businesses in China and some have made huge amounts of money. Also, how far do we go: Do we not trade at all with China? Also let’s not kid ourselves: If RL got any traction in China, PVL and Abdo would try and set up games over there tomorrow.

The fumblers were foolish because how were they going to market their stupid game to Chinese people. It bears no resemblance to any of their sports plus you have the cultural differences to overcome. Not saying that this Las Vegas excursion is 100% positive but it would be at least easier to sell League to Americans: it bears similarities to sports they know and Australia and America have a closer cultural relationship

 

[Perth Red]

Meh. I think the ethical argument is very weak. As I said, if you are going to go down that route you would launch the same argument against every industry you can think of because they have all set up businesses in China and some have made huge amounts of money. Also, how far do we go: Do we not trade at all with China? Also let’s not kid ourselves: If RL got any traction in China, PVL and Abdo would try and set up games over there tomorrow.

The fumblers were foolish because how were they going to market their stupid game to Chinese people. It bears no resemblance to any of their sports plus you have the cultural differences to overcome. Not saying that this Las Vegas excursion is 100% positive but it would be at least easier to sell League to Americans: it bears similarities to sports they know and Australia and America have a closer cultural relationship

Yeh we might succeed where much bigger sports have struggled to make hardly a dent in the American sporting landscape despite decades and a shed load of investment, you know given our amazing track record in growing rl beyond its traditional heartlands And all lol.

 

[Iamback]

If the NRL have signed up a deal with no venue, no draw and no teams then they are a worse operator then anyone could foresee.

I suspect Fox are using the word deal interchangeably with "still finalising".

The teams are widely known

2nd point the article states every team will get a game over the 5 year period.

I know you like to be negative but a time and a place for that. The details aren't even known and you are already finding fault in it

 

[Iamback]

You say he lost that figure other PVL cynics agree . Others disagree with that viewpoint.In terms of when it was negotiated and when it falls due and what monies Fox put in for the additional team.
And continuing to compare AFL (plums) with NRL (apples) is a waste off space, anyone in marketing looks at ad revenue and ad exposure time wise.You get better deals when more ads are available. Advtg revenue pays Tv bills.
The current deal expires at an opportune time for negotiating the next one.And I'll bet both my left and right one, we'll have 18 teams on which to negotiate.
We knew how Dave Smith liked to spend on entertainment.The numbers travelling other than pleb class on planes is very small now, under PVL.
Well we looked at home in 1995 and the rug was pulled under the RL's feet thanks to Murdoch.How much did that cost the code? The ARL had estimated by some in the press at the time $25m in 1995.That's nearly 30 years ago, money doubling every 10 years is a rule off thumb guideline.How much would we have now ,and who would still been the comp? And we may have money toward contributing to new stadiums or assets.
You are assuming it's betting money only from the Viva La Vegas exercise. We need to look at potential sponsors over there, any Pay Tv deals via Fox, attendees ticket sales and the big unknown impact on growing the game via potential owners .
PVL outdid the Melbourne Cup in terms of prize money.He's hardly an amateur dealing with monied business types with the wagering industry and media.
The thing is the actual deal has not been spelt out other than its a goer. I remember when SOO was first mooted the number of people said it wouldn't work, players would not take it that seriously.Artie Beetson soon changed their minds with a bit of wham bam.
You see in business people take risks.If they didn't we'd be running out in horse and carts.That's why I don't knock initiative and certainly any attempt to grow the game and interest outside of the usual areas.

I had tried to explain that too him, You are really wasting your breath

 

[Iamback]

Meh. I think the ethical argument is very weak. As I said, if you are going to go down that route you would launch the same argument against every industry you can think of because they have all set up businesses in China and some have made huge amounts of money. Also, how far do we go: Do we not trade at all with China? Also let’s not kid ourselves: If RL got any traction in China, PVL and Abdo would try and set up games over there tomorrow.

The fumblers were foolish because how were they going to market their stupid game to Chinese people. It bears no resemblance to any of their sports plus you have the cultural differences to overcome. Not saying that this Las Vegas excursion is 100% positive but it would be at least easier to sell League to Americans: it bears similarities to sports they know and Australia and America have a closer cultural relationship

Cannon-Brookes part owns Souths and the Utah Jazz. There is enough guys that know the US market to possibly make it a success.

As I said, Better to try it then the $200m line the players and clubs pockets

 

[Perth Red]

Cannon-Brookes part owns Souths and the Utah Jazz. There is enough guys that know the US market to possibly make it a success.

As I said, Better to try it then the $200m line the players and clubs pockets

Or better to spend that $200mill actually growing the game? Sht buying another ten hotels would be a better outcome Lol

as it’s Vegas what do you think the odds would be of nrl getting a foothold in usa based on one event a year for 5 years?

 

[Colk]

Yeh we might succeed where much bigger sports have struggled to make hardly a dent in the American sporting landscape despite decades and a shed load of investment, you know given our amazing track record in growing rl beyond its traditional heartlands And all lol.

I didn’t suggest we would succeed. It’s not going to take over America (you and I both know that) and it’s all about gambling markets anyway. All my post suggested is that it would be easier to sell League/cricket (insert any British sport actually) to an American than it would be selling fumbleball/league/cricket etc to a Chinese person. America is very difficult sure but China is a nigh on impossibility. There is a lot more cultural similarities between Britain/Australia and America then there obviously is with China. You also don’t have to get approval from their government as you would with the Chinese - there are some interesting articles about cricket in China and the Chinese government refusing to invest in any sport unless it is an Olympic sport. If you don’t see or want to argue that then that’s fine.

Also for once maybe you can just look at things outside of the league/Perth prism that you do. Not everything is about league and its position in Perth you know.

 

[Wb1234]

Funny those same twats were anti Redcliffe, Magic Round and so on.

As for the proposal, exactly any number of C grade celebrities/Athletes with a profile that love the game.

Off the Top of my head.

An ex Rabbitohs NYC player, played in the Super Bowl.

UFC have Bam Bam ( an lower grader at Penrith and Roosters), owns a brewery with Cleary

Volk - another former player

Both have contacts to sponsors etc.

Jim Jefferies - Has committed to putting money into the Bears if they get up.

Tim Tzuyzu had a world title fight against an American - promoted by George Rose.

Patty Mills loves the Broncos.

Murdoch - we know Fox's reach.

Then of course Rusty Crowe is known.

I am sure guys like Nick Politis, Cannon-Brooks and others have business links.

It isn't going to be big or anything.

Take Samoa in the World Cup, We saw particularly mormons in the US getting behind them.

Now if a few sponsors get on board through exposure, Maybe a small TV deal for tests.

Even something like $2m a year, It is huge for the game but still very very small on the US Sport scale.

That to me is the aim, Get a very very small piece of the pie but for the game is huge moving forward

That’s a good point about Jordan matula or whatever his surname is

rusty Crowe and the wolfman will get this publicity

the same idiots who said the dolphins wouldn’t be a success are saying this will be a flop too

hilarious seeing their anti rl comments

 

[Pneuma]

I didn’t suggest we would succeed. It’s not going to take over America (you and I both know that) and it’s all about gambling markets anyway. All my post suggested is that it would be easier to sell League/cricket (insert any British sport actually) to an American than it would be selling fumbleball/league/cricket etc to a Chinese person. America is very difficult sure but China is a nigh on impossibility. There is a lot more cultural similarities between Britain/Australia and America then there obviously is with China. You also don’t have to get approval from their government as you would with the Chinese - there are some interesting articles about cricket in China and the Chinese government refusing to invest in any sport unless it is an Olympic sport. If you don’t see or want to argue that then that’s fine.

Also for once maybe you can just look at things outside of the league/Perth prism that you do. Not everything is about league and its position in Perth you know.

Last paragraph is gold but wasted on this miserable insular human.

 

[Colk]

Last paragraph is gold but wasted on this miserable insular human.

I’m actually very pro Perth but not everything is about that. If this adventure makes money for the game then they should do it.

This also doesn’t preclude them from expanding into Perth, NZ or anywhere else.

 

[Iamback]

That’s a good point about Jordan matula or whatever his surname is

rusty Crowe and the wolfman will get this publicity

the same idiots who said the dolphins wouldn’t be a success are saying this will be a flop too

hilarious seeing their anti rl comments

Souths and Manly are 2 of the clubs involved for that reason.

Storm and Broncos the other 2 because are from a big city.

Brookes-Cannon's NBA side is 5 hour drive away, Utah also had some support for Samoa in the World Cup. Nevada also is apparently after sport content that they are chipping in for events. hence the F1 race that is there.

Getting publicity won't be the issue, Getting locals to want to pay for it is.

Certainly is too soon to say it will work but plenty of good things to say it is possible. You can tell instantly those posters to shut these things down

 

[Iamback]

I’m actually very pro Perth but not everything is about that. If this adventure makes money for the game then they should do it.

This also doesn’t preclude them from expanding into Perth, NZ or anywhere else.

If anything it helps, The game needs money.

Some rich guy might see this and want to get involved with a club or fund a WC, For many over there $20m is chump change but that would fund Samoa for 10 years.

That is really the best you will get, Isn't like RL will ever be more of a niche sport. Hell likely won't even be in the top 50 sports over there.

Aust and RL as a whole is a very small fish so anything into the game is a bonus

 

[Iamback]

Or better to spend that $200mill actually growing the game? Sht buying another ten hotels would be a better outcome Lol

as it’s Vegas what do you think the odds would be of nrl getting a foothold in usa based on one event a year for 5 years?

The game is growing but there is a limit to Australia.

Take TV money. You have maybe 20% of the country that likes sport. That is 4 million people.

From that depending on where they are born cricket or soccer are likely to be 1st choice. So they subscribe to optus etc.

So it will get to the stage where the local market hits the wall, If you can counter that with external money that allows the sport to continue growing.

The aim and hope is to make money on that. If that $200m turns in to $300m over that time and keeps making money longer term then it is money well spent

 

[Mr. Shaman]

If anything it helps, The game needs money.

Some rich guy might see this and want to get involved with a club or fund a WC, For many over there $20m is chump change but that would fund Samoa for 10 years.

That is really the best you will get, Isn't like RL will ever be more of a niche sport. Hell likely won't even be in the top 50 sports over there.

Aust and RL as a whole is a very small fish so anything into the game is a bonus

Proud Samoan man Dwayne Johnson talking about spending millions buying a fifth tier English soccer club. He would’ve been the one to marinate.

 

[Perth Red]

Some rich guy might see this and want to get involved with a club or fund a WC,

wow sounds a great bases for a $200 mill investment, might as well head into one of the casinos and put it all on red lol

let’s be real for a minute, america has a strong motorsport following and history. F1 and Indy car are very close to ech other. F1 is spending many hundreds of millions of $’s to try and break into the American market.
the odds of rl becoming popular in America, or even having some sort of niche following that leads to reasonable revenue is slimmer than walking out of vegas with money in your pocket.

I’m All for expansion and growth but spend your money where it’s likely to return dividends.