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1st Test: Australia v Pakistan @ Optus Stadium Perth, Dec 14-18 2023

Bazal

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Look I like a bit of venom in the deck and I think Pakistan batted like spuds, which made it look worse...but the groundskeepers might be lucky this didn't go into day 5
 

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Whilst it is a great effort for Lyon to have played 123 tests, it needs to be said that in the post-Warne era, there were several spinners during 2007-11 more talented than Lyon that unfortunately didn't get the support of Ponting and the selectors, and subsequently got tossed out like a used rubber the moment they faltered. Had Lyon debuted during 2007-10 during Ponting's captaincy, his international career would've gone the same way as Krezja/Doherty/Hauritz et al.


Lyon got lucky that he burst onto the scene once Ponting was out of the way (in terms of captaincy) and Clarke was captain during Lyon's debut. The way Clarke used Lyon in attacking situations left Ponting for dead. Lyon took the opportunity with both hands and was the spinner that got the extended run in the test XI
 

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Look I like a bit of venom in the deck and I think Pakistan batted like spuds, which made it look worse...but the groundskeepers might be lucky this didn't go into day 5
And I don't think it was even that hot compared to years gone by at the WACA when you'd see 36+ degree days on end render the pitch a broken mess by day 5 and it would stay lower than a snake's Johnson on day 5.....
 

Chins get the wins

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Whilst it is a great effort for Lyon to have played 123 tests, it needs to be said that in the post-Warne era, there were several spinners during 2007-11 more talented than Lyon that unfortunately didn't get the support of Ponting and the selectors, and subsequently got tossed out like a used rubber the moment they faltered. Had Lyon debuted during 2007-10 during Ponting's captaincy, his international career would've gone the same way as Krezja/Doherty/Hauritz et al.

Lyon got lucky that he burst onto the scene once Ponting was out of the way (in terms of captaincy) and Clarke was captain during Lyon's debut. He took the opportunity with both hands and was the spinner that got the extended run with minimal competition for his spot.
He's better than everyone you just named. People are just jaded because Warne and even Macgill were so good
 

Pippen94

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Whilst it is a great effort for Lyon to have played 123 tests, it needs to be said that in the post-Warne era, there were several spinners during 2007-11 more talented than Lyon that unfortunately didn't get the support of Ponting and the selectors, and subsequently got tossed out like a used rubber the moment they faltered. Had Lyon debuted during 2007-10 during Ponting's captaincy, his international career would've gone the same way as Krezja/Doherty/Hauritz et al.

Lyon got lucky that he burst onto the scene once Ponting was out of the way and Clarke was captain during Lyon's debut. He took the opportunity with both hands and was the spinner that got the extended run with minimal competition for his spot.

None of those guys (Krezja/Doherty/Hauritz) were near as good as Lyon. His overspin makes he effective in Aussie conditions. Krezja bowled too wayward, Xavier darts & better suited to odi's. Hauritz was a smart gameplayer, but without skills of Lyon. You left off one guy who should've played more matches in O'Keefe
 

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Whilst it is a great effort for Lyon to have played 123 tests, it needs to be said that in the post-Warne era, there were several spinners during 2007-11 more talented than Lyon that unfortunately didn't get the support of Ponting and the selectors, and subsequently got tossed out like a used rubber the moment they faltered. Had Lyon debuted during 2007-10 during Ponting's captaincy, his international career would've gone the same way as Krezja/Doherty/Hauritz et al.

Lyon got lucky that he burst onto the scene once Ponting was out of the way (in terms of captaincy) and Clarke was captain during Lyon's debut. He took the opportunity with both hands and was the spinner that got the extended run with minimal competition for his spot.
What happened to Nathan Hauritz still baffles me. He didn't do much wrong and was a decent batsman.

Getting axed for Xavier Doherty because KP had a weakness against left arm spin.

Then the selectors were too stubborn to go back on there mistake and had Smudge and Michael Beer as our spinners in that ashes series at home.

Hauritz never played again.
 

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Nathan Hauritz is sitting at home, quietly wondering what might have been if he'd waxed his scalp, called one of his random straight breaks Geoff, got Matty Wade to give him a funny nickname and walked out on his missus
Think how many wickets Wade cost Lyon!
 
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