Sack Flanagan

[TerraceDragon]

You and others constantly move the goal posts. Earlier in the year you were hoping we'd make the top 8, that won't happen and apparently there is still 'green shoots' which again is just non tangible nonsense like 'development and growth'.

You want to hang your hat on wins against Canberra, Melbourne and Brisbane, as if that is the tell tale sign of improvement?
Great, but how about the losses against some of the worst sides in the competition, we going to pretend that didn't happen?

The facts are, Flanagan like all coaches was employed to get the team winning. In both of his seasons so far we've lost more than we won, so the team is not winning, far from it.

You won't find a coach that has been extended by a club in the modern day after three consecutive seasons with a win loss ratio of less than 50% and Flanagan could very well find himself in that position next season.

Next Season the team has to be in the top 8, no ifs or buts, if that doesn't eventuate, you better get ready to pack his bags fo

Nah. Our very own Nathan Brown was extended at the Knights after back to back wooden spoons!
Going on winning percentages at Penrith you’d rate Anthony Griffin 58% a better coach than Ivan Cleary 45% based on his first stint as Penrith coach!!!

 

[CozDragon]

Yep exactly Illusion. He'll have 10-12 weeks to save his job and rightly so.

From reports of other members on this forum, not so sure that will be the case. It sounds like the club realise the shit they have turned it into and the degree of difficulty it will take to turn it around.
Unless there is a huge fall and we stop being competitive and get smashed each week, I think the club will continue to stick by him.

Don't know whether he is the answer or not, it has been so long without success, I don't know what it would look like for us. Obviously you don't think Flanno is the answer and didn't from the start but who do you honestly think could come in and actually be successful? Not just for the sake of flicking Flanno.

I would take any of Hook, Mary or even Price back if it meant success, but I honestly don't know who could come in and be successful. The likes of Ryles, Walker brothers, Hannay etc could be successful, but no one has a clue in reality and would just be a game of hope with nothing to back it up.

We finally have some stability within the board with Lancaster as chairman over a consistent period, Watson coming in as CEO & Ando as well. Maybe they are the first pieces of the jigsaw needed to bring the club back to being a consistent powerhouse.

 

[possm]

I'd like to see how Flanagan prospers under a new coaching team; Young and Carr gone, and Walker Brothers hired).

No white wanting by Young
Fresh ideas and better defence system

 

[I'm Hornby]

Nah. Our very own Nathan Brown was extended at the Knights after back to back wooden spoons!
Going on winning percentages at Penrith you’d rate Anthony Griffin 58% a better coach than Ivan Cleary 45% based on his first stint as Penrith coach!!!

Fair enough re Browny, however the Knights were 6 wins and 8 losses in June 2018 (very close to 50%) when they 'extended' him and really it was a performance based contract which made it clear they wanted some results.

I don't know where I've ever said you can go back to past coaches at different teams and figure out who's the better coach based on that?

What I have said and do know is that the results under Flanagan, this season especially, are not good enough.

 

[I'm Hornby]

From reports of other members on this forum, not so sure that will be the case. It sounds like the club realise the shit they have turned it into and the degree of difficulty it will take to turn it around.
Unless there is a huge fall and we stop being competitive and get smashed each week, I think the club will continue to stick by him.

Don't know whether he is the answer or not, it has been so long without success, I don't know what it would look like for us. Obviously you don't think Flanno is the answer and didn't from the start but who do you honestly think could come in and actually be successful? Not just for the sake of flicking Flanno.

I would take any of Hook, Mary or even Price back if it meant success, but I honestly don't know who could come in and be successful. The likes of Ryles, Walker brothers, Hannay etc could be successful, but no one has a clue in reality and would just be a game of hope with nothing to back it up.

We finally have some stability within the board with Lancaster as chairman over a consistent period, Watson coming in as CEO & Ando as well. Maybe they are the first pieces of the jigsaw needed to bring the club back to being a consistent powerhouse.

Firstly, I wouldn't take the word of anyone on here as gospel, more often than not they are wrong. You may also be confusing people in the know with a few who continually defend all of the poor results under Flanagan, if you expand your horizons to social media platforms you'll see a lot more supporters are pissed off with Flanagan's tenure and probably a better indication of the mood of the fan base IMHO.
I don't see a scenario were the club will stick by Flanagan if results don't improve and particularly we don't make the 8 next year.
He was given three years and will have to earn an extension from more than just good will, the same opportunity was given to Griffin and how did that work out?

Ultimately we don't know if a new coach would be successful or not, however that's not a reason to stick with the existing coach who isn't getting the results. Do you know of any other clubs that use that logic? If someone isn't performing, they get replaced. If someone's contract is expiring, they need to earn an extension, two pretty common principles of NRL coach and player contracts.

 

[Hound of Dracula]

Love it!

People on this forum "changing the goal posts"

Moving the goalposts is the way to adjust expectations and celebrate small wins when facing difficulties. Like 10 missing from your sub-standard roster?

Essentially, failing to adapt leads to conflict, and a lack of progress. Flanno's not perfect but he has adjusted.

But for some, not changing the goal post is easy when goal posts are based on pure hate!

 

[hook hook]

I think for most to start the season we were full of optimism because at the start of last season we expected the spoon and the coach got us to a position where we almost made finals. Everyone thought there may be a chance we make the 8. However, no one would have thought we were a shoe in. We have had a reality check as the season goes on and although the results aren’t there, we have done a better than good job at improving a side that DESERVES a spoon.
It’s not so much moving the goal posts, it’s accepting the reality that our roster is not good enough to make the finals. On the flip side, if you’re not a dragons supporter, we were for all money getting the spoon this year. That tells me that everyone agrees that we have the worst roster in the comp.
So, while we’re on the topic of reality checks, those who say this year is a fail, it’s time to put your blind hatred over an incident that happened a decade ago aside and accept the fact that the coach has got a bunch of Reggie’s playing well above their weight

 

[Unsainty79]

Flanagan and Young aren't going anywhere, unless by choice. The Club has just landed Anderson, a new CEO has started and they've changed the constitution; which has allowed Lancaster to remain Chair. For the first time in a long time the Club are looking at themselves as the core issue.

 

[I'm Hornby]

So, while we’re on the topic of reality checks, those who say this year is a fail, it’s time to put your blind hatred over an incident that happened a decade ago aside and accept the fact that the coach has got a bunch of Reggie’s playing well above their weight

Agreed, Willie Talau is doing a great job.

 

[I'm Hornby]

Flanagan and Young aren't going anywhere, unless by choice. The Club has just landed Anderson, a new CEO has started and they've changed the constitution; which has allowed Lancaster to remain Chair. For the first time in a long time the Club are looking at themselves as the core issue.

Flanagan's contract as coach expires end of next season. An extension to his contract will not be a tick and flick exercise, he will have to earn it through consistent results which he hasn't managed to do so far.

 

[Draginzaaar]

I'd like to see how Flanagan prospers under a new coaching team; Young and Carr gone, and Walker Brothers hired).

No white wanting by Young
Fresh ideas and better defence system

Have the Walker brothers won anything since that win at Ipswich 500 years ago? Why would anyone sign them?

 

[Lovemedragons]

Flanagan's contract as coach expires end of next season. An extension to his contract will not be a tick and flick exercise, he will have to earn it through consistent results which he hasn't managed to do so far.

The results have been consistent since 2012.

 

[Dorothy the Winowhore]

I am hoping he gets extended before round 1 2026, for a couple of reasons....

1. We need some stability in the joint, and Flanno has the support and respect of the players

2. And more importantly, just to totally piss off the 'haters' in here.

 

[Bayside Dragon]

Yeah, you are

Lol we just chalked up our 7th win in a season where any chance of making the top 8 was gone weeks ago and you come out with this tripe.

Flanagan (which is the correct spelling - would think if you admired him so much you could learn to spell his surname) is still under a lot of pressure and one measly win doesn't change that.

There are plenty of coaches out there who can and would be doing a much better job with our team and hopefully we will get to see this in practice in the next 12-18 months, we have regressed under this coach and the results show that much and more.

Yeah, you're right. There probably are coaches that can do a better job. But none of them wanted to come here!! I don't know what mental health/ memory issues you are dealing with, but can I gently remind you that we tried that approach before Flano. Were you not paying attention?

 

[I'm Hornby]

Yeah, you are

Yeah, you're right. There probably are coaches that can do a better job. But none of them wanted to come here!! I don't know what mental health/ memory issues you are dealing with, but can I gently remind you that we tried that approach before Flano. Were you not paying attention?

Who didn't want to come here?
From memory Ryles was just about a done deal and had a last minute change of heart, for the large part he did want to come.
So who else?

You're also conveniently forgetting that no other club in the NRL wanted to touch Shane Flanagan when it came to a head coaching position. We were the only ones desperate enough to give him a crack and we're now seeing why other clubs were smart enough to leave him in obscurity.

 

[I'm Hornby]

I am hoping he gets extended before round 1 2026, for a couple of reasons....

1. We need some stability in the joint, and Flanno has the support and respect of the players

2. And more importantly, just to totally piss off the 'haters' in here.

Unlikely.

Half the BOD (Doust and co) weren't sold on appointing him in the first place, are the results so amazing that they would've changed their thinking?

Flanagan will have to earn an extension with results next year, like it or loath it.