Can RL take over from RU in NZ?

[dallymessenger]

I heard the same rants about Union taking over league in 1995 after Union went professional. I heard the same again in Australia after the 2003 RWC. Yes........I am still waiting :crazy:

People sooner or later in NZ will wake up and see league as the better entertainment package. In fact it is already happening. If the NZRU can't stop the flow of players going over to the UK. People will not rock up to games knowing a second rate team is playing. We have already seen this happen with the Super 14's last year when the NZRU rested players for the RWC.

I don't see League taking over Union any time soon in the pacific. But if the southern hemisphere keep their heads in the sand it is not out of the question.

League just needs to get its act together with more funding for developing nations. Maybe the RLWC will provide some money to kick start this :shock:

absolutely.

as the NRL as our benchmark in showcasing the sport, its only a matter of time till league dominates the region.

the whole concept of Super union was introduced in a way to protect RU in NZ from the challenge of the Auckland Warriors. the SL war stopped that competition for a while, but since 2000 or so under current owners you are seeing that shift happen.

NZ winning the tri nations in 03 was also a sign of the potential the game has in nz.

Kiwis have always liked running rugby, but for 100 years theyve been stuck in the wrong code. give them good running rugby and its clear who the winner will be

 

[Cheezel]

You are assuming it IS losing popularity... how much is the loss of ratings a protest vote from what went on last year as apposed to losing interest in the game? With the streamlining of the comps in 2010 there will be less professional teams to fill... The NPC will be the development comp to a 6-7 month super 12-14-16

I think everybody knows that the super 14's was pretty boring last year. The RWC was even worse in the entertainment stakes. With the new rules this year the Super 14's still seems to be in some trouble if ratings and crowds have not increased much.

So the SOS is expanding the Super 14's to Japan and Argentina? That is good in theory with more cash coming into the game a big possiblity. Not sure how popular Rugby is in Japan and Argentina compared to Football. But does that not mean more rugby is played outside normal viewing hours for Australia and New Zealand viewers?

 

[ozbash]

as the NRL as our benchmark in showcasing the sport, its only a matter of time till league dominates the region.

lol, if there was no such code as AFL in aussie, league would still be running 2nd behind union.

S14 may have been a boreathon in australia, we actually enjoyed it, but i think the standards of your teams needs a leg-up. The NZRFU is currently looking at expanding the game internationally which will help aussie improve, thus helping the codes resurgence in oz and here. Strong aussie teams are only good for the game in our (SANZAR) region. We love playing the Wallabies as much as the Springbox.

RL has got to stop its union paranoia to grow.

 

[dallymessenger]

lol, if there was no such code as AFL in aussie, league would still be running 2nd behind union.

S14 may have been a boreathon in australia, we actually enjoyed it, but i think the standards of your teams needs a leg-up. The NZRFU is currently looking at expanding the game internationally which will help aussie improve, thus helping the codes resurgence in oz and here. Strong aussie teams are only good for the game in our (SANZAR) region. We love playing the Wallabies as much as the Springbox.

RL has got to stop its union paranoia to grow.

i dont know what paranoia your talking about.

im looking at the S14 ratings dropping in nz and awful in australia. i read talk that the broadcasters want the competiiton revamped.

that looks like failure to me.

i see the nrl ratings on top each week and see another big TV increase from that.

its not hard, you see what happens next time round

and union is the one introducing massive rule changes to be more entertaining like league.

theres nothing in your game wed like to copy.

 

[screeny]

lol, if there was no such code as AFL in aussie, league would still be running 2nd behind union.

S14 may have been a boreathon in australia, we actually enjoyed it, but i think the standards of your teams needs a leg-up. The NZRFU is currently looking at expanding the game internationally which will help aussie improve, thus helping the codes resurgence in oz and here. Strong aussie teams are only good for the game in our (SANZAR) region. We love playing the Wallabies as much as the Springbox.

RL has got to stop its union paranoia to grow.

So now RL's second behind rah rah in Australia, eh? Geez that's a tad deluded isn't it, but it's a common occurrence when RU fans are challanged and then forced to face up to their code's impending demise.

 

[Te Kaha]

I never said the IRB was standing still, but undoubtedly the game in Fiji, and its governing body, has been very successful, which is making RL more appealing and widespread on the island.

Your argument about the IRB is solely based on the elite Fijian player, whereas I'm talking about the positive effect the improved Fijian RL has had on the grass roots in the island.

As for your comment about 'biased rambling' I would simply say that RL is a game with more tackling and more ball carrying than RU. Generally speaking islander players are known for their tackling and ball carry. So therefore what's rambling to you seems pretty logical to me.

Generally speaking? so now you are catagorising isanders for those traits??? total bollox... "generally speaking" , in rugby, Fijians are known for their running and passing 7's skills, and there is more than enough ball carrying and tackling in rugby to suit "islanders" as the player numbers prove.

you dont have the population base for 2 teams
:lol:

plenty of players and money

if nrl salaries go up by 30% youll find lots more union players giving up the sport for rl

another assumption... and even 30% isnt enough to gert close to the Europe offers

so less union teams = growth eh?

you keep thinking that, its good for us

sh*t you are dumb... currently there are 5 Super14 10 NPC sides who are fully prof and 13 semi prof teams... the country cant sustain that... so the less teams will be 8-10 fully pro teams and the rest amateur.... the fully pro teams will have big enough squads to enable the same level of depth there is now.

I think everybody knows that the super 14's was pretty boring last year. The RWC was even worse in the entertainment stakes. With the new rules this year the Super 14's still seems to be in some trouble if ratings and crowds have not increased much.

last year was a disaster no doubt about that and there is still a hangover this year... however they have increased from last year. next year and the new comp in 2010 will be the true indicator... and then there is the 2011 world cup which get people through the gates.

union is the one introducing massive rule changes to be more entertaining like league.

theres nothing in your game wed like to copy.

That is so much bullsh*t its not funny... which rules have they changed to make it more like League???? none... There are real scrums still.. there are lineouts.. there are mauls... none of the league games this year have had any of that in it.... anybody and I mean ANYBODY who thinks the rule changes being trailed make the game more like league are not being objective.

but it's a common occurrence when RU fans are challanged and then forced to face up to their code's impending demise.

Would you like to bet money on that??? I will bet you any amount of money the both Rugby and League will be around in 5? 10? 20? 50? years.. you are just as bad as the idiots who predicted Leauges demise.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

I never said the IRB was standing still, but undoubtedly the game in Fiji, and its governing body, has been very successful, which is making RL more appealing and widespread on the island.

Your argument about the IRB is solely based on the elite Fijian player, whereas I'm talking about the positive effect the improved Fijian RL has had on the grass roots in the island.

As for your comment about 'biased rambling' I would simply say that RL is a game with more tackling and more ball carrying than RU. Generally speaking islander players are known for their tackling and ball carry. So therefore what's rambling to you seems pretty logical to me.

there are alot of minor sports in fiji like rugby league, hockey, softball, volleyball and many mores that are doing well at grassroots level . They would never take over netball, soccer and rugby union .They know their place in Fiji and never really think of challenging the top three sports in the press .
The sad thing about the league players playing locally in Fiji is that they all are from rugby union and still play rugby union for their villiage/clubs and always ends up back at where they start .

i see the nrl ratings on top each week and see another big TV increase from that.

its not hard, you see what happens next time round

and union is the one introducing massive rule changes to be more entertaining like league. theres nothing in your game wed like to copy.

So you are saying that rugby league rules right now were the same rules twenty years ago and league never indroduce rules to speed up its game ?:shock:

absolutely.

as the NRL as our benchmark in showcasing the sport, its only a matter of time till league dominates the region.

The AFL and A-League are doing fine . So they must be dominating the region as well including New Zealand .

the whole concept of Super union was introduced in a way to protect RU in NZ from the challenge of the Auckland Warriors.

:lol:Somebody give me some water . This guy is so funny . This is right up there with Eddie Jones winning the RWC trophy as coach .

NZ winning the tri nations in 03 was also a sign of the potential the game has in nz.

Kiwis have always liked running rugby, but for 100 years theyve been stuck in the wrong code. give them good running rugby and its clear who the winner will be

New Zealand has had league for over 100 years and many of them find it very boring . But you can't see that through your thick head . New Zealand getting thrash 58-0 was also a sign that rugby league is a minor sport in New zealand .

Kiwis have always liked running rugby, but for 100 years theyve been stuck in the wrong code. give them good running rugby and its clear who the winner will be

New Zealand Rugby League

1999 = 40,000 rugby league players

2006 = 15,000 rugby league players

This is the result of your so call running rugby .:lol: Dally, if you really wanted to hear the truth and answer these silly dreams/fantasies of yours . Why don't you come to the Warriors forum and ask all the kiwi's there ? I think you already know what their answer will be . The same as the Kiwi's arguing with you right now .

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

i started this thread you dope.

youve come on it from the start and rubbished it.

you were questioend by another poster not to be rude, yet youve continued with it.

you dont seem to watch too much RL judging by how ill informed your comments are about the number of polynesians in the nrl and the growth of the game.

Your actually a new paranoid fan who hates anything rugby union and even lie about it aye . I've been around RL forums while you were still in nappies . Parra and other real forum members wil tell you . But here's an advice from a old forum member . The more you argue rugby union on here the less sleep and paranoid you get . I think everyone here is sick of it . We have had this league overtaking union on RL forums as long as I can remember . Shi* Im still waiting and its been ages . Some members have left the forum because its now pass the years which they promise that league will overtake union . Anyway . Welcome to LU mate .

 

[Cheezel]

lol, if there was no such code as AFL in aussie, league would still be running 2nd behind union.

S14 may have been a boreathon in australia, we actually enjoyed it, but i think the standards of your teams needs a leg-up. The NZRFU is currently looking at expanding the game internationally which will help aussie improve, thus helping the codes resurgence in oz and here. Strong aussie teams are only good for the game in our (SANZAR) region. We love playing the Wallabies as much as the Springbox.

RL has got to stop its union paranoia to grow.

Little do you know ozbash AFL and NRL get blanket coverage in AUS. Rugby Union is up their with Netball :lol:. You better watch out in NZ if the AFL move their the All Backs might jump over to AFL :sarcasm:

SANZAR realise that they need to do something quick as they are getting hit from the NRL, AFL, A-League and cashed up northern hemisphere Union clubs. If the expansion does not pan out Australia will become a Rugby Union back water with all the good players going overseas. Bad ratings and crowds will be the end of the Super 14's which is already running on borrowed time. The ARU can't continue to loss money like it did last year. It is hitting the sport at the grass roots level which is having a flow on effect to the Super 14 teams in Australia..........Don't worry a team in Japan will save you:crazy:

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

4185245]Little do you know ozbash AFL and NRL get blanket coverage in AUS. Rugby Union is up their with Netball :lol:. You better watch out in NZ if the AFL move their the All Backs might jump over to AFL :sarcasm:

AFL is a game for boofs but who knows . Its very popular in Samoa . More popular than rugby league .

SANZAR realise that they need to do something quick as they are getting hit from the NRL, AFL, A-League and cashed up northern hemisphere Union clubs. If the expansion does not pan out Australia will become a Rugby Union back water with all the good players going overseas. Bad ratings and crowds will be the end of the Super 14's which is already running on borrowed time. The ARU can't continue to loss money like it did last year. It is hitting the sport at the grass roots level which is having a flow on effect to the Super 14 teams in Australia..........Don't worry a team in Japan will save you:crazy:

I was never a fan of South African teams joining the S12 . I thought the NZRU could have gone alone with Australian teams in a expanded NPC . The ARU loss money last year because of the ARC but with 18 test matches this year Im sure they would made up with that . The grass roots level in Australia is doing well . There are more clubs in Queensland and more Juniors signing up every year .

 

[crimpo]

To answer the thread question - no!

The more important question is whether RL can grow in NZ at both the professional and the recreational level. I'll answer that too - of course!

 

[Cheezel]

AFL is a game for boofs but who knows . Its very popular in Samoa . More popular than rugby league .


I was never a fan of South African teams joining the S12 . I thought the NZRU could have gone alone with Australian teams in a expanded NPC . The ARU loss money last year because of the ARC but with 18 test matches this year Im sure they would made up with that . The grass roots level in Australia is doing well . There are more clubs in Queensland and more Juniors signing up every year .

I agree AFL is a game for Boofs.:lol: So AFL is international with the game being played in samoa :shock:

Union grass roots doing well in QLD? Now your telling porkies

Queensland Shuns Rugby Union
"No sport can truly thrive without having players that kids want to put on the back of their bedroom doors. It is where any support base starts and finishes."
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23493390-10389,00.html

The Reds struggle to get 15,000 to a game in a 1 Union team town. That does not sound to good to me for a Union Heartland!

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

To answer the thread question - no!

The more important question is whether RL can grow in NZ at both the professional and the recreational level. I'll answer that too - of course!

You knock it right in the head there crimpo . RL can also grow in the Pacific Islands but no former NRL players are prepare to move and live there . So whatever was developed and spent on league in the islands . It always ends up rugby union because either they have folded or move back to NZ . Thats the problem .

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

I agree AFL is a game for Boofs.:lol: So AFL is international with the game being played in samoa :shock:

Did I say that ? It has more money and played more internationals that the Samoan rugby league team .

Union grass roots doing well in QLD? Now your telling porkies

Queensland Shuns Rugby Union
"No sport can truly thrive without having players that kids want to put on the back of their bedroom doors. It is where any support base starts and finishes."
The Reds struggle to get 15,000 to a game in a 1 Union team town. That does not sound to good to me for a Union Heartland!

Here's a hint . What were the Warriors crowds like when they weren't winning ?
Warriors, Melbourne Stroms are 1 league team town . Are you saying that 15,000 is unexceptable in Melborne and New Zealand ?:shock:

If you use crowd numbers at games to decide who is failing and who is growing then I guess you add up the rugby league international crowds in Wellington last year .

 

[Cheezel]

. The ARU loss money last year because of the ARC but with 18 test matches this year Im sure they would made up with that .

Yes they might but if likes of France send out 2nd string teams it is going to do more damage to the image of Rugby then good. International games are the lifeblood of Rugby. The IRB should be protecting this as it is the jewel in the crown for Rugby.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23532738-23210,00.html

As the article mentions the will test the core rugby supporters.

A game in Hong Kong is interesting for the Tri-Nations. Credit must be given to SANZA for having the balls to take a game there. It might bring in some more money but it would have a bigger impact if played in Australia or New Zealand in another capital city.

Rugby Really needs to start to protect its heartlands. Getting more overseas teams involved in an expanded super 14's is just giving up more ground to the AFL, NRL and A-league in Australia.

 

[Cheezel]

Did I say that ? It has more money and played more internationals that the Samoan rugby league team .


Here's a hint . What were the Warriors crowds like when they weren't winning ?
Warriors, Melbourne Stroms are 1 league team town . Are you saying that 15,000 is unexceptable in Melborne and New Zealand ?:shock:

If you use crowd numbers at games to decide who is failing and who is growing then I guess you add up the rugby league international crowds in Wellington last year .

Common Warrior you can do better then that. How many international ALF games has Samoa played?

Very good point Warrior but I am not the one saying that Leagues grass roots are growing in Melbourne and Auckland. Your talking it up in QLD and i am just pointing out that all the evidence would say that Union's Heartlands are in NSW & QLD and both heartlands are losing ground to League and AFL. I am not making up stories just stating facts.

And while your talking about wellington.....:shock:......Union is looking just as bad.

Crowd Sizes a Sorry Sight
"There were 31,571 at Westpac Stadium for last week's match against the Crusaders, but only 16,000 turned up to watch the Reds in the second round, and 16,900 for the Chiefs match a week later."

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominionpost/4464938a6033.html

Are the Crusaders a good team Warrior?

 

[Lockyer4President!]

:lol: at poly warrior. You've seriously got no clue mate. Union in Queensland is dead, or so close to it that it makes no difference. Just in the last few years I've seen high schools disband union teams and replace them with league teams or go from having both league and union to dropping the union team. RL in primary schools is growing each year and union doesn't even have a presence there.

I have no idea how union is going at amateur club level but I think it'd be fair to assume that it isn't bucking the trend that the Wobblies, Deads and schools are setting...


Union growing in Queensland... :crazy: ffs you're as bad as the reality avoiding tards on Bigfooty.

 

[Polynesian Warrior]

Yes they might but if likes of France send out 2nd string teams it is going to do more damage to the image of Rugby then good. International games are the lifeblood of Rugby. The IRB should be protecting this as it is the jewel in the crown for Rugby.

As the article mentions the will test the core rugby supporters.

You realy have got to look both ways at this . I mean it wasn't long ago that the Kangaroo's sent their B & C teams to play Great Britain when players and clubs were calling the shots on who should go on tour or not . Most time the Kiwi's play the Kangaroo's without their British players . So is that not under strenght ?

A game in Hong Kong is interesting for the Tri-Nations. Credit must be given to SANZA for having the balls to take a game there. It might bring in some more money but it would have a bigger impact if played in Australia or New Zealand in another capital city.

If you been on rugby league forums as long as I have you will know most rugby league fans would love to see test matches involve the big three played in places like Hong Kong, Dubai, Tokyo and so on .

Rugby Really needs to start to protect its heartlands. Getting more overseas teams involved in an expanded super 14's is just giving up more ground to the AFL, NRL and A-league in Australia.

Rugby union has its place in Australia wether they are 4th, 5th or 6th in oder of winter codes . There was nothing wrong with the sport when it was amateur or semi pro and players not earning any money from the game. If you compare rugby union in Australia now to 1970/80s in regards to player numbers, money, TV ratings and Wallabies profile . Then you know that rugby union has come a long way . Its like rags to riches story .
But then again . Australia rugby union are a million miles better off than the New Zealand rugby league are .

 

[dallymessenger]

Generally speaking? so now you are catagorising isanders for those traits??? total bollox... "generally speaking" , in rugby, Fijians are known for their running and passing 7's skills, and there is more than enough ball carrying and tackling in rugby to suit "islanders" as the player numbers prove.





another assumption... and even 30% isnt enough to gert close to the Europe offers



sh*t you are dumb... currently there are 5 Super14 10 NPC sides who are fully prof and 13 semi prof teams... the country cant sustain that... so the less teams will be 8-10 fully pro teams and the rest amateur.... the fully pro teams will have big enough squads to enable the same level of depth there is now.



last year was a disaster no doubt about that and there is still a hangover this year... however they have increased from last year. next year and the new comp in 2010 will be the true indicator... and then there is the 2011 world cup which get people through the gates.



That is so much bullsh*t its not funny... which rules have they changed to make it more like League???? none... There are real scrums still.. there are lineouts.. there are mauls... none of the league games this year have had any of that in it.... anybody and I mean ANYBODY who thinks the rule changes being trailed make the game more like league are not being objective.

Would you like to bet money on that??? I will bet you any amount of money the both Rugby and League will be around in 5? 10? 20? 50? years.. you are just as bad as the idiots who predicted Leauges demise.

FMD you are dense.

havent you read a paper in the past year as to why the SH nations were calling for the new rules in union. because they couldnt compete with the nrl.

if eurpean clubs do raid NZ, you can expect your competition to die in the arse too.

and with less teams in nzru thats a sign of the struggle.

thanks for that

 

[dallymessenger]

there are alot of minor sports in fiji like rugby league, hockey, softball, volleyball and many mores that are doing well at grassroots level . They would never take over netball, soccer and rugby union .They know their place in Fiji and never really think of challenging the top three sports in the press .
The sad thing about the league players playing locally in Fiji is that they all are from rugby union and still play rugby union for their villiage/clubs and always ends up back at where they start .


So you are saying that rugby league rules right now were the same rules twenty years ago and league never indroduce rules to speed up its game ?:shock:
The AFL and A-League are doing fine . So they must be dominating the region as well including New Zealand .


:lol:Somebody give me some water . This guy is so funny . This is right up there with Eddie Jones winning the RWC trophy as coach .



New Zealand has had league for over 100 years and many of them find it very boring . But you can't see that through your thick head . New Zealand getting thrash 58-0 was also a sign that rugby league is a minor sport in New zealand .



New Zealand Rugby League

1999 = 40,000 rugby league players

2006 = 15,000 rugby league players

This is the result of your so call running rugby .:lol: Dally, if you really wanted to hear the truth and answer these silly dreams/fantasies of yours . Why don't you come to the Warriors forum and ask all the kiwi's there ? I think you already know what their answer will be . The same as the Kiwi's arguing with you right now .

thanks for that, ive never seen so much BS packed in one post.

rather than wastre my time on a long response, as the S14 continues to fail whilst the NRL gets stronger Ratings, crowds and money, think of me.

the game is booming, and nz with it. union on the other hand is stagnating. RL fans have never had it so good vs ru in nz. a trend i expect to continue