Matty Johns on ACA

[Jobdog]

What assumptions? Watch the show. She said that Johns "did most of the stuff" that "he was directing others". If you had watched it you would know this.

I haven't made one asumption. Yes its her word against his.

I've seen the show. It was a joke. It was typical biased reporting trying to paint a picture of all rugby league players and how they're group sex addicts and rapists. Johns says one thing, she says another. I think I'm more inclined to believe his version of events more.
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I don't actually think she said that either ...

 

[K-Man]

She says that she didn't consent to it. That she was convinced to come back to the hotel with 2 players and the rest quickly entered the room once they got there.

And Johns says the opposite, so unless we know exactly what happened (and remembering that no criminal charges were laid) we can only assume that it was consentual at the time or that the players believed it to be consentual. No crime was committed - as long as that is the case why do we have to hear about the sexual activities of adults just because one of them is famous? The exact same thing is happening somewhere in this country right now and nobody gives a toss (no pun intended).

So she implied to 2 men that there was a chance of having group sex with them... but only them and no more than that? Or would a 3rd have been acceptable? At what point was the line crossed? How do we know?

How do we really know whether or not the woman was a very willing participant at the time but later began to look back on the events and find herself horrified that she could've allowed it to happen?

 

[Jobdog]

So you honestly beleive that she consented to 6 blokes and all the others watching?

I don't think that's my place to comment on. Johns says she consented to it all. Make of that what you will. IMO her "version of events" lost all credibility when she said she basically said she wanted revenge ...

 

[K-Man]

So you honestly beleive that she consented to 6 blokes and all the others watching?

You honestly believe that for this one incident there are not at least 100 others in league over the last decade where a woman has been perfectly happy for this to occur and encouraged it once she met some of the players on a night out?

I find it highly unlikely that a sharks trip to new zealand is the only time group sex like this has ever taken place. So where are all the other women now, why have they never stepped forward? Because they consented to it and they know nothing illegal actually happened that's why.

 

[borat]

Agree Borat - it isn't the actual act that is the problem. It's how they have treated her and how they left her that is the problem. It's quite sickening.

Thats exactly my point. Consent is only one part of it. Its that they think they can do this sort of thing and just discard them afterwards, pretend like it didn't happen.

How they systematically went about this is sickening. People can pass whatever judgement they like on her decision to come home with 2 players.

But I would defy anyone not to be scared sh*tless at then being presented with a room full fo 12 first grade rugby league players.

She said she was in shock and was diagnosed with Post traumatic stress disorder. People in shock can shut down and submit. Just because she didn't object doesn't mean consent.

 

[borat]

You honestly believe that for this one incident there are not at least 100 others in league over the last decade where a woman has been perfectly happy for this to occur and encouraged it once she met some of the players on a night out?

I find it highly unlikely that a sharks trip to new zealand is the only time group sex like this has ever taken place. So where are all the other women now, why have they never stepped forward? Because they consented to it and they know nothing illegal actually happened that's why.

I see so you think that because its happened a 100 times before its OK this time. Unbeleivable.

 

[Jobdog]

I see so you think that because its happened a 100 times before its OK this time. Unbeleivable.

I think what he's saying is that it's not out of the ordinary and really, doesn't deserve all the media attention it's getting.

 

[Alex28]

I don't think that's my place to comment on. Johns says she consented to it all. Make of that what you will. IMO her "version of events" lost all credibility when she said she basically said she wanted revenge ...

To be honest the majority here believe Johns because thats what they want to believe. I mean they are our heroes, we've admired these people for a long time. We are familiar with these people. It's like we're backing one of our own (if only his former team mates would do the same thing).

Whether that is what actually happened or not is a whole other story. She certainly looked like damaged goods out of all this. It might of started consentual and she might not have said no verbally during it, but she certainly didn't look like she enjoyed it. Mightn't have been illegal but it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

 

[sneaky_is_here]

She says that she didn't consent to it. That she was convinced to come back to the hotel with 2 players and the rest quickly entered the room once they got there.

Johns saids at no point did she say no, and that one player steped up she said no and pointed back to him, and then he left the room.

So you are making assumptions based on four corners, and really no matter how much you have been listerning to the media, you have no idea of what went on and cannot comment on it. I believe Trish Johns who said it was a matter between husband and wife, and that no one else can comment on that.

 

[borat]

So she implied to 2 men that there was a chance of having group sex with them... but only them and no more than that? Or would a 3rd have been acceptable? At what point was the line crossed? How do we know?

Are you for real? So why stop at 2, lets make it 10 or 100. I mean if she has consented to 2 then she obviously loses all right to chose doesn't she.

 

[Pika]

It really comes down to who you believe.

 

[Jobdog]

Johns saids at no point did she say no, and that one player steped up she said no and pointed back to him, and then he left the room.

I don't know about anyone else, but that was the moment I believed his version of events. IMO, that is something that wouldn't have been made up.

 

[borat]

Johns saids at no point did she say no, and that one player steped up she said no and pointed back to him, and then he left the room.

So you are making assumptions based on four corners, and really no matter how much you have been listerning to the media, you have no idea of what went on and cannot comment on it. I believe Trish Johns who said it was a matter between husband and wife, and that no one else can comment on that.

And you completely beleive Johns's version of events. What if she was raped but there wasn't enough evidence. Just because she doesn't say no is not consent. You do understand this right?

This woman clearly has the right to say whatever she likes at the way she was treated, whether it was consensual or not.

 

[borat]

I've seen the show. It was a joke. It was typical biased reporting trying to paint a picture of all rugby league players and how they're group sex addicts and rapists. Johns says one thing, she says another. I think I'm more inclined to believe his version of events more.
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I don't actually think she said that either ...

I misunderstood your post and edited mine. You beat me to it.

 

[sneaky_is_here]

It really comes down to who you believe.

Here, Here.

At the end of the day I think what people like Borat are forgetting is we are not arguing what Johns and the 12 other blokes did was right. We are arguing that he doesn't deserve or the criticism he is getting because

1. all these people are obviously basing their opions of what they have or havn't heard
2. There were 12 other blokes, he doesn't deserve to be blamed for their actions.

 

[borat]

I think what he's saying is that it's not out of the ordinary and really, doesn't deserve all the media attention it's getting.

Why not. Lets just assume for a second that what she says is the truth. If that was you, or your girlfriend or sister, you wouldn't just forget. You would be screaming for justice and telling anyone who would listen.

 

[Pika]

Again, it really comes down to who you believe.

Johns.

Or the young lady on Four Corners.

Everything else is just people on a moral high horse.

Group sex, how a woman is treated after the fact etc, all moral issues really.

Who are we to judge?

If we take a stand point and declare 'anytime a woman has sex with more than two men in the same room, society deems it unaccesptable' then we take away the right of every man and woman to engage in sexual activity that should be the decision of the participants.

I dont think the issue here is whether the entire team slept with her or not (yet this is what the media want to beat up), but simply was it consensual.

All the rest just creates hysteria and a witch hunt.

 

[borat]

Here, Here.

At the end of the day I think what people like Borat are forgetting is we are not arguing what Johns and the 12 other blokes did was right. We are arguing that he doesn't deserve or the criticism he is getting because

1. all these people are obviously basing their opions of what they have or havn't heard
2. There were 12 other blokes, he doesn't deserve to be blamed for their actions.

I am not here for Matthew Johns bashing. Although heavily invloved he is probably less culpable out of the lot of them.

But when you lead a life in the public spotlight and make alot of money doing so, your past will eventually be held to scrutiny.

Matt chose to become a media personality, chose to front the nrl membership campaign, chose to sign a large channel 9 contract.

The consequence of doing so is the slightest peice of personal baggage is going to get blown up massively and made an example of. Fordham would have advised him of this from the start and his brothers experience should have rung alarm bells.

 

[borat]

Whether that is what actually happened or not is a whole other story. She certainly looked like damaged goods out of all this. It might of started consentual and she might not have said no verbally during it, but she certainly didn't look like she enjoyed it. Mightn't have been illegal but it doesn't mean it wasn't wrong.

I just can't understand the cold attitudes here to this girl after watching that show.

If I was involved in something that, although not illegal, was morally wrong and resulted in destroying someones life to the point of commiting suicide. I would be devastated, and not just for my own skin.

 

[Mr Angry]

I think it appropriate to quote my good wife:

mrs macavity, 7:20pm, re school marm grimshaw: "f*ck her. f*ck her right up her fat arse"

god I love my wife.

lol quality.

One of the reasons I love my wife, she would be completely oblivious to these stories, does not watch news or sport.

You know the old saying have you living under a rock? That is my wife to a tee, if someone asked about Matthew Johns and his problems this week, she would simply say "Isn't he the funny one?" Not sure what your talking about and don't care.

Move any item in the house by an inch, now that she would notice.