Matty Johns on ACA

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Comming forward would accomplish nothing and if I was Mathew I certainly wouldnt hold it against them. And though it was a low act cheating on his wife it does show a lot of character that he hasnt attempted to spread the blame by cheating.

 

[Joker's Wild]

My two main beefs with this is:-


1. Where is Brett Firman?

2. What good, decent aussie bloke, sits back and lets their team mate ( in this case Matthew Johns, who had sex with the girl consensually ), cop all the stick. Johns shouldn't have to name the players - being a snitch is about as low as it gets - however, to sit back and let Johns cop it from all angles, and ruin his life, while there's at least a half dozen blokes sitting at home knowing they are just as much to blame and are too gutless to step up themselves - is just about as unAustralian as it gets.

I find those 2 points completely appalling. Brett Firman was named as the other player who had consensual sex with her too. The fact he gets a free ride, with no focus whatsoever, is completely wrong.

And to the blokes who were his team mates who were there, having their turn in 2002, to sit back and let your mate cop all the flak in 2009, while being completely gutless, takes the cake.

With a gutless, selfish attitude like that, no wonder they haven't won a premiership.

Finally a post from you Karma that I can totally agree with.

The other blokes who were involved are as gutless and scummy as you can get. I really hope Karma (the concept, not the poster) bites them all in the arse very soon

 

[Karmawave]

Finally a post from you Karma that I can totally agree with.

Oh you've said that before at least 4 or 5 times, you simply forget each time. ;-)

 

[Joker's Wild]

Oh you've said that before at least 4 or 5 times, you simply forget each time. ;-)

Agreeing with you is simply so traumatic that I repress the memory of it each time. Keeps me sane

 

[Karmawave]

Agreeing with you is simply so traumatic that I repress the memory of it each time. Keeps me sane

Hey man, I'm not the one with a psychotic, gun toting, sociopathic freak of a villain as my avatar! ;-)

 

[Jobdog]

I, like JW, don't believe it - I agree with Karma for once :crazy:

Can someone please tell me what Matty's done wrong in a "criminal sense"? Yes, it's immoral, yes, it's cheating on his lovely wife, but to me, if Trish is still around some seven years after the event, doesn't that tell you she's moved on, and everyone else should too?

 

[Joker's Wild]

Hey man, I'm not the one with a psychotic, gun toting, sociopathic freak of a villain as my avatar! ;-)

Have you taken a close look at the Dogers playing roster lately

 

[Karmawave]

Have you taken a close look at the Dogers playing roster lately

22 and 12 baby - leading the division. :lol:

And will be when Manny comes back.

 

[Alex28]

Comming forward would accomplish nothing and if I was Mathew I certainly wouldnt hold it against them. And though it was a low act cheating on his wife it does show a lot of character that he hasnt attempted to spread the blame by cheating.

According to David Gallop, Matthew's actions make his position in the game untenable. So if he had consentual sex with the girl and that has lead to him being exited from the game, what does that say about the ones who didn't have consentual sex with the girl? They should be allowed to keep going?

Leaving Matt to take the fall for this alone is a disgrace. They have all brought the game in to disrepute.

 

[borat]

I, like JW, don't believe it - I agree with Karma for once :crazy:

Can someone please tell me what Matty's done wrong in a "criminal sense"? Yes, it's immoral, yes, it's cheating on his lovely wife, but to me, if Trish is still around some seven years after the event, doesn't that tell you she's moved on, and everyone else should too?

You should watch the 4 corners episode and then see if you still feel the same.

Johns and his buddy have convinced her to come back to their hotel rooms where half the team was waiting for her. They then proceeded to degrade her, treat her like a piece of meat for 2 hours. 12 big high profile blokes waiting for a 19 year old.

It was obvious from watching the show that this has ruined her. She was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder.

 

[Karmawave]

David Gallop

And this bloke.

He ought to be ashamed of himself as well. Every year, and month to month, he is making the NRL more and more a dictatorship.

The NRL is basically run as a police state, and Gallop is the dictator.

Whether it be player's contracts, punishments and suspensions on behalf of clubs, telling players what they can and can't do off the field - whatever it is, Gallop is in the thick of making his administration of the game a total dictatorship.

And not only is he the dictator, but the whole administration of this game reeks of complete double standards in many of their situations, no different to how Matthew Johns and Brett Firman are being treated differently right now by the media.

One rule for some, ignorance for another.

I completely agree with the player who came out today saying that Gallop will never stop group sex.

I mean there's swingers clubs everywhere for f*cks sake. For males, females, everyone. There's sex clubs in most major cities, and its definitely not uncommon for a group of people to have consensual sex in private situations.

How or why Gallop thinks he can prevent it from happening, is beyond me.

What if it was 4 women on 1 man?

What if it was 4 men altogether?

Oh wait, maybe Gallop will ban NRL homosexuality next as well. Because there's a few players who are probably re-thinking the consensual group sessions they have with their boyfriends as of now because dictator Gallop says group sex is now a no - no :lol:

Geez last week, a bloke I know - a carpenter of all things - had his girlfriend surprise him with a group session with 2 other girls. Ok , don't ask how I know these things :lol: - but seriously, it just shows that not all " GROUP SEX " situations need to be banned.

Then again, because he is a carpenter, and it was 3:1 girl/boy ratio, no one seems to care.

But hey David, stamp your foot.

 

[sneaky_is_here]

You should watch the 4 corners episode and then see if you still feel the same.

Johns and his buddy have convinced her to come back to their hotel rooms where half the team was waiting for her. They then proceeded to degrade her, treat her like a piece of meat for 2 hours. 12 big high profile blokes waiting for a 19 year old.

It was obvious from watching the show that this has ruined her. She was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder.

Thats not what the programme said. It said Him and firman came back to her hotel with her in which case she concented to that, and other blokes were coming through the window and door throughout the 2 hour period. How the other blokes got told to come to the hotel room we don't exactly know but i doubt that all 12 of them been there was all matty's fault he is simply been singled out because he is the only one identifyed.

I dont agree with what he did. And we can argue about this for as long as we like but people will always have there own view of it. Like many have already said he deserves to be punished for what he did, but how can everyone in the public thing they know the story and comment on what went on and what should happen to him. Every average Joe has done things we don't want people to know about or regret, they are just not famous enough for anyone to care.

 

[Pika]

If she consented (IF), is this not now a moral issue?

Who are we to judge the acts of consenting adults sexual behaviour?

Its a big IF though.

Just throwing it out there.....

 

[borat]

Thats not what the programme said. It said Him and firman came back to her hotel with her in which case she concented to that, and other blokes were coming through the window and door throughout the 2 hour period. How the other blokes got told to come to the hotel room we don't exactly know but i doubt that all 12 of them been there was all matty's fault he is simply been singled out because he is the only one identifyed..

I am not saying Matt Johns showed them the game plan before he went out but obviously there is/was a culture at the sharks of picking up girls and then letting the rest of the team join in. The players new that when one of them picks up its time to gather the troops. Thats grossly wrong.

She identified Johns as the ring leader, the person who was doing "most of the stuff". He is up to his neck in this.

 

[borat]

If she consented (IF), is this not now a moral issue?

Who are we to judge the acts of consenting adults sexual behaviour?

Its a big IF though.

Just throwing it out there.....

She says that she didn't consent to it. That she was convinced to come back to the hotel with 2 players and the rest quickly entered the room once they got there.

 

[Karmawave]

Who are we to judge the acts of consenting adults sexual behaviour?

Just throwing it out there.....

We aren't anyone to judge, and we shouldn't be either.

It won't stop Dictator Gallop though.

 

[Alex28]

You should watch the 4 corners episode and then see if you still feel the same.

Johns and his buddy have convinced her to come back to their hotel rooms where half the team was waiting for her. They then proceeded to degrade her, treat her like a piece of meat for 2 hours. 12 big high profile blokes waiting for a 19 year old.

It was obvious from watching the show that this has ruined her. She was diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder.

Agree Borat - it isn't the actual act that is the problem. It's how they have treated her and how they left her that is the problem. It's quite sickening.

 

[Jobdog]

I am not saying Matt Johns showed them the game plan before he went out but obviously there is/was a culture at the sharks of picking up girls and then letting the rest of the team join in. The players new that when one of them picks up its time to gather the troops. Thats grossly wrong.

She identified Johns as the ring leader, the person who was doing "most of the stuff". He is up to his neck in this.

How do you know that? Where are you getting all these assumptions from? Were you there? She identified Johns as one of the two she agreed to have sex with. Does that make it ok for the rest of them to join in? Of course not, but what you're saying is a massive assumption based on, well, nothing.

 

[K-Man]

And this bloke.

He ought to be ashamed of himself as well. Every year, and month to month, he is making the NRL more and more a dictatorship.

The NRL is basically run as a police state, and Gallop is the dictator.

Whether it be player's contracts, punishments and suspensions on behalf of clubs, telling players what they can and can't do off the field - whatever it is, Gallop is in the thick of making his administration of the game a total dictatorship.

And not only is he the dictator, but the whole administration of this game reeks of complete double standards in many of their situations, no different to how Matthew Johns and Brett Firman are being treated differently right now by the media.

One rule for some, ignorance for another.

I completely agree with the player who came out today saying that Gallop will never stop group sex.

I mean there's swingers clubs everywhere for f*cks sake. For males, females, everyone. There's sex clubs in most major cities, and its definitely not uncommon for a group of people to have consensual sex in private situations.

How or why Gallop thinks he can prevent it from happening, is beyond me.

What if it was 4 women on 1 man?

What if it was 4 men altogether?

Oh wait, maybe Gallop will ban NRL homosexuality next as well. Because there's a few players who are probably re-thinking the consensual group sessions they have with their boyfriends as of now because dictator Gallop says group sex is now a no - no :lol:

Geez last week, a bloke I know - a carpenter of all things - had his girlfriend surprise him with a group session with 2 other girls. Ok , don't ask how I know these things :lol: - but seriously, it just shows that not all " GROUP SEX " situations need to be banned.

Then again, because he is a carpenter, and it was 3:1 girl/boy ratio, no one seems to care.

But hey David, stamp your foot.

I'd love to continue with a massive rant on this too, but I'm in a rush.

Basically though you are spot on Karma. Gallop is kidding himself, and so are a lot of people if they think this is some rugby league issue and that this type of thing is not widely prevalent in society.

Honestly I have female friends who openly discuss group sex - does this mean that they have potentially "degraded" some poor 19 year old bloke? Please. It's the 21st century. It happens. It happens a lot more than some people might realise. And it happens amongst young consenting adults. I'm not discussing the exact circumstances of the Johns' incident, but the way some in the media and the game are talking about the general concept of group sex as being on some sort of par with sexual abuse is a joke. David Gallop - I'm sure there are millions of people doing millions of things in the world inthe privacy of their own homes that you would dissaprove of - but why exactly do we give a damn what your opinion on morality is?

 

[borat]

How do you know that? Where are you getting all these assumptions from? Were you there? She identified Johns as one of the two she agreed to have sex with. Does that make it ok for the rest of them to join in? Of course not, but what you're saying is a massive assumption based on, well, nothing.

What assumptions? Watch the show. She said that Johns "did most of the stuff" that "he was directing others". If you had watched it you would know this.

I haven't made one asumption. Yes its her word against his.

[edit] sorry, your probably refering to the first part of my post. I should have preferenced that part with IMO.

So you honestly beleive that she consented to 6 blokes and all the others watching?