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RABK

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Gallop has lost the plot....rugby league is not played by choir boys but he seems to think that they should all have the morals and ethics that JC himself would have trouble living up to.


:? I don't think so.
 

Big Tim

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One can only hope mate.

He is the only one with enough heart to front up about all of this, and its hard not to admire him for his strength in fronting up... though to be fair, it was almost impossible for him not to.

It really baffles me where the hell Brett Firman is in all of this.

Does the media even care about Brett Firman? I honestly wonder if the media is trying to track him down or if he is just doing a good enough job to hide away from them.

Or is it merely only a major story because the star of it all is Matthew Johns?


So many tangents so few answers!

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
 

macavity

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Gallop has lost the plot....rugby league is not played by choir boys but he seems to think that they should all have the morals and ethics that JC himself would have trouble living up to.

John Cartwright?
 

Yosh

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Well if you think about it, how the hell are they gonna know she was 19? Some girls these days look 23 by the time they hit puberty. You cant hold it against them that she was so young.

In my honest opinion the only thing Matty Johns did wrong was to cheat on his wife. The story probably goes something like this:

Drinks, everyone smashed
Johns goes upstairs finds mates and some hot chick
She is obviously drunk herself and she wants some
Johns and probably some others give it to her and his mates just around
He leaves when people start coming in
She is a dumbs**t
7 years later she thinks I want 15mins of fame
4 Corners
Johns' life down drain

I honestly doubt it was any where as horrific as she described...
 

ramble_on

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I'll put forward a hypothesis...

Woman goes to a room with 2 blokes.... sex...
more blokes show up... lotsa sex....
Woman brags to work mates about lotsa sex...
Workmates not impressed.... condemnation...
Woman not thinking it was such a good idea after all... shift blame...
Investigation turns up evidence no crime committed... remorse...
Remorse leads to PTSS.... pity....
PTSS generates need for revenge.... 4C...

Now I'm no psychologist but I can see how time to reflect on ones actions could eventuate in belated stress and trauma.. but it wouldn't change the way you felt at the time of the act......

BUT given that the police found no crime was committed (not insufficient evidence) then I see no reason why anyone not directly affected by it has to know what did happen in that room of "consenting" adults...

but they are cowards for letting MJ take the fall alone.....
 

Alex28

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Woman goes to a room with 2 blokes.... sex...
more blokes show up... lotsa sex....
Woman brags to work mates about lotsa sex...
Workmates not impressed.... condemnation...
Woman not thinking it was such a good idea after all... shift blame...
Investigation turns up evidence no crime committed... remorse...
Remorse leads to PTSS.... pity....
PTSS generates need for revenge.... 4C...
The more that comes out, the more this looks like being the likely sequence of events. If it is true incredibly unfortunate for Matthew Johns...
 

K-Man

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I'll put forward a hypothesis...

Woman goes to a room with 2 blokes.... sex...
more blokes show up... lotsa sex....
Woman brags to work mates about lotsa sex...
Workmates not impressed.... condemnation...
Woman not thinking it was such a good idea after all... shift blame...
Investigation turns up evidence no crime committed... remorse...
Remorse leads to PTSS.... pity....
PTSS generates need for revenge.... 4C...

Now I'm no psychologist but I can see how time to reflect on ones actions could eventuate in belated stress and trauma.. but it wouldn't change the way you felt at the time of the act......

BUT given that the police found no crime was committed (not insufficient evidence) then I see no reason why anyone not directly affected by it has to know what did happen in that room of "consenting" adults...

but they are cowards for letting MJ take the fall alone.....

Would not surprise me one iota if this were exactly the way it all went down, especially given the comments from the ex work colleague (which let's face it was hardly a surprising revelation - I was waiting for somebody to step up with that sort of information).

I'm not saying the girl isn't suffering and hasn't been through a lot, but I'd suggest if one night of group sex that was consensual has ruined her life completely then her overall stability was shaky at best anyway and I'd say she wasn't the happiest person in general. I get the feeling she is looking for reasons why her life seems so tough -lost all her friends, depressed, etc - and has started to assign blame elsewhere.

Imagine all the people that would be in trouble if every time there was a sexual episode just a little bit out of what is considered "normal" it became a public issue for the media to judge. Honestly the whole world would be feeling the heat the way Johns is now. Group sex, weird fetishes etc etc... if it is consensual and private it's no big deal. Get over it.
 

Jobdog

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So, I ask all those people who were all "oh, the poor girl, Matty Johns is a scumbag and deserves everything he gets", what do you think now? Now we have a former workmate of this NZ woman saying she bragged about having sex with these players for several days after the event before changing her story. Why did she change her story? Perhaps because all of a sudden she was like "oh f**k, Matty Johns was there that night, I can make some money out of all of this!!"
 

K-Man

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So, I ask all those people who were all "oh, the poor girl, Matty Johns is a scumbag and deserves everything he gets", what do you think now? Now we have a former workmate of this NZ woman saying she bragged about having sex with these players for several days after the event before changing her story. Why did she change her story? Perhaps because all of a sudden she was like "oh f**k, Matty Johns was there that night, I can make some money out of all of this!!"

Indeed.

You know the more I think about it the more I ponder what I would've done and how I would've reacted if I were Matt Johns over the past week... and I just can't see myself sucking it up like he has and showing and admitting any blame whatsoever apart from infidelity to my wife.

To be honest if I were Matty I would go down swinging. He's lost everything, why not tell it like is and really put some serious questions to this woman? Don't prance around the issue: come right out and say she's an absolute liar and she's only making a big deal out of this because of who I am. Where was she over the last 7 years? Why should I have justify myself to any of you people when I haven't committed a crime? Why is Brett Stewart back in the NRL even though he actually faces real criminal charges? I've done nothing wrong and I refuse to apologise. What are you going to do about it? Hang me out to dry? Sack me? You've done it anyway.

Bring this girl in and I'll do an interview with her together. She can say whatever she wants and ask me any question she likes, and I can do the same. Then we will say who walks away with more credibility.

I know he can't do any of those things if he wants to salvage his career down the track, but gee you'd be tempted to say what you really think and tear her story to pieces. How many more of these ex work colleagues are out there with stories to tell about the bragging and lack or pain and remorse she actually showed at the time? I'd say plenty!

I'm glad I'm not famous that's for sure. Some of the stuff that I'm sure plenty of people in the world have done would be pretty embarrassing if the other party came forward later and said "oh no I didn't really want that to happen. I may have consented at the time, but I in hindsight I don't consent at all. These are all the things that we did and I'm not happy about them anymore..." That would be a terrifying situation for many many people, quite possibly including some of the people who are so happy to be shouting their mouths off about it at the moment.
 

Jobdog

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And another thing I find very interesting to say the least, is the fact that 4C or Sarah Ferguson haven't returned calls from Talkin' Sport and "politely declined" to appear on The Footy Show last night. If they had nothing to hide, and didn't have any agenda against rugby league :)lol: I know) and were, instead, just trying to put the whole group sex issue out there, why are they hiding?
 

ramble_on

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Indeed.

You know the more I think about it the more I ponder what I would've done and how I would've reacted if I were Matt Johns over the past week... and I just can't see myself sucking it up like he has and showing and admitting any blame whatsoever apart from infidelity to my wife.

To be honest if I were Matty I would go down swinging. He's lost everything, why not tell it like is and really put some serious questions to this woman? Don't prance around the issue: come right out and say she's an absolute liar and she's only making a big deal out of this because of who I am. Where was she over the last 7 years? Why should I have justify myself to any of you people when I haven't committed a crime? Why is Brett Stewart back in the NRL even though he actually faces real criminal charges? I've done nothing wrong and I refuse to apologise. What are you going to do about it? Hang me out to dry? Sack me? You've done it anyway.

Bring this girl in and I'll do an interview with her together. She can say whatever she wants and ask me any question she likes, and I can do the same. Then we will say who walks away with more credibility.

I know he can't do any of those things if he wants to salvage his career down the track, but gee you'd be tempted to say what you really think and tear her story to pieces. How many more of these ex work colleagues are out there with stories to tell about the bragging and lack or pain and remorse she actually showed at the time? I'd say plenty!

I'm glad I'm not famous that's for sure. Some of the stuff that I'm sure plenty of people in the world have done would be pretty embarrassing if the other party came forward later and said "oh no I didn't really want that to happen. I may have consented at the time, but I in hindsight I don't consent at all. These are all the things that we did and I'm not happy about them anymore..." That would be a terrifying situation for many many people, quite possibly including some of the people who are so happy to be shouting their mouths off about it at the moment.

Quite frankly I think that Matty Johns should begin legal proceedings against 4 Corners, Ch. 9, The Storm and Gallop for defamation of character and unlawful dismissal. He committed no crime. I'd then be interested to see how interested gossip magazines would be to approaching "Clare" for an "exclussive".....
 

K-Man

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Quite frankly I think that Matty Johns should begin legal proceedings against 4 Corners, Ch. 9, The Storm and Gallop for defamation of character and unlawful dismissal. He committed no crime. I'd then be interested to see how interested gossip magazines would be to approaching "Clare" for an "exclussive".....

Absolutely. Where in any of his contracts would there have been a clause against something like "er, like sorta doing something a bit immoral, well immoral according to some people, but not illegal. Just kinda being stupid I guess, then we would reserve the right to terminate the contract".

It's a load of garbage. If I had kids I wouldn't be using this whole episode as a lesson in how to behave or what to do with your private life or how to treat women; I'd be using it as a lesson in how to understand the power of the media
 

otori

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MJ should start legal proceedings because he didn't deserve what he got from kneejerk reactions of scared companies. Andrew O'Keefe didn't get fired for when he was piss blind crawling around in the gutter by Channel 7 after all...
 

sneaky_is_here

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I doubt he will even think about doing anything like that at his point, i think he just wants to hide under a rock till this blows over.
 

Alex28

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So, I ask all those people who were all "oh, the poor girl, Matty Johns is a scumbag and deserves everything he gets", what do you think now? Now we have a former workmate of this NZ woman saying she bragged about having sex with these players for several days after the event before changing her story. Why did she change her story? Perhaps because all of a sudden she was like "oh f**k, Matty Johns was there that night, I can make some money out of all of this!!"
Whilst the new stories certainly puts some element of doubt over her story...if she wanted to make some money out of it 4 Corners would have to be the worst place to go to get it. She wouldn't have been paid a cent for her story there.

If she is telling the truth - then it is incredibly f***ed and Matt deserves all he is getting.
If she is lying...it's tough for Matthew...

I don't know who to believe to be honest.
 

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