Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

there is no mention of it because its A DUMB IDEA

I also think that they might as well hire guys like these to talk up bids and make it look like the nrl is actually a vibrant comp with people trying to knock down the door to get in.

Perth and 2nd NZ would be my choice. Central coast as a replacement team only

 

[bender]

Perth and New Zealand really are the best spots, but it does seem that the CC bid team are more advanced so they might pip them. I dont think CQ is ready yet, but they are far better placed than most on here realise. I think they will get in at the next round, hopefully with a 3rd NZ team. NZ really needs to have some serious development and effort put into it.

 

[Highway1]

Don't get me wrong, my first two choices for SE QLD would either be:

Ipswich. Probably playing out of Suncorp, which defeats the point of calling them Ipswich.

or, my preferred choice:

Sunshine Coast. Playing out of an upgraded Quad Park for 9 or so home games, and taking their Queensland Derby's to Suncorp.

My problem with 'South Brisbane' is it's just a way to base another team out of Suncorp and differentiate them from the Bronco's. You could call them North Brisbane or East Brisbane - the effect is the same.

If you're just doing that, basing a team out of Suncorp, then South-Queensland is an ideal name... But we all know why we can't use that name.

the problem with ipswich is that the council area wont have the same number of people that the gold coast has now (500,000ish) until 2031, according to the QLD D.I.P. But saying that I don't see a problem in basing the Ipswich franchise at suncorp stadium, its no different to south sydney playing at ANZ.

Sunshine Coast will work, but it will be pretty hard work though, because the sunshine coast isn't a united area as such, its a bit like sydney, divided into different areas and those different areas are quite distinct. And because the sunny coast is way behind in infrastructure terms, it will be really hard work for fans to turn up to matches.

I never had idea that the "south brisbane" team to be just another tenant at suncorp. My idea is that the south brisbane team would just be a breakaway team for the southside, from the northside and the broncos. There is a division between brisbane southside and northside you know, mainly due to the river which acts as a border. And besides theres is a rugby league competition in brisbane that cateres exclusively to brisbane notrthside and southside's, and my idea is that the broncos draw form northside (excuse me for stating the obvious) and "south brisbane draw players form southside competitions.

I never had the idea that a second team in brisbane should be formed so suncorp stadium has more tenants. And the name "south Queensland" is tacky anyway, just like "southern NSW Raiders" or something.

 

[Highway1]

They're making a massive 'superbase' out Amberley way (Amberley is already the biggest airbase in the country iirc). A West Brisbane team would definitely be able to take advantage of that and all the new industry that'll be heading out there. It won't happen because of Ipswich's QLD Cup team but a team called the West Brisbane Jets with an F-35 as the logo would look pretty decent imo.


No probs. I assumed that's all it was but wasn't sure since you did it twice.

For sure. There are a lot of sports stores on the southside that sell more Titans merch than Broncos, or else it's usually about even between them.

I've lived in Brisbane my whole life and i've never heard of "West BRisbane". Please tell me what is "west Brisbane"? and how do you define the boundaries of it?.

 

[Razor]

Teams should be admitted in this order.

1. Perth
2. 2nd Brisbane or Ipswich
3. 2nd Brisbane or Ipswich
4. Adelaide
5. Wellington
6. Central Coast
7. Central QLD

Although there certainly is room for certain teams like the Sharks to relocate, especially in areas with no bid team.

As far as I know the only official bid teams are from

Central QLD
PNG
Central Coast
Perth

And an unofficial bid team

Logan (that has no funding or sponsors lined up, and only a "we'll look at it" promise of a stadium from the Government)

 

[Highway1]

Yes, yes, a thousand times YES. I would love to see a TRUE local rivalry in Brisbane.

Bring in Perth and Brisbane No.2 for 2013. Central Coast should only come in to replace a dying Sydney team.

If Melbourne can have two A-League teams, Brisbane should be able to have two NRL teams.

me too, love to see a Brisbane rivalry, then I call it "the Rivercity derby", with rivalry based on what side of the river the team is on.

 

[Highway1]

Teams should be admitted in this order.

1. Perth
2. 2nd Brisbane or Ipswich
3. 2nd Brisbane or Ipswich
4. Adelaide
5. Wellington
6. Central Coast
7. Central QLD

Although there certainly is room for certain teams like the Sharks to relocate, especially in areas with no bid team.

As far as I know the only official bid teams are from

Central QLD
PNG
Central Coast
Perth

And an unofficial bid team

Logan (that has no funding or sponsors lined up, and only a "we'll look at it" promise of a stadium from the Government)

lol why did you put "2nd Brisbane or Ipswich" twice?

 

[Highway1]

I know Red Hill well, and don't doubt that a South & West Logan & Ipswich team makes more sense, but if the best bid comes from Redcliffe-Sunshine Coast way, then the Broncs and their inner west base will push out back towards the South and West over the river.

btw, there is no such thing as west of the river, maybe west of M3 hale st, but not west of river

 

[Razor]

lol why did you put "2nd Brisbane or Ipswich" twice?

There should be a 2nd Brisbane team AND an Ipswich team. So either the Ipswich team comes first or the 2nd Brisbane team comes first

 

[Highway1]

There should be a 2nd Brisbane team AND an Ipswich team. So either the Ipswich team comes first or the 2nd Brisbane team comes first

well if thats the case, I'm predicting that Metropolitan Brisbane, will have three teams which will be the: Broncos, South Brisbane/Brisbane South End and Ipswich Jets. Do you think that is the likely scenario?

 

[Lockyer4President!]

Can't see a southern Brisbane team being accepted into the NRL anytime soon. It'd take a huge chunk out of the Broncos and Titans support.

We can expand the game with a North Coast and/or West Bris/Ipswich team without cannibalising the support for existing clubs.

 

[mightybears]

btw, there is no such thing as west of the river, maybe west of M3 hale st, but not west of river

well as the Brisbane River tracks north east to the Bay, there are obviously areas that could be described as south and west of the river, Indooroopilly is obviously west [and north!] of the river!, but you are being pendantic to say the least.

 

[lockyrulz]

well as the Brisbane River tracks north east to the Bay, there are obviously areas that could be described as south and west of the river, Indooroopilly is obviously west [and north!] of the river!, but you are being pendantic to say the least.

Yea but it isn't anything that would identify itself as a team.

Ipswich is the long term option, no reason to rush though, give it 10 years.

Queensland is the perfect model as is, a solid local comp with a small number of National teams overlaying it.

Now all we need is to fix the mess that is Sydney, with hotch potch mergers and suburban teams that can't cut it nationally. For some bizarre reason the only solution people can conjure is to exacerbate the problem by resurrecting a bunch of losers in Norths and by doing so thin out an already tightly strung support base for the existing Sydney clubs.

 

[mightybears]

Yea but it isn't anything that would identify itself as a team.

Ipswich is the long term option, no reason to rush though, give it 10 years.

Queensland is the perfect model as is, a solid local comp with a small number of National teams overlaying it.

Now all we need is to fix the mess that is Sydney, with hotch potch mergers and suburban teams that can't cut it nationally. For some bizarre reason the only solution people can conjure is to exacerbate the problem by resurrecting a bunch of losers in Norths and by doing so thin out an already tightly strung support base for the existing Sydney clubs.

I know, i never said it was- my original post was south and west of the river! [read Ipswich! and the S & SW Brisbane sprawl as opposed to the North of Brisbane-Sunny Coast].

ignoring your loser crack, bringing back the Bears thins out the existing support base for Sydney teams? eh?

Central Coast and North Shore are a helluva lot bigger than the 'deflin lakes' badlands & Ipswich put together, and we have a bid, how's the Ipswich bid going?

 

[lockyrulz]

Who f**king cares?

I'm all for a team on the CC, but it should be a relocation of a Sydney team.

All I ever hear from you guys is how much bigger Sydney is, yet how many Sydney clubs actually turn a profit? Evey QLD club does.

I doubt very much they would if they had to compete with another 6 or so NRL licenses.

It's all so simple, unfortunately so are New South Welshman, or you would have worked all this out by now, and not have this constant drivel about the bears coming back in.

 

[Highway1]

Can't see a southern Brisbane team being accepted into the NRL anytime soon. It'd take a huge chunk out of the Broncos and Titans support.

We can expand the game with a North Coast and/or West Bris/Ipswich team without cannibalising the support for existing clubs.

Yeah thats true, I can't see a southern Brisbane team coming in soon either, but thats what the second brisbane team (a southern Brisbane team in combination with Ipswich and Logan) should be based on I think, if there is a need for one. If it does take a chunk out of the Titans and broncos, I would be more concerned about the Titans as it appears that the titans are slowly becoming a southern brisbane team. Broncos won't suffer to much out of the second brisbane nrl team, I don't think.

north coast or sunny coast won't have team for a long time, not until the sunny coast becomes one urban area like the gold coast, in which the residents of the sunny coast are fighting hard to avoid.

Unfortunately there is not much in "West brisbane" other than Ipswich and the gap, due to the mountains and that, you can't expand west like sydney, Brisbane's geography is north-south based.

you can't avoid cannibalising, and if that happens, there still will be plenty left for pre-existing QLD clubs.

 

[Highway1]

thin

well as the Brisbane River tracks north east to the Bay, there are obviously areas that could be described as south and west of the river, Indooroopilly is obviously west [and north!] of the river!, but you are being pendantic to say the least.

Regardless of its alignment, the Brisbane river in general, divides the City to its north and to its south.

Ok, i admit there is such thing a "Western Suburbs" but the thing is that there is no clear definition of a "western Suburb", thats why I don't like the "west Brisbane" proposal. Even if there is a clear definition of West Brisbane, there isn't much (or enough people sufficient for an nrl team) there anyway. Dude, you live in Brisbane, you should know, there is not much west of Kenmore and Chapel hill because the nimby's want it that way, but in saying that watch out for Springfield and ripley valley in Ipswich.

Indooroopilly, Toowong and others, may be west of the river and CBD, but in general, these suburbs are northside suburbs, full stop.

I suppose, I'am being pedantic, but I just that think that a "west brisbane" proposal is something that wont work and i'm explaining why it wont work. While were at it, lets talk about a hypothetical but unlikely "east brisbane" team? :sarcasm:

But maybe I need to learn more, cos im only 18 years old :lol:

 

[Highway1]

Yea but it isn't anything that would identify itself as a team.

Ipswich is the long term option, no reason to rush though, give it 10 years.

Queensland is the perfect model as is, a solid local comp with a small number of National teams overlaying it.

Now all we need is to fix the mess that is Sydney, with hotch potch mergers and suburban teams that can't cut it nationally. For some bizarre reason the only solution people can conjure is to exacerbate the problem by resurrecting a bunch of losers in Norths and by doing so thin out an already tightly strung support base for the existing Sydney clubs.

Just curious but, what do you mean when you typed "Yea but it isn't anything that would identify itself as a team"?

If you want a stand alone Ipswich team then be prepared to wait 20 years, because that the time when Ipswich has the same number of people by that time, than the Gold Coast has now.

 

[little_aza]

Geelong is a better option for a new NRL side in say 2020 once the Skilled Stadium has been redeveloped to a 40,000 multi-purpose venue with both oval and rectangular configurations... Victoria has a population of over 5 million, in the long term they can support 2 NRL sides.

Order of expansionary needs:

1. Perth: Bringing back the Reds is the ONLY way the NRL can be truly 'national', and will asist with the next TV rights deal. This should be without doubt the NRL's 17th license.

2. SEQ: Greater Brisbane needs a second team. While this won't add to the TV rights deal, it will give 2mil+ people access to another team, and has 0% chance of folding. This team should be called either "Brisbane" or "South Queensland" - labelling a geographic region WITHIN greater Brisbane is stupid, as it immediately alienates the majority of the region's population. Needs to be an entirely new entity, not a relocation job.

3. Wellington: Plenty of talent, and should be exploited. The only factors against it are TV rights and crowds. Would be ideally suited for the relocation of a team from Sydney.

4. Central Coast: more sentimental value than anything else. Does not help with rights, nor enrich talent, and only has a smallish population. But would be nice to have back nonetheless, and must in the form of the Bears.

In saying this, the NRL should not, and cannot exceed 18 teams in the next 20 years.



No other location in Australia or New Zealand, bar none, warrants an NRL team. This is because:

1. Sunshine coast: Too small/too close to Brisbane to not play out of Suncorp, and lacks in infrastructure. Plus, it's not even in a new area.

2. Central Queensland is joke, as Rockhampton, Gladstone and surrounding areas simply don't have the population to sustain a team, and never will (in terms of proportion).

3. RAdelaide: Maybe I'm biased as I'm Victorian (we hate South Australia) but..a team in Adelaide is absolutely senseless and a total waste of time. Population growth is stagnant, infrastructure is rubbish, and just doesn't have potential. It's a backwater with poor infrastructure and cannot even fully sustain two AFL teams (Port Power get tiny crowds compared to other AFL teams), despite the SAFL being very strong. League there is nothing, and an NRL bid there should also be nothing.

4. Geelong is just as stupid as PNG..if not more. In the wise words of Phil Gould: "No No No No NO!" Geelong is tiny, it's a hole and it's growth is minimal. The only reason why the Cats exist is because they started up in something like 1858. League in Victoria is a 'boutique' sport, it simply cannot sustain a second NRL team. Ever. Not even 100 years.

5. PNG :lol::lol:

In saying this, one-off games every year in these locations (maybe PNG don the track) would be good for the game.

 

[Timbo]

I don't quite get the Sunshine Coast hate.

It's larger than Townsville and the same size as Wollongong.

It's close enough to get some corporate dollars out of Brisbane and certainly close enough that if they took their 3 home games against Brisbane, Gold Coast and NQL down to Suncorp that they'd be able to sell out their three Queensland derbys.

It's a rapidly growing area and could easily sustain a team. All they need is a half decent 25,000 seater.