Expansion voting.

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Note, Fans / Supporters of the the Bears who are Bears fans first and foremeost will be lost if they again knock this back. They don't support other teams. Even Gallop has been quoted saying it was in the vicinity of 40,000 + fans that they lost when the Bears went under.

Please don't tell me I should love the code first.

How that stacks up in the bid process is not for me to judge, but I don't know if the same could be said about other bids, the CC Bears bid is unique because of this.

The same argument could be made for the Ipswich team and fans. Granted, no matter who gets admitted, some fans will be lost, but other fans from the other bid will be more committed and might draw on some more.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

No, i actually expect them to prove themselves hypocrites. I'm just pointing out something people take to be a 'truth'. That "Rugby League is truly run by the fans", where the reality is that is far from the truth. I took something as important as expansion and went as far left field as possible to make it obvious.

Something for the fans? Is that why we are going to expand to the WA? Because there is a mass amount of RL fans there calling for a team? No, we are going there because it opens up a brand new market and a new timezone. Its a strategic business decision.

Do me a favour too, show me someone, anyone in Rugby League administration that has said "Rugby League is truly run by the fans".

You did go left field, and then you lost logical reasoning.

 

[dgsfan]

He never had logical reasoning.

 

[BDGS]

How is it that the NRL today has more TV viewers and higher attendances than ever before.

Probably because of the greater population, the new age of technology that has really taken over from about 2002 onwards, the international TV rights are bigger then ever (just looked at how many countries broadcast the Four nations), the fact that there is now a team in the second biggest state of Australia (population wise), the fact that the NRL started in 1998 right after the Super League War finished and how a lot of younger supporters don't even know about the Super league War, the fact that PayTV stations now play a bigger role and the fact that when we got our last TV deal it was seen as a massive deal until the AFL got theirs.

Something for the fans? Is that why we are going to expand to the WA? Because there is a mass amount of RL fans there calling for a team? No, we are going there because it opens up a brand new market and a new timezone. Its a strategic business decision.

Do me a favour too, show me someone, anyone in Rugby League administration that has said "Rugby League is truly run by the fans".

You did go left field, and then you lost logical reasoning.

Take any of them to the local and they'll say it. Contrary to popular belief, the internet does not cotain all in the world.

He never had logical reasoning.

hello parrot.

 

[dgsfan]

Probably because of the greater population, the new age of technology that has really taken over from about 2002 onwards, the international TV rights are bigger then ever (just looked at how many countries broadcast the Four nations), the fact that there is now a team in the second biggest state of Australia (population wise), the fact that the NRL started in 1998 right after the Super League War finished and how a lot of younger supporters don't even know about the Super league War, the fact that PayTV stations now play a bigger role and the fact that when we got our last TV deal it was seen as a massive deal until the AFL got theirs.

Does that mean they also have little knowledge of the Bears, considering they lasted only two years after Super League? Or does that 2 years make all the difference to you argument?

 

[BDGS]

Does that mean they also have little knowledge of the Bears, considering they lasted only two years after Super League? Or does that 2 years make all the difference to you argument?

Whilst younger supporters don't even know about the Super league War and those younger supporters are the future of the games health in so many ways they only make up a proportion of Rugby League's viewership and supporters. If we relied on only kids support we would be smaller then Netball currently is on a national view.

The people that remember the Bears makes up arguably a bigger proportion of the viewership and supporters base.

 

[LESStar58]

WA and CC for mine. Under the circumstances between 1997 and 1999 the Reds and Bears didn't deserve to get punted in the manner they did.

 

[dgsfan]

Did the Crushers?

 

[BDGS]

Did the Crushers?

Where is their bid then?

 

[dgsfan]

So Nth Sydney has a bid? Same area.

 

[Loudstrat]

They were punted after they became a CC representative side, having built a stadium they would have played out of had rain not interfered with building. And yes, same club. Ipswich aint the Crushers.

 

[BDGS]

So Nth Sydney has a bid? Same area.

Yes, The old North Sydney Bears have a bid which was called the Central Coast Bears after first coming up with the plans to move to the Central Coast in the 1990s. You know this sh*t but don't put it into practice. You are brain dead.

 

[dgsfan]

So the fans of Sth QLD don't matter? It's hard to take you seriously, Loudstrat, when your pic clearly defines your bias against QLD.

 

[Kilmo(SP)]

Western Australian Reds and Central Coast Bears for 2013

That is all.......from me =)​

 

[Loudstrat]

So the fans of Sth QLD don't matter? It's hard to take you seriously, Loudstrat, when your pic clearly defines your bias against QLD.

Look you dumb arse simpleton, the reason the Crushers are no longer around is because Queenslanders themselves killed them off - first by turning against them when they stayed loyal to the ARL, and secondly meekly ignoring it when the Broncos ordered their 5 year exclusivity zone over SEQ.

South Queensland matters, but they are so far behind it ain't funny. And just because you are in QLD doesnt give you a God given right to a team ahead of those ready to go and with a greater guarantee of success. In fact if the Crushers rose again (IMHO the best option) - where is their fan base? There is no market for retro jumpers, there are no old Crushers fans going nuts waiting for their next NRL game, there are no ex players pushing their name for re-admittance.

I am not against current Crushers fans - they simply do not exist.

 

[dgsfan]

Crushers fans may not exist but South QLD fans do.

 

[bobmar28]

They were punted after they became a CC representative side, having built a stadium they would have played out of had rain not interfered with building. And yes, same club. Ipswich aint the Crushers.

Who cares? Ipswich Jets will be the 4th Qld NRL team (if they get their community and financial support). Sydney has too many teams now. Why add another one?

 

[Goddo]

If the Bears hadn't merged, demerged and then been booted, another Sydney club would have been under the criteria in 1999. It wouldn't have been Penrith, Canterbury or Cronulla. Probably the chooks or Manly.

The same is true of Gold Coast or the Crushers. If one of them hadn't been booted, the Cowboys would probably not exist today.

Was this fair? Not really, but needed to be done because of economics. My only gripe is that the criteria used looked at current (1999) finances which were skewed because of SL, and recent crowds which were also skewed due to recent form. Cronulla would have been the first team cut under the "criteria" in any year, except for 1997-1999.

The point is its silly to argue over the criteria and what happened as if that is cause to make important decissions now.

The NRL has to make a decision on expansion that is in the best interests of the game as a whole, not just a subset of the games fans who used to follow the Bears.

The best way for the game to expand is for:

* another Queensland team (Ipswich being the only viable option really) to provide more high rating Queensland matches to sell to pay TV and free-to-air, and to

* expand in Perth to provide another non-NSW/Qld licence which will have local content value to broadcasters (especially since the anti-siphoning law changes), tap into a large unrepresented market, and offer a unique time zone for broadcasts into the east coast

The Bears have little actual value for the NRL which is why no matter how good their bid, they are likely to be ignored. Thats life.

 

[Red&BlackBear]

If Ipswich is the only viable option then your arguement is lost goddo. Ipswich just isn't ready. Listen to someone who has lived around there and still has family there. This isn't cause I'm a Bears fan either, it's because Ipswich just doesn't have what it needs to be a successful national sporting franchise ATM. Lack of infrastructure, lack of sponsors, lack of corporate support, lack of community support, lack of a business model, lack of an identity or area, lack of a plan, lack of resources (a genuine club house not the small current jets league), a HQ, nrl standard training facilities etc..

In 10years time, maybe slightly less they will be ready. Not now or in the next few years however. Btw what's the point of tv revenue of your using 90% of it to prop a team up anyways? Eg Storm bring in tv money due to their location but so much of that is used to keep them stable.

WAReds & CCBears for 2013.

 

[PaulyTom]

I don't think any one can deny that Central Coast have the most advanced bid. If Ipswich and or CQ had spent more time developing their bids then they probably would have made it. I just feel CQ and Ipswich need another 2-3 years of development of growing their bid.