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Parramatta Eels set to axe Nathan Hindmarsh in $1.5M cleanout

Wise Old Eel

Juniors
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448
This so called “cleanout” is just garbage. There is a cleanout nearly every season. Take a look at today’s squad & compare it to the squad from 2007. How many players are still here? What 5, 6, 7 out of 25-30 squad members? I am all for building for the future and investing in the juniors – as I am sure we all are & I am not privy to the “work” being put into such an investment by the current coaching regime. However, I suspect this “academy” is nothing more than window dressing for a return to a system Brian Smith put in place whilst he was here – which has been somewhat neglected since he left. The only difference is the progress Brian Smith was making was evident from the outset. My main gripe with Stephen Kearney and his coaching staff is the lack of results. Even more than that, it is the lack of progress with the NRL squad. Surely, you have to show that improvement along the way to building a club’s future? A good example of this was Des Hasler with Manly. They showed steady improvement year after year until they won the competition. At the moment, we appear to be going backwards. All we hear is excuses as to why it is not working yet. Excuses designed to gloss over the distinct possibility that Kearney may well not be capable of getting any more out of the team.

As far as Hindy being tapped on the shoulder, someone here said “If it had of been Bennett doing the tapping would there still have been the outcry?”. Well, no. That’s because Wayne Bennett has a track record of success over a long period of time – which PROVES he knows what he is doing. We, on the other hand, have a coach that before last year had never coached an NRL side. Whose resume consisted of 2 successful campaigns for New Zealand while Wayne Bennett was in the camp to hold his hand (nothing of note since) & being an assistant coach under Craig Bellamy. Well, at least we can all rest easy in knowing the drills sessions are run like clockwork nowadays. There are a lot of people putting their faith in someone who was hired on the recommendation of his mates. To me, the Parramatta Eels NRL team are currently under the tutelage of nothing more than a coach’s assistant in a head coach’s jacket & Stephen Kearney is living proof that lack of ability and experience will never stand in the way of you getting the job you want if you have friends in high places. It also leads me to believe that those running the club were (& continue to be) naive, gullible and clueless.

I mentioned last year that I feared we were heading back to the dark old days of the late 80’s/early 90’s & there were those of you on this forum who shot me down with great vigour & conviction. Tell me, how are feeling at the moment? Still confident?

WOE
 

Eels Dude

Coach
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Duncan did not act alone he was well supported by Sard and Osborne, the later convinced the Board to change coach and fed incorrect information to the Board about player tensions with DA.

If that's the case then what's to say it won't happen again. Maybe the club need to bring someone independent in to do a review and see if there are underlying issues between the players and the coaching staff. If the board are only relying on what the CEO tells them, and/or the CEO is only relying on what the coaching staff tells him then they'll never get to the core of the matter.
 

Cloudsurfer

Juniors
Messages
1,184
This so called “cleanout” is just garbage. There is a cleanout nearly every season. Take a look at today’s squad & compare it to the squad from 2007. How many players are still here? What 5, 6, 7 out of 25-30 squad members? I am all for building for the future and investing in the juniors – as I am sure we all are & I am not privy to the “work” being put into such an investment by the current coaching regime. However, I suspect this “academy” is nothing more than window dressing for a return to a system Brian Smith put in place whilst he was here – which has been somewhat neglected since he left. The only difference is the progress Brian Smith was making was evident from the outset. My main gripe with Stephen Kearney and his coaching staff is the lack of results. Even more than that, it is the lack of progress with the NRL squad. Surely, you have to show that improvement along the way to building a club’s future? A good example of this was Des Hasler with Manly. They showed steady improvement year after year until they won the competition. At the moment, we appear to be going backwards. All we hear is excuses as to why it is not working yet. Excuses designed to gloss over the distinct possibility that Kearney may well not be capable of getting any more out of the team.

As far as Hindy being tapped on the shoulder, someone here said “If it had of been Bennett doing the tapping would there still have been the outcry?”. Well, no. That’s because Wayne Bennett has a track record of success over a long period of time – which PROVES he knows what he is doing. We, on the other hand, have a coach that before last year had never coached an NRL side. Whose resume consisted of 2 successful campaigns for New Zealand while Wayne Bennett was in the camp to hold his hand (nothing of note since) & being an assistant coach under Craig Bellamy. Well, at least we can all rest easy in knowing the drills sessions are run like clockwork nowadays. There are a lot of people putting their faith in someone who was hired on the recommendation of his mates. To me, the Parramatta Eels NRL team are currently under the tutelage of nothing more than a coach’s assistant in a head coach’s jacket & Stephen Kearney is living proof that lack of ability and experience will never stand in the way of you getting the job you want if you have friends in high places. It also leads me to believe that those running the club were (& continue to be) naive, gullible and clueless.

I mentioned last year that I feared we were heading back to the dark old days of the late 80’s/early 90’s & there were those of you on this forum who shot me down with great vigour & conviction. Tell me, how are feeling at the moment? Still confident?

WOE

Does that help Storm win games? :sarcasm:

Who...Wayne Bennett & Craig Bellamy? :crazy: to listen to THEM!
 

Avenger

Immortal
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35,779
This so called “cleanout” is just garbage. There is a cleanout nearly every season. Take a look at today’s squad & compare it to the squad from 2007. How many players are still here? What 5, 6, 7 out of 25-30 squad members? I am all for building for the future and investing in the juniors – as I am sure we all are & I am not privy to the “work” being put into such an investment by the current coaching regime. However, I suspect this “academy” is nothing more than window dressing for a return to a system Brian Smith put in place whilst he was here – which has been somewhat neglected since he left. The only difference is the progress Brian Smith was making was evident from the outset. My main gripe with Stephen Kearney and his coaching staff is the lack of results. Even more than that, it is the lack of progress with the NRL squad. Surely, you have to show that improvement along the way to building a club’s future? A good example of this was Des Hasler with Manly. They showed steady improvement year after year until they won the competition. At the moment, we appear to be going backwards. All we hear is excuses as to why it is not working yet. Excuses designed to gloss over the distinct possibility that Kearney may well not be capable of getting any more out of the team.

As far as Hindy being tapped on the shoulder, someone here said “If it had of been Bennett doing the tapping would there still have been the outcry?”. Well, no. That’s because Wayne Bennett has a track record of success over a long period of time – which PROVES he knows what he is doing. We, on the other hand, have a coach that before last year had never coached an NRL side. Whose resume consisted of 2 successful campaigns for New Zealand while Wayne Bennett was in the camp to hold his hand (nothing of note since) & being an assistant coach under Craig Bellamy. Well, at least we can all rest easy in knowing the drills sessions are run like clockwork nowadays. There are a lot of people putting their faith in someone who was hired on the recommendation of his mates. To me, the Parramatta Eels NRL team are currently under the tutelage of nothing more than a coach’s assistant in a head coach’s jacket & Stephen Kearney is living proof that lack of ability and experience will never stand in the way of you getting the job you want if you have friends in high places. It also leads me to believe that those running the club were (& continue to be) naive, gullible and clueless.

I mentioned last year that I feared we were heading back to the dark old days of the late 80’s/early 90’s & there were those of you on this forum who shot me down with great vigour & conviction. Tell me, how are feeling at the moment? Still confident?

WOE

Mate, I always look forward to your posts. Well said and spot on. Management f**ked up by sacking Ando and hiring a rookie.
 

Hanscholo

Bench
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4,818
Mmmm well hindys lateral movement is going. Still not sure i would push a club legend out under the spotlight to a firing squad to relieve pressure on the coach. Id retain hindmarsh, play him off the bench and in the front row where frankly he should have been since hagan was there. Give him a cut down deal, make use of him and let him retire gracefully and giving something back to the club by mentoing work ethic to the younger blokes. Pretty disgraceful effort.
 

eels81236

Bench
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3,658
LOOK THE BOARD HAS TO GO....
CANTERBURRY CLEANED UP THERE ACT AND THEY ACTED FAST I CONGRATUALTE THEM FOR THAT.WTF IS HAPPENING AT PARRA.
THIS KEARNEY BASHING IS WARRANTED HE CANT COACH.WHEN HINDY THREW THAT OFFLAOD IT WAS LIKE f$$K YOU .FORGET STRUCTURE.ASK YOUR WIFE WHEN YOU MAKE LVOE TO HER IF SHE WANTS STRUCTURE THAN FLIP HER UPSIDE DOWN .IT WORKS FOR MELBOURNE CAUSE THEY HAVE A FREAK IN SLATER.
IMAGINE PUTTING IN ALL THIS EFFORT KNOWING YOU WONT WIN.WE NEED TO F;;KN OFFLOAD ITS OUR ONLY CHANCE TO BREAK THE LINE.INSIDE BALLS SOMTHING FOR f**K SAKE ...THE PLAYERS NEED TO BE ALLOWED TO PLAY.I HOPE STEVE LISTENS TO THIS

If you keep yelling he wont have a choice.
 

Hanscholo

Bench
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4,818
Hagan was the reigning woodenspoon coach when signed. What Fitzi saw in him is absolutely beyond me.

Taylor took us to the semi's when it looked like we could get the spoon and we had only one fit prop I recall.

Hagan beat u in a gf is what he saw.
 

Poupou Escobar

Post Whore
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I mentioned last year that I feared we were heading back to the dark old days of the late 80’s/early 90’s & there were those of you on this forum who shot me down with great vigour & conviction. Tell me, how are feeling at the moment? Still confident?

Yes I am.

It's only round 4 you muppet. Don't f**king write us off so quickly.
 

adrianbow

Juniors
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1
I don't think you can blame these players. They only do what the coach tells them to do. Kearney had 5 years at the Storm under Graig Bellamy. I think most people expected him to bring all that he learnt there to the Eels. But there is nothing Melbourne like about the eels. Isn't it part of the coaches job to instill a winning culture? I think Kearney is too young and inexperienced
to get the best out of the players.
 

Ollie Webb

Juniors
Messages
142
Originally Posted by Wise Old Eel
This so called “cleanout” is just garbage. There is a cleanout nearly every season. Take a look at today’s squad & compare it to the squad from 2007. How many players are still here? What 5, 6, 7 out of 25-30 squad members? I am all for building for the future and investing in the juniors – as I am sure we all are & I am not privy to the “work” being put into such an investment by the current coaching regime. However, I suspect this “academy” is nothing more than window dressing for a return to a system Brian Smith put in place whilst he was here – which has been somewhat neglected since he left. The only difference is the progress Brian Smith was making was evident from the outset. My main gripe with Stephen Kearney and his coaching staff is the lack of results. Even more than that, it is the lack of progress with the NRL squad. Surely, you have to show that improvement along the way to building a club’s future? A good example of this was Des Hasler with Manly. They showed steady improvement year after year until they won the competition. At the moment, we appear to be going backwards. All we hear is excuses as to why it is not working yet. Excuses designed to gloss over the distinct possibility that Kearney may well not be capable of getting any more out of the team.

As far as Hindy being tapped on the shoulder, someone here said “If it had of been Bennett doing the tapping would there still have been the outcry?”. Well, no. That’s because Wayne Bennett has a track record of success over a long period of time – which PROVES he knows what he is doing. We, on the other hand, have a coach that before last year had never coached an NRL side. Whose resume consisted of 2 successful campaigns for New Zealand while Wayne Bennett was in the camp to hold his hand (nothing of note since) & being an assistant coach under Craig Bellamy. Well, at least we can all rest easy in knowing the drills sessions are run like clockwork nowadays. There are a lot of people putting their faith in someone who was hired on the recommendation of his mates. To me, the Parramatta Eels NRL team are currently under the tutelage of nothing more than a coach’s assistant in a head coach’s jacket & Stephen Kearney is living proof that lack of ability and experience will never stand in the way of you getting the job you want if you have friends in high places. It also leads me to believe that those running the club were (& continue to be) naive, gullible and clueless.

I mentioned last year that I feared we were heading back to the dark old days of the late 80’s/early 90’s & there were those of you on this forum who shot me down with great vigour & conviction. Tell me, how are feeling at the moment? Still confident?

WOE


Great thread WOE, there has been no improvement in the last 18 months.
There was a clean out by SK with Grothe (although at the start), Webb,Humble, Reddy,Mortimer, Robson, Uaisele and Mitchell.
Replaced by Tonga x 2, Sandow, Roberts and Blair.

These signings were supposed to improve the squad, yet progress has been backwards. The Toyota Cup is 2 from 4, slight improvement on previous years at this stage, but the U/18's are struggling and the U/16 are not near as dominant as past years.

The Academy if successful will not produce players for atleast another 2 years, under Smith we had players developing all the time and coming into the NRL as u/18 or u/19 year olds players such as Cayless, Hindmarsh, Smith B, Robinson, Lyon, Burt, Vaeliki and Reddy. Aside from Loko last year (who was already ear marked during 2010) who has been developed from within.

Current NRL players are not improving, Sio (whilst talented and with potential) the other night was badly out of position as a fullback- not coached. Blair was caught out also. Players in defensive lines worked against one another and the skill level of the team with the ball was very poor!

Progress if any is very, very, very slow!
 

Stagger eel

Moderator
Staff member
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I don't think you can blame these players. They only do what the coach tells them to do. Kearney had 5 years at the Storm under Graig Bellamy. I think most people expected him to bring all that he learnt there to the Eels. But there is nothing Melbourne like about the eels. Isn't it part of the coaches job to instill a winning culture? I think Kearney is too young and inexperienced
to get the best out of the players.

question..because i understand we're all experts in coaching at NRL level, but if the HC implements a game plan and the players fail to execute it than who do you blame??
 

Poupou Escobar

Post Whore
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Mate, I always look forward to your posts. Well said and spot on. Management f**ked up by sacking Ando and hiring a rookie.

Unlike Anderson, this coach will leave the club in better shape than he found it in. Whether he's gone next week, next year or in ten years time.

How's Anderson's side going these days? How about all the clubs caught up in a bidding war for his services?
 
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