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What is really going on at wests tigers ?

chunk

Juniors
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The 'Tiger' is the real draw card and the Wests Tigers as they should, promote and market that.

Some of the Wests side can't handle this.....but it makes sense. As does having one reserve grade team but Wests can't see this....but it makes sense.

Playing at the SFS also makes sense because it makes money.

Harry T is a Balmain man and he is the clubs main sponsor.

No wonder Wests haven't had any success in the past 40 years, they're a bit on the dopey side
 

R2Coupe

Juniors
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The removal of Sheens was always going to have ramifications. In saying that, the appointment of Kevin Walters would be a smart choice especially if he could bring Gillmeister with him as defensive coach. Two years under Bellamy is a good regime.
 

Stagger Lee

Bench
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Where is the leadership at the club? After so many years the club should have patched up any lingering resentment in the JV. Instead it appears, to us outsiders at least, that the festering puss filled sore is about to burst.

This same 'leadership' seems responsible for a lot of angst and confusion in the playing ranks regarding contracts.
 
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The 'Tiger' is the real draw card and the Wests Tigers as they should, promote and market that.

Some of the Wests side can't handle this.....but it makes sense. As does having one reserve grade team but Wests can't see this....but it makes sense.

Playing at the SFS also makes sense because it makes money.

Harry T is a Balmain man and he is the clubs main sponsor.

No wonder Wests haven't had any success in the past 40 years, they're a bit on the dopey side

Yeah, 1969 is so recent, it's imprinted in my memory. :lol:

I understand that the Tiger brand is what Balmain brought to the table, unfortunately it seems that it's all they have left on it. f**king inner-west paupers.

Believe it or not I'm not overly pissed off with Balmain about the NSW Cup team, I would have expected them to vote for a single NSW Cup side but the JV board was unanimous and plenty of the fossils on that board owe a lot to the black and white crest on the wall outside their Leagues Clubs.

Playing at the SFS is a cop-out for a few bucks, nothing more. It settles a problem for them, when they decide who plays where there's no argument with the 3 home grounds, the better drawing teams play at the SFS. It doesn't help grow the brand at all. They've pretty much given the Macarthur area the flick and I would love another team, even the f**king Roosters, to do what they've threatened and poach the whole area.

Enjoy watching Melbourne and NZ run around Leichhardt again next year.
 

clutch

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Even StGeorge Illawarra a much more stable vers....we lost a side in wollongong, for what? So a sydney side could pretend to play there?

Pretend? Half their home games are played out of Win stadium mate. The Dragons were the best thing to happen to league in the Illawarra. The Steelers were run by self serving dinosaurs.

Cannot compare that JV to the Tigers or the Eagles

Agree with Joker here.

The difference with SGI is that all the value was and is in St George. The cash, the heritage, the brand, the support, etc.

Illawarra have the junior nursery, but it's worthless if the club can't utilise any of the key success factors required to operate a professional sports club business. They didn't have this as the Steelers.

The SGI marriage is a good one. St George had a history of tapping the Illawarra region for players prior to the Steelers entry anyway. In the end, the Steelers half know that there would not be any Illawarra representation at all if the takeover didn't eventuate.

If it is true that Balmain are in financial trouble and the joint is being bankrolled by the Magpies side of the marriage, it's understandable that the Magpies feel sidelined. If they're doing the majority of the work to keep the club afloat why should they be treated as second best and why should Balmain be favourited.

If Wests are carrying most of the burden, and if Balmain does fall over, Wests might be in a position to go it alone again.

Western Suburbs have got no hope of going it alone in the NRL. That's their problem. If they did, they would not have entered the merger and they would've already cut Balmain loose.

Balmain contribute the factors that generates value - branding and supporters.


At the end of the day Balmain is the hot chick with the big fake tits that everyone wants to be seen with and party with.

Wests is the rich old fart who wouldn't have a mate if he didn't have a quid.

It's a marriage of convenience but both sides know that if it dissolved Wests would be like the Bob Jane bloke racing go karts in front of 2 people before he carks it and Balmain would be turning tricks on william St for a quid

The JV ain't going to be disbanded, because hate eachother as they may, Balmain don't have the dosh and wests don't have the appeal, never have and never will

:lol: The best summation of the situation. Well done.


Does the Leagues club really contribute that much these days to the NRL club? Surely the NRL entity should be self funding with both leagues clubs responsible for funding the jnr development pathways and maybe contributing the NSW cup teams costs?
Yep, but it's predominantly the intangibles of the Balmain side that generate it. They might not be physically providing the funding as efficiently Western Suburbs can via their affiliate leagues clubs, but a lot of the revenue coming through the doors of the Wests Tigers as a joint venture would be largely generated by Balmain's assets.

So did the JV make Balmain tigers merge with Ryde-Eastwood? To be fair Concord isn't that far from Leichhardt. That seems to be major issue with Magpies complaining
Ordinarily, it shouldn't be a problem, but if the NSW Cup team is largely made of Wests Juniors that live in the Macarthur region, and they will realistically provide the players in the future, then the logistics do need to be looked at. Ideally for cost effectiveness, all teams under the JV banner should train at the same facility, but this situation isn't the norm.

The 'Tiger' is the real draw card and the Wests Tigers as they should, promote and market that.

Some of the Wests side can't handle this.....but it makes sense. As does having one reserve grade team but Wests can't see this....but it makes sense.

Playing at the SFS also makes sense because it makes money.

Harry T is a Balmain man and he is the clubs main sponsor.

No wonder Wests haven't had any success in the past 40 years, they're a bit on the dopey side


I understand that the Tiger brand is what Balmain brought to the table, unfortunately it seems that it's all they have left on it. f**king inner-west paupers.

Believe it or not I'm not overly pissed off with Balmain about the NSW Cup team, I would have expected them to vote for a single NSW Cup side but the JV board was unanimous and plenty of the fossils on that board owe a lot to the black and white crest on the wall outside their Leagues Clubs.

Playing at the SFS is a cop-out for a few bucks, nothing more. It settles a problem for them, when they decide who plays where there's no argument with the 3 home grounds, the better drawing teams play at the SFS. It doesn't help grow the brand at all. They've pretty much given the Macarthur area the flick and I would love another team, even the f**king Roosters, to do what they've threatened and poach the whole area.

Enjoy watching Melbourne and NZ run around Leichhardt again next year.

The 'Tiger' brand is one of the strongest in the NRL and a large proportion of the support is aligned to it.

I agree with Everlovin regarding SFS home matches though. It doesn't help the growth of the JV in the Macarthur region where its potential for new fans --->> new game-day attendees --->> growth in ticketed members -->> guaranteed supporter revenue is greatest.

SFS can decide to offer an inferior deal anytime, but supporters will stay for life.
 

newman

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Amazing what a few years at or just below the top does to your sense of perspective. In the last 10 years the Tigers have won a premiership in the most fairy-tale of circumstances, threatened to win one on a couple of other occasions, and been an NRL glamour club all along the way playing some great football.

Now some say they have underachieved and its time for change.

Be careful what you wish for.

This Tigers story reminds me alot of my club, the Sharks in the 2002/2003 period. We were used to being amongst the pointy end and played some great football for a number of years but it was agreed that our long term coach, Johnny Lang, should be shown the door as "we need change". In rolled Chris Anderson who pissed off some great clubmen in atrocious circumstances, similar to what happened with Ryan, Gibbs and Heighno, and brought in Kimmorley (Anasta!) and after one good year it was a downward spiral ever f**king since. We were never able to stem the bleeding because we didnt have the cash but all along we were promised that a massive property development would save us. None of this is identical but it looks awfully familiar.

We made the finals once in the following 5 years (2006) only to be bundled out in rd 1 and nearly ended up with a couple of spoons.

It will take a miracle for the Tigers not to be fractured and completely shithouse next year. A miracle.

Now hopefully we can finally beat the merkins.
 
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Who here has ever been attacked by a tiger? Now on the other hand magpies attack thousands of Australians every year. Magpies>tigers
 

MadPie

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"Balmain contribute the factors that generates value - branding and supporters."

Noticed that said a couple times in this thread. Could someone please elaborate on and substantiate this-I must be missing something.

Wests Tigers is far better branding than the Balmain Magpies for obvious reasons...you limit it geographicaly too much otherwise. A Tiger is sexier and more exotic than a Magpie..sure. 'Tigers' rolls off the tongue better than 'Wests', hence the association with Balmain. No problem. Is that the reason for stating 'bring the branding'? Magpies are the best known football brand in this country thanks to Collingwood, but thats beside the point, but makes those claims moot. In terms of supporters, not sure how one can claim that-has someone done a headcount and survey? I wont say one way or another, but most older WT supporters west of Haberfield would have originally been Magpies supporters. Having lived and grown up nearby, that was and is obvious. Hell, even Concord oval was the original ground for the maggies (St Lukes as it was known then). That is why many older Wests supporters have happily gone on supporting the WT and Camp Concord and remain silent. A JV was neccessary, and while there are no perfect JVs in football, it was a a more palpable marriage, as Balmain and Wests were essentially neighbours and both foundation clubs. The Wests supporters in the MaCarthur region may rightly feel ignored for reasons stated in numerous previous posts, and WT probably need to do more to look after the fans and all important nursery there. That's my 2 cents worth.

Balmain and Wests have taken plenty of hits over the years and will survive these minor rumblings in response to the thread title.
 

gronkathon

First Grade
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From the last members info session in regards to season tickets "the majority of our membership sales are centered around the leichhardt oval games"

But it is all neither here nor there. We need to move forward as one entity
 
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When you're adding orange to Magpies colours it makes sense to call them Tigers. Ever seen an orange magpie?

I think part of the problem for Wests is that it is such a generic name. Plus the dickheads who run the game have tried so hard for many years now to call teams by their nicknames all the time it's not surprising that the nickname sticks more with people, especially when the place name is something like "Wests" that could mean anywhere west of the city really.
 

gerg

Bench
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They seem to have some great juniors coming through the ranks. Those juniors succeeding could be a few years off though. They missed their window of opportunity to win a premiership in the past two years and look to be rebuilding.

I'd wish Tigers fans the best of luck but I can't get the memory of a Tigers yokel with no teeth spitting at opposition fans a few years back.
 

Ronnie Dobbs

Coach
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When you're adding orange to Magpies colours it makes sense to call them Tigers. Ever seen an orange magpie?

I think part of the problem for Wests is that it is such a generic name. Plus the dickheads who run the game have tried so hard for many years now to call teams by their nicknames all the time it's not surprising that the nickname sticks more with people, especially when the place name is something like "Wests" that could mean anywhere west of the city really.

I've seen an Orange Magpie. When I visted Orange. More than one too.
 

innsaneink

Referee
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We want change, we are getting it, somewhat....

We are trying to rid the club of a ''its not waht you know or how hard you work, its who youre mates with '' culture that Sheens has allowed to fester for years

Its allowed him to save his own arse when hes needed to, sacrificing players here and there...but we still have Moltzen, who needs to be punted, and we still have Benji....who needs a real good kick in the pants and a long hard look in the mirror

But, I dunno what to believe any more
Ive supported Wests & now this mobe for 40+ years, Humphreys and Sheens have managed to dilute my passion for the club and the game to pure nothing....I wanna be proud of my team again, there are players there that havent earnt a spot, the CEO every time he speaks is in riddles and contradictions which the media just lap up every single time....his player contract negs leave a LOT to be desired, has a CEO of any other club generated such querying uncertain stories in the media with all his player dealings?

Its a boys club
 

WayneBennett

Juniors
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Ahem, one question if I may.... if the Magpie " Branding" is so tainted and couldnt go alone again, and say, hypothetically, ( very as I like the Tiges ) Balmain goes belly up, do Wests retain rights to the Tigers name? Or would they have to be the Magpies and wear Victa on their strip again ?
 

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