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1st Test: Australia v Sri Lanka at Hobart Dec 14-18, 2012

AlwaysGreen

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I agree Earl, Cummins shouldn't be considered in discussions. He's been away from the game so long who knows what he'll be like coming back.

I'd say with Ponting out of the team we may see less of his second cousin hilfenhous as well.
 

Earl

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It just really shits me that blokes who dominated Sheild cricket for years, players like Bevan, Lehmann, Bichel, Kasprowicz etc etc hardly played any test cricket. Obviously there was good reasons for it though.

Fast foward to 2012 and an 18 year old with 4 first class games and 'potential' is seen as one of the best players in the country.

Obviously we were doing something right in the later part of the 90's and into the 00's

Everyone played alot of Sheild cricket, even the test players, and as well as that alot of Aussies played plenty of County Cricket which only helps their development.

Now Aussie cricket is struggling and as a result we seem to be playing less and less First Class cricket.
 

undertaker

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f**k rotation, its a dumb f**king concept. Either you're good enough or you're not.

A rotation policy is rewarding fringe players who don't deserve test selection

To me, the rotation policy ONLY belongs in ODIs and T20 (which are played substantially more than tests), but NEVER in the highest form of the game.

I sound like a broken record, but I will say again: factoring in form and injuries, test matches should ALWAYS be the best XI. It's got nothing to do with selfishness at all. Players shouldn't get a go at test level for the sake of getting a go due to rotation policy.

Pat Cummins shouldn't even be considered for Test cricket at the moment, and he is proving that himself by spending so much time injured but somehow he is still considered in the top couple of quicks in Australia.

He needs to rack up 50 first class games to prove himself good enough first, and the worst part is that isn't even remotely possible because of the Big Bash Wank getting in the way of Sheffeild Sheild cridcket.

QFT! I too am pissed off at the number of people wanking on about Cummins just because he bowled well in that test in Johannesburg

Pat Cummins = Jason Gillespie Mk II. The kid is extremely talented, but, sadly, until he gets his long-term fitness up via more Sheffield Shield and first-class matches, he's going to have a very short career in the national side if he's going to be in, out, in, out etc. Not just him, but ALL our fast bowlers have to get their long-term fitness up as they all seem to be constantly breaking down with injuries. We didn't have this endemic 10+ years ago to the extent we have now.
 
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undertaker

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It just really shits me that blokes who dominated Sheild cricket for years, players like Bevan, Lehmann, Bichel, Kasprowicz etc etc hardly played any test cricket. Obviously there was good reasons for it though.

100% agreed. Those players were extremely unlucky to have been playing during 1994-2004, which I would say we had more natural talent than any other country in the history of the game during that era. Stuart MacGill is another one you can add to that list.

What's a travesty is someone like Mitchell Johnson, with all the flaws in his game as well as lack of discipline, has played 48 tests, when there has been far more consistent and accurate bowlers such as Bichel, Kasprowicz etc. Even Dougy Bollinger is better, and was unfortunately screwed over by CA regarding preparation for the 2010 India tour and Ashes (we all know the story to that, which is a joke within itself)

Only our current administration would allow players like Johnson to play 48 tests, Michael Beer to play 2, Xavier Doherty to play 2, Nathan Hauritz to play 17, Shaun Marsh to play 7, Cameron Shite to play 4 and Marcus North to play 21. An absolute joke that those guys got a run, and furthermore played as many as they did.
 

undertaker

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Everyone played alot of Sheild cricket, even the test players, and as well as that alot of Aussies played plenty of County Cricket which only helps their development.

That's one of the reasons why most of the Australian fans today feel detached and emotionally separated from the side compared to 10+ years ago.

When I started watching cricket in the mid-90s, the players in the national side still turned out for their state (and sometimes their Sydney grade sides) sides in the Sheffield Shield and Mercantile Mutual Cup on a regular basis, in between international matches. Even well into the last decade, players like the Waugh brothers regularly turned out for NSW. The fans who couldn't afford to regularly go to the big matches could still see their heroes on the smaller stage (now ticket prices at the cricket, which I mentioned in another thread, have gone up even higher. Go to Ticketek and you'll see what I mean).

Over the last few years though - since the rise of T20 cricket, that very rarely happens now and also the players are more interested in stuffing that big pockets with endorsements and being plastered all over magazine covers etc.
 
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undertaker

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Why don't we have twice as many Sheffield Shield games and half as many one dayers and even less twenty20 bullshit?.

Can you believe that not so long ago, because of T20, there was talk of scrapping the Sheffield Shield final? That would've been absolutely farcical. Many players, who never wore the baggy green, always said that the Shield final is of great significance to them as, to them, it was the closest to a test match they could get.

Edit: Below are the links which support this:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...eld-shield-final/story-e6frey50-1225968844912
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/s...t-t20-juggernaut/story-e6frf9if-1225837971596
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/the-incredible-shrinking-sheffield-shield-20110207-1ak5j.html
 
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Twizzle

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f**k rotation, its a dumb f**king concept. Either you're good enough or you're not.

A rotation policy is rewarding fringe players who don't deserve test selection.

You need at least 3 quicks in test cricket and one of them has to be an economical bowler who ties down one end.

agree

how many of the saffas got rotated ?

none

who has all the injured bowlers ?

Australia

it obviously doesn't work and the saffas had no problems backing up for Perth
 

Twizzle

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he's done enough for mine, he is a penetrating bowler like Pattinson

watch how he gets his wickets in T/20, he doesn't get batsmen caught forward of the wicket with slow balls and the like, he gets them bowled, LBW and ct at the wicket

thats a penetrating bowling and exactly what we need in our test team

this is a typical example where stats are irrelevant imo
 

Xfactor1979

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], there was talk of scrapping the Sheffield Shield final?


Actually the talk of scrapping the shield final was because

1. nobody watched or cared about the shield final
2. the home team always wins
3. theres only 6 states playing, 1st v 2nd in a 6 team "competition" to decide who takes it out? I mean, seriously? Its like making there to be a 4th game of State of Origin to decide who wins the national competition, it doesnt make any sense!
 

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thats crap that no one cares or watches the final, its televised on Fox now
 

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Lets forget notch's poor bowling record for a minute. Did anyone see the shot he played to get out in the 2nd innings in Perth? With an outside chance of salvaging a draw this supposed allrounder at number 8 tries to hoik the spinner to rotnest island.

The guy isn't mentally tough enough or cares enough to play test cricket.

:lol::lol: Best description of a shot ever.

Won't matter too much though, hear the pitch is another Bellerive uneven green seamer. Johnson will probably get 8-20 and be guaranteed a spot for 2 years, where on fair dinkum tracks he'll go at 4.6 per and average 47 per wicket.
 

Earl

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he's done enough for mine, he is a penetrating bowler like Pattinson

watch how he gets his wickets in T/20, he doesn't get batsmen caught forward of the wicket with slow balls and the like, he gets them bowled, LBW and ct at the wicket

thats a penetrating bowling and exactly what we need in our test team

this is a typical example where stats are irrelevant imo

While his stats may be irrelavent his experience isn't.

He has played 4 first class games, and now has his 3rd serious injury in 3 seasons.

Their is absolutely no doubt the kid has 'potential' but how is he ever going to realise it if he isn't given a chance to build experience, fitness and confidence in First Class cricket
 

Twizzle

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its a catch 22, he cant play if he is injured

he's still pretty young so he has heaps of time
 

Earl

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This is true

I just wish they'd ban him from playing international cricket for now. He's played nothing but T20 and One Day Cricket when fit.

Give him one or two seasons of uniterrupted First Class cricket with no IPL or any rubbish like that and I bet he comes up good.
 

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The dawn of a new era is now just 48 hours away.

The Hughes that swaggered into the Bellerive nets yesterday, a pair of sunnies briefly masking the streetfighter's stare, was not the Hughes that spluttered and scratched around in an identical spot exactly 12 months ago.

This time, Hughes looked sharp, effervescent and technically solid -- the antithesis of the out-of-sorts 23-year-old whose Bellerive net session a year ago was so insipid he looked a broken man ready to walk the (baggy) green mile.

In 12 months he has gone from "broken", "spluttered", "scratched" to "streetfighter", "swaggered", "sharp", "effervescent", "technically solid".
Of course, net sessions don't always tell the full story. But sometimes the small, almost imperceptible moments can speak volumes, which is why Hughes's hour-long session yesterday suggests he has made a quantum leap both technically and metaphorically.


It was only a year ago that Hughes's confidence was so shot that Australian colleagues applauded his promising net shots and looked the other way when he repeatedly nicked off rookie quick Mitchell Starc, who was so reluctant to rub salt into the opener's wounds he gave up celebrating.

But Hughes's body language alone told a different tale yesterday. At 3.59pm, in his third incarnation a Test batsman, he walked into the nets.

The statement was instant. Nathan Lyon sent down a tepid warm-up ball.

Bang. Hughes stepped back quickly, concisely, and punched it through the covers.

The off-side has never been his Achilles. The more compelling evidence came later, when he produced two spanking pull shots, the most emphatic sign of the secret technical adjustments he made in the winter.

Ladies and gentleman, his time has arrived.

The Phil Hughes era begins on Friday morning.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ar-ago-in-hobart/story-e6frey50-1226534832190
 

Red Bear

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This is true

I just wish they'd ban him from playing international cricket for now. He's played nothing but T20 and One Day Cricket when fit.

Give him one or two seasons of uniterrupted First Class cricket with no IPL or any rubbish like that and I bet he comes up good.
Tend to agree, although I just think it's about consistency. Bowling a bit most days, doing alot of running, building the strength and fitness required rather than this bowl alot one day, dont bowl for four days thing that CA seems to have going.
 

Earl

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The dawn of a new era is now just 48 hours away.



In 12 months he has gone from "broken", "spluttered", "scratched" to "streetfighter", "swaggered", "sharp", "effervescent", "technically solid".


Ladies and gentleman, his time has arrived.

The Phil Hughes era begins on Friday morning.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...ar-ago-in-hobart/story-e6frey50-1226534832190

If his net form is good then he will fit right in amongst the Ausswie team. Hopefully he has a good presence in the dressing room and really gels as 'just one of the guys'

Results and runs are just secondary after that
 

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