Rumoured and Confirmed Signings Part2

[franklin2323]

A lot of Franklins posts are highly speculative, such as "it would be easy to get an exemption" lol how do you know that Franklin.

Fulltime squad is:

Roberts
Mansour
Tighe
Whare
Simmons
Coote
Walsh
Grant
Kingston
McKendry
Brown
Manu
Docker
Plum
Latimore
Ciraldo
Segeyaro
Daniela
Naiqama
Humble
Masoe
Newton
Austin
Robinson
Smith

Bold are injured. Austin and Coote are back a few games leaves 15 fit players in the F/T squad. How wont it be approved?

 

[franklin2323]

That's one example of the 5 I mentioned. The idea that he only got a run due to injuries is also highly speculative. Cleary has been happy to drop underperforming players and has promoted young players. While Wes' injury forced Cleary's hand with Moylan, there's no reason to think that it was the only reason he was given a chance.

So who has been 'dropped' this year?

 

[franklin2323]

Edit: Crowds and TV ratings are down across the board for the NRL, i would guess that also extends to merchandise as well.

Us and Newcastle. Perfectly sunny day. Both teams in the 8 we had won 3 straight. Gower coming back and yet we drew 10k. Poor effort no matter who the club is

 

[franklin2323]

Everything else?

What has improved? - hope.

I know the argument that recruitment has improved but the results have done nothing to confirm that.
There is an argument that things are in place to make the future better but noone knows whether they will bear fruit. And this is what has caused hope to go up.

The everything else?

Wins about the same.
Membership stagnant.
Crowds down.
Merchandise down.

Have I summarised the results badly?

No you have it spot on. People are waiting for everything to click Hopefully it does

FTR I think we will make the 8 next year though I listed who I think will play 1st grade before VTK and Cartwright

 

[betcats]

Fulltime squad is:

Roberts
Mansour
Tighe
Whare
Simmons
Coote
Walsh
Grant
Kingston
McKendry
Brown
Manu
Docker
Plum
Latimore
Ciraldo
Segeyaro
Daniela
Naiqama
Humble
Masoe
Newton
Austin
Robinson
Smith

Bold are injured. Austin and Coote are back a few games leaves 15 fit players in the F/T squad. How wont it be approved?

I have idea how the 2nd tier cap works or our position within it. Im guessing you are the same. I also have no idea what has to be done to get an exemption, again I think you would be the same.

Yet you say "it would be easy" and use it to bag the coach.

The point is saying it would be easy is pure speculation on your part.

 

[franklin2323]

They had issues with Moylans deficiencies which include his defence and lack of speed which unfortunately have been all to evident. He is not the world beater you make the kid out to be and was never going to be. Moylan has some ability but I sincerely doubt he has a long term future in the number one position with us. At best we could try him as a 5/8 maybe his future lies there.

Blake Austin likewise is talked up on this forum by some way beyond what he has actually delivered. He had potential, we all had high hopes but at the end of the day he did not deliver when he was given opportunities. It's a shame he suffered injuries this season because in my opinion he has far more ability than Isaac John and I would have liked to have seen him get the same extended run as Isaac has. Alas it was not to be, a decision had to be made and I assume the decision to move was the best for Blake and the Panthers. Move on.

Of course he has deficiencies name a back we have that doesn't?? The fact is with no Fullback set he was the best option. Whether he will remain the best option when DWZ and Moss develop is another story.

You mention Austin not delivering 15 games over 3 years. It's not like he had any extended run and was struggling. Say like Masada or Daniela. We have to move on. Doesn't mean we have to agree with the way his time here panned out

 

[franklin2323]

I have idea how the 2nd tier cap works or our position within it. Im guessing you are the same. I also have no idea what has to be done to get an exemption, again I think you would be the same.

Yet you say "it would be easy" and use it to bag the coach.

The point is saying it would be easy is pure speculation on your part.

You need 17 players we have 15 fit. So we need to get players in. That's not speculation. Speculation is without injuries we would make the 8. I have said facts

 

[age.s]

So who has been 'dropped' this year?

Naiqama for one. He's currently fit and playing in the NSW cup. Humble, Robinson, Anderson and Austin are also players Cleary has dropped.

He hasn't had to drop many people this year because injuries have done it for him. My point is that calling him out for what he would have done if injuries hadn't struck isn't fair because none of us have any idea.

 

[betcats]

You need 17 players we have 15 fit. So we need to get players in. That's not speculation. Speculation is without injuries we would make the 8. I have said facts

1.*Matt Moylan, 2.*Josh Mansour, 3.*Geoff Daniela, 4.*Dean Whare, 5. Dave Simmons, 6.*Isaac John, 7.*Luke Walsh, 8.*Jeremy Latimore, 9.*Kevin Kingston*(C), 10.*Tim Grant, 11.*Clint Newton, 12.*Lewis Brown, 13.Ryan Simpkins

Interchange: 14.*James Segeyaro, 15. Cam Ciraldo, 16.*Mose Masoe, 17.*Nathan Smith

There is your 17 as well as Austin and Coote playing reserve grade, so thats 19.

Wes also isnt injured so that makes 20.


Explain how it would be easy to get an exemption....you can't because you have NFI how an exemption is got.

Edit: The coach even said in an interview its unlikely we will get another exemption as it was so hard to get one for Moylan, oh but forget all that, Franklin says it will be easy! :crazy:

 

[murraymob]

Gould has stated several times he does not like to see young kids debut in struggling sides.That is why i doubt Cartwright will come in and to be honest after seeing several of his games he is close but be better of winning a title with the wolves
In fact they should leave everybody there to help the mighty wolves

 

[franklin2323]

Explain how it would be easy to get an exemption....you can't because you have NFI how an exemption is got.

Really isn't hard if you have half a brain. Probably why many here struggle with it

John is in 2nd tier: Our 5/8th's Coote, Austin and Humble are out. Do we play without a 5/8. Our are we allowed John in?

Moylan 2nd tier: At the time we had Naiqama, Roberts, Mansour, Daniela and Tighe out. So even moving Brown we had no backs. So were allowed to play 2 extra so we could field a team. So why with the same amount of forwards out would we not get 1?

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-for-promising-youngsters-20130805-2ra6g.html

About the Tigers but shows it well.

Farah and Masda out- Luani in.
Benji fit no exemption for Brooks

 

[franklin2323]

Naiqama for one. He's currently fit and playing in the NSW cup. Humble, Robinson, Anderson and Austin are also players Cleary has dropped.

He hasn't had to drop many people this year because injuries have done it for him. My point is that calling him out for what he would have done if injuries hadn't struck isn't fair because none of us have any idea.

Naiqama - injured after Tigers game
Humble - injured after Roosters game. John replaced him.
Robinson - Roberts came back but so did Tighe so I will give you that.
Anderson- Injured against Melbourne
Austin and Walsh ok.

So Despite being 1/5 early on with virtually no one in a position we have only dropped 3 players. All aren't there next year. Nor will we start 1/5 again so that's why I think that we wont see debuts for a while yet.

 

[franklin2323]

Gould has stated several times he does not like to see young kids debut in struggling sides.That is why i doubt Cartwright will come in and to be honest after seeing several of his games he is close but be better of winning a title with the wolves
In fact they should leave everybody there to help the mighty wolves

Of course he has me & MX aren't just making this stuff up. Yep end the Windsor partnership with a premiership

 

[chrisD]

Blake Austin likewise is talked up on this forum by some way beyond what he has actually delivered. He had potential, we all had high hopes but at the end of the day he did not deliver when he was given opportunities.

Just like Graham.

 

[soc123_au]

Wade showed a lot more than Blake in the top grade in Panthers colours. I still cant fathom how we let him go, Blake on the other hand I understand. I hope he kills it at the Tigers, but he is still an injury prone 50/50 shot at being a quality NRL player. Wade was always going to make it in the NRL, it was obvious from his first game. The only ones that couldnt see it were Elliot & Leary.

 

[betcats]

Really isn't hard if you have half a brain. Probably why many here struggle with it

John is in 2nd tier: Our 5/8th's Coote, Austin and Humble are out. Do we play without a 5/8. Our are we allowed John in?

Moylan 2nd tier: At the time we had Naiqama, Roberts, Mansour, Daniela and Tighe out. So even moving Brown we had no backs. So were allowed to play 2 extra so we could field a team. So why with the same amount of forwards out would we not get 1?

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-for-promising-youngsters-20130805-2ra6g.html

About the Tigers but shows it well.

Farah and Masda out- Luani in.
Benji fit no exemption for Brooks

None of that explains how it would be easy you clown and newspaper articles arent really a reliable source.

You just talk shit and act like you know everything when really you are just guessing and apparently those are "facts" lol.

Using the Moylan example to explain how it would be "easy to get and exemotion" is f**king stupid since the coach has said it was hard to get his exemption and we had to f**king drop him one week due to the second tier cap.

 

[franklin2323]

None of that explains how it would be easy you clown and newspaper articles arent really a reliable source.

You just talk shit and act like you know everything when really you are just guessing and apparently those are "facts" lol.

Using the Moylan example to explain how it would be "easy to get and exemotion" is f**king stupid since the coach has said it was hard to get his exemption and we had to f**king drop him one week due to the second tier cap.

Yet other teams like Tigers have no trouble getting exemptions for both their wingers??

The Moylan issue was Tighe, Mansour, Naiqama, Roberts & Daniela all came back and we still wanted him in.

As will be the case here. When Plum & McKendry comeback we don't even have a fit forward to be 18th man

 

[betcats]

This is making my head hurt. Like I said I don't know how it works, at all.

I think its fair to say your statement that it would be easy to get is just speculation, which is what kicked off this little argument.

To say it is fact is silly.

 

[age.s]

Naiqama - injured after Tigers game
Humble - injured after Roosters game. John replaced him.
Robinson - Roberts came back but so did Tighe so I will give you that.
Anderson- Injured against Melbourne
Austin and Walsh ok.

So Despite being 1/5 early on with virtually no one in a position we have only dropped 3 players. All aren't there next year. Nor will we start 1/5 again so that's why I think that we wont see debuts for a while yet.

My point is that they're fit and playing in the NSW cup. Naiqama has effectively been dropped as he wasn't called back once fit. Can you imagine Purtell being demoted to Windsor like that?

 

[Panther Pete]

Is this thread suppose to be about rumoured and confirmed signings......