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SpaceMonkey

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Shorty said:
I'm not expecting that much but I like films with history,just this will be questionable history.

See thats why I won't be seeing it. I like historical films but they have to be believable, it spoils it for me when I'm calling "bullsh*t!" every couple of minutes. If it's going to be far-fetched, just make a it a fantasy flick like LOTR that doesn't have any pretense to being historical.
 

Misanthrope

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If it's going to be far-fetched, just make a it a fantasy flick like LOTR that doesn't have any pretense to being historical.

After watching the preview today, I don't see why they didn't just bill it as a fantasy. It looks nothing like the time period it's set in with its mammoth armies, prophecised heroes, fleets of ships, and mysterious civilisations.
 

Danish

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t-ba said:
Dumb fun. Hopefully it isn't by stupid Right wing propaganda like 300 was. First film I've walked out on in years.



Please explain the "right wing propaganda" in 300
 

Godz Illa

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Misanthrope said:
I think the problem is, you're the one looking too deep. 300 wasn't a veiled anti Middle Eastern diatribe. It was a fairly accurate re-creation of Frank Miller's senselessly violent graphic novel.
Can't it be both? Honestly what do I care about Frank Miller? I watch movies I don't read comic books.
Danish said:
Please explain the "right wing propaganda" in 300
A hate-fuelled pro-war, us-against-them film starring inumerable swarthy arabs as "them". I had the feeling I was watching a recruitment film.
 

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Godz Illa said:
A hate-fuelled pro-war, us-against-them film starring inumerable swarthy arabs as "them". I had the feeling I was watching a recruitment film.


You are aware that it followed in detail the ancient greek story of the spartans fighting the persians, aren't you?? (with a couple wierd monstors thrown in or course)
 

t-ba

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ROFLMAO.

Except not.

Sparta, Athens and most of the Greek city states on the Aegeans Western Seaboard were committed to the war against Persia.

The '300' was originally a force numbering somewhere near 10,000 before Leonidas dismissed the majority of the force, leaving a contingent of Thespians, Thebans and Helot Slaves numbering about 2000 to fight at Thermopylae.

Thermopylae was a vanguard action to bloody the Persians nose and give Athens time to prepare for the Key naval engagement at Salamis. Leonidas didn't wander off with 300 of his mates to go for a 'walk' with most of the Greek world ready to submit to the Persians. The Athenians indulged in the habit of 'boy loving' no more and no less than the Spartans and the exposure of young Spartans was nowhere near as harsh as portrayed in the film. The Persians weren't swarthy leather daddies either.

It's a load of crap. The Ephors are a metaphor for weak willed left leaning governments that crave suppliant peace, holding back the 'real men' (read: Oliver North) of this world from cracking a few skulls in the name of freedom and liberty. You could base the entire first hour of the film in San Francsisco and the Ephors would be the 'Damn Chief' on the back of no-nonsense cop Dirty Leo...I have no idea if the rest could be because I gave up on it.
 

2 True Blues

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Huge cavalry victory won the third Persian invasion. ( Platea or something similar wasn't it ). Dont know about boy abuse but if you had a third ear they'd leave you on a hill to die as you were no good to the state, as such.
That was one of the largest recorded armies to march from Sparta as they prided themselves on their fighting hand to hand strength and as such had NO walls protecting their home city at Sparta. They prided themselves on the lack of a need for walls ( as the Athenians so believed in , (The walls of Athen's shall save them laughs in earlier invasions). But as a result of having no walls could never march with a HUGE army from Sparta as the home town instantly became vulnerable whilst the army was away etc. Each Spartan also had an individual slave who looked after his kit etc ( like an army batman) however that slave fought by his side often to the death with him.

But Hollywood has spent millions on movies like Ben HUR, Spartacus, Gone with the wind , etc over the years. And if they had the ability at hand back then ( even though it may be crap LIKE most movies are anyway ) I am sure they would have used the computer hanced tech to creat large armies in Ben HUR rather than putting on a couple thousand person feed of hot dogs at half time. Not that before computers the facts were at hand in most movies ever made in either case.

I like the comp/graphics in modern movies. It can create a more realistic battle atmosphere than real life actors who are playing in smaller numbers either way.

And as most of the plantet that would have been above water in 10.000 BC is now under it, who knows WTF was alive and what happened. just enjoy the ride. I will.
 

Danish

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t-ba said:
ROFLMAO.

Except not.

Sparta, Athens and most of the Greek city states on the Aegeans Western Seaboard were committed to the war against Persia.

The '300' was originally a force numbering somewhere near 10,000 before Leonidas dismissed the majority of the force, leaving a contingent of Thespians, Thebans and Helot Slaves numbering about 2000 to fight at Thermopylae.

Thermopylae was a vanguard action to bloody the Persians nose and give Athens time to prepare for the Key naval engagement at Salamis. Leonidas didn't wander off with 300 of his mates to go for a 'walk' with most of the Greek world ready to submit to the Persians. The Athenians indulged in the habit of 'boy loving' no more and no less than the Spartans and the exposure of young Spartans was nowhere near as harsh as portrayed in the film. The Persians weren't swarthy leather daddies either.

It's a load of crap. The Ephors are a metaphor for weak willed left leaning governments that crave suppliant peace, holding back the 'real men' (read: Oliver North) of this world from cracking a few skulls in the name of freedom and liberty. You could base the entire first hour of the film in San Francsisco and the Ephors would be the 'Damn Chief' on the back of no-nonsense cop Dirty Leo...I have no idea if the rest could be because I gave up on it.


:lol:

A movie about spartans that is pro-war..... who could have guessed??

As to your allegegations about the historical accuracy of the film. Every source I have ever read on the subject all state that the initial defensive by the greeks included between 2000-4000 soldiers, until on the last day of battle, Leonidis orders all but a small contigent of 300 spartans stay behind to defend as long as they can. Some refused to leave, so the numbers would have probably been a bit more than 300 I am sure, but thats how the story goes, so you can't blame them for following it.

The version of events told in the movie are not even close to the most exaggerated version of events regarding the evils of the persian army and the bravery and triumph of the greeks. Are those ancient historians right wing, war loving types too?? :lol:
 

Shorty

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Yeah,you're never ever going to get a legit portrayal of history with Hollywood.
It's whatever is attractive.
 

Misanthrope

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It's a load of crap. The Ephors are a metaphor for weak willed left leaning governments that crave suppliant peace, holding back the 'real men' (read: Oliver North) of this world from cracking a few skulls in the name of freedom and liberty. You could base the entire first hour of the film in San Francsisco and the Ephors would be the 'Damn Chief' on the back of no-nonsense cop Dirty Leo...I have no idea if the rest could be because I gave up on it.

Wow, stretching much?

I hear the Lord of the Rings movies were a veiled attack on homosexual society and Harry Potter is really about the clash between religion and the state.
 

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Danish said:
:lol:


The version of events told in the movie are not even close to the most exaggerated version of events regarding the evils of the persian army and the bravery and triumph of the greeks. Are those ancient historians right wing, war loving types too?? :lol:

I agree mate. The writings speak of them charging from the defences driving back thousands into the ocean, hand to hand ten to one sh*t.

The terrain and the fact that these Spartans were born to fight and die they would have been a tough nut to crack.( The initial Persian troops were probably conquered ring ins anyway . )

It was entertaining hollywood movie, with the benefit of modern day cinemographic availabilities utilised well. To entertain us.
 

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Though history has often shown us in hindsight that the history written by the victor is not alway totally accurate account at times. Ceaser against Pompeii is a classic eg, or even take America in the modern era.
 

Misanthrope

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It was entertaining hollywood movie, with the benefit of modern day cinemographic availabilities utilised well. To entertain us.

Let's also not forget its origins as a graphic novel by the same guy who did Sin City. It was meant to be over the top and visceral and fantastic, and Snyder captured it perfectly.
 

God-King Dean

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Looking forward to this one.

But now we're gonna have to hear from the wankers who will say " There were no dinosaurs ! That's no historically accurate ! " The self important wankers with no imagination who think they are the only ones who realize it wasn't like that back then.
 

Danish

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The problem with that is that will be thousands upon thousands of people who will actually believe that this is an historically acurate film....

However even without all that nitpicking, I am still not overly excited by this movie. The fantasy CGI epic has replaced the awkward american teen movie as the new cookie cutter flick.
 

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I don't want to see it, because the storyline will probably be sh*t, and the dialogue will be even sh*tter.
There will be a huge focus on CGI as usual to pad the movie out, there will be sooner or later some spoiled teenage brat screaming at her/his father or mother 'where were you when I needed you!!!!
The ending will be the typical go home happy no tragedy or thought provoking American ending.
And predictably somewhere sometime an anguished youth will look out of the screen and let out along gratuitus unimaginative mindbogglingly dumb caterwaul of NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
And of course ye old red white and blue flag will make its flapping majestic appearance right at the end somehow, with cavemen choking on tears of pride.

Yep its a modern American movie, and with a few exceptions, usually a no brainer from beginning to end.
 

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I really didn't mind it. I didn't go in expecting Shakespeare, and it was fairly enjoyable. Suspend your historical gripes and it's a modestly enjoyable fantasy epic. It's got its share of cheese, but it's far from painful. Better than I expected, for sure.
 
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