17 teams and a bye every week

[The Great Dane]

People follow the Rabbitohs. Not the team that takes there place.

Nobody suggested that we replace the Rabbitohs with a new club...

What I was saying is that if the Rabbitohs had been kicked back out, that another club in the league would have taken their sport as the the rags to riches story.

But I'll bite anyway.

You can't support something that doesn't exist. So if hypothetically we did get rid of the Rabbitohs (which BTW I'm not suggesting that we do), all it would take is a generation or two before they are a non-entity anymore, and with good marketing and engagement the little kids that would have grown up to be Rabbitohs fans would grow up to be e.g. Roosters or Dragons fans instead.

 

[Perth Red]

V'landys: "We need a 2nd team in Brisbane, but Perth is never gonna take to league.. they're a rusted on AFL state. 17 teams is all we can handle, anyway."

Greenberg: "Hang on. Easy for you to say that, but have you ever had to RUN a competition with a bye every week? Oh, wait.. you're Chairman.. you don't have to run it day-to-day.. that's my job. Look, can we PLEASE just have 18 teams?"

V'landys: "Nope. 17 is it. Good luck with that, Toddy..."

Vlandys does seem to want to be ceo and chairman!
Noses in, fingers out, sign of a good board and ceo in control!

 

[tri_colours]

Nobody suggested that we replace the Rabbitohs with a new club...

What I was saying is that if the Rabbitohs had been kicked back out, that another club in the league would have taken their sport as the the rags to riches story.

But I'll bite anyway.

You can't support something that doesn't exist. So if hypothetically we did get rid of the Rabbitohs (which BTW I'm not suggesting that we do), all it would take is a generation or two before they are a non-entity anymore, and with good marketing and engagement the little kids that would have grown up to be Rabbitohs fans would grow up to be e.g. Roosters or Dragons fans instead.

Its the same difference . Your impersonal attitude is f**ked up - the game is about a lot more than marketing strategies or geographical points on a map!

The games true fans would be lost to the game - who gives a shit about marketing.

People love there clubs, whole families love there clubs .

 

[The Great Dane]

Its the same difference . Your impersonal attitude is f**ked up - the game is about a lot more than marketing strategies or geographical points on a map!

The games true fans would be lost to the game - who gives a shit about marketing.

My "f**ked up" "impersonal attitude" is why American and European sport are huge unstoppable monsters with fans around the world, while Australian sports are largely landlocked within there own borders.

It's why the AFL has gone from one of two competing Victorian leagues to dominating the Australian sporting landscape, while the NRL is a regional competition that is only really popular in two states and one territory.

At the end of the day you can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs, so if you want to build the sport into something great you are going to have to piss some people off.

Which brings you to a question, would you rather keep everyone happy, or the chance to build something great?

People love there clubs, whole families love there clubs .

The reality is that all of those families, all of us, every individual fan, is replaceable.

Just look at the Swans, there's no reason you couldn't replicate their success with any number of NRL teams, and frankly the NRL, like the AFL, would be much better off if we did.

 

[tri_colours]

My "f**ked up" "impersonal attitude" is why American and European sport are huge unstoppable monsters with fans around the world, while Australian sports are largely landlocked within there own borders.

It's why the AFL has gone from one of two competing Victorian leagues to dominating the Australian sporting landscape, while the NRL is a regional competition that is only really popular in two states and one territory.

At the end of the day you can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs, so if you want to build the sport into something great you are going to have to piss some people off.

Which brings you to a question, would you rather keep everyone happy, or the chance to build something great?

The reality is that all of those families, all of us, every individual fan, is replaceable.

Just look at the Swans, there's no reason you couldn't replicate their success with any number of NRL teams, and frankly the NRL, like the AFL, would be much better off if we did.

???Australia would be the most sports mad country in the world - or very close to it. per head of pop.

League/ AFL Billion dollar contracts, and the other sports don't do to bad either - a country of 24 million

Your mates at News are the ONLY reason that AFL is ahead of us! In the last 8 years The ARLC's business has grown by more than 3 fold. The AFL's in the same time frame, by barely 80%.

next time you reply try to add a few meaningful facts in your argument!.

 

[The Great Dane]

???Australia would be the most sports mad country in the world - or very close to it. per head of pop.

League/ AFL Billion dollar contracts, and the other sports don't do to bad either - a country of 24 million

Your mates at News are the ONLY reason that AFL is ahead of us! In the last 8 years The ARLC's business has grown by more than 3 fold. The AFL's in the same time frame, by barely 80%.

What exactly does this have to do with anything that I said...

I said the NRL (and for that matter the AFL) could be way bigger then they are now if they made some changes to their businesses and that it is inevitable that those changes are going to piss some people off, but despite that the NRL would be better off for the changes, and you responded 'yeah but they are still big'.

So what if they are still "big", that doesn't change the fact that if they made some business changes they could be much bigger then they are now.

next time you reply try to add a few meaningful facts in your argument!.

Next time you reply try and address the points that were actually made instead of going off on tangents that have nothing to do with the points made in the post you are replying to.

 

[tri_colours]

What exactly does this have to do with anything that I said...

I said the NRL (and for that matter the AFL) could be way bigger then they are now if they made some changes to their businesses and that it is inevitable that those changes are going to piss some people off, but despite that the NRL would be better off for the changes, and you responded 'yeah but they are still big'.

So what if they are still "big", that doesn't change the fact that if they made some business changes they could be much bigger then they are now.


Next time you reply try and address the points that were actually made instead of going off on tangents that have nothing to do with the points made in the post you are replying to.

You said

My "f**ked up" "impersonal attitude" is why American and European sport are huge unstoppable monsters with fans around the world, while Australian sports are largely landlocked within there own borders.

It's why the AFL has gone from one of two competing Victorian leagues to dominating the Australian sporting landscape, while the NRL is a regional competition that is only really popular in two states and one territory.

Sound familiar? Surely you remember saying that!

Yes, they can get bigger especially if they limit there risks to the manageable ones and don't try to get to big too fast. Basically they just have to keep doing what they've been doing.

 

[The Great Dane]

Sound familiar? Surely you remember saying that!

Yeah I remember it, that is the post that you responded to without actually responding to it lol.

Yes, they can get bigger especially if they limit there risks to the manageable ones and don't try to get to big too fast. Basically they just have to keep doing what they've been doing.

If the NRL keep doing what they are doing then they'll be totally irrelevant in a couple of generations.

Their grassroots are dying in large parts of their base, and changes in societal attitudes are making it harder to get new people into the sport. Their growth in most regards is largely superficial (i.e. they are more getting back to where they should be instead of actually growing), their competition is stagnate and has been sterilised to the point that it's lost most if not all of it's character, etc.

Basically the leaves look good, but there's rot in the roots. Unless they find a way to expose the sport to way more people, i.e. expand and do it quickly, they're going to be in a very bad place in 20-30 years, because with each generation that comes through a smaller and smaller percentage of the people that make up that generation are coming through as dedicated RL fans/players.

Go have a look-see at the position that the NZRU is in, you know that all powerful force in NZ, they're in a really bad spot where ATM everything looks good on the surface, but they know that they're going to be in big trouble very soon. The NRL is basically going down the same path that they are, but the NZRU is further along.

 

[Perth Red]

???Australia would be the most sports mad country in the world - or very close to it. per head of pop.

League/ AFL Billion dollar contracts, and the other sports don't do to bad either - a country of 24 million

Your mates at News are the ONLY reason that AFL is ahead of us! In the last 8 years The ARLC's business has grown by more than 3 fold. The AFL's in the same time frame, by barely 80%.

next time you reply try to add a few meaningful facts in your argument!.

ones got a revenue of $793.9mill, ones got $528.5mill. You seriously suggesting nrl are doing better than afl when it comes to income?

 

[tri_colours]

ones got a revenue of $793.9mill, ones got $528.5mill. You seriously suggesting nrl are doing better than afl when it comes to income?

Stop going over the same ground - nothings changed,

 

[tri_colours]

And by the way its 555m

 

[Perth Red]

Stop going over the same ground - nothings changed,

yes it has, the gap keeps getting bigger!

And by the way its 555m

https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/about/annual-reports/nrl_annualreport_2019_lr.pdf

 

[tri_colours]

yes it has, the gap keeps getting bigger!



View attachment 36522



https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/about/annual-reports/nrl_annualreport_2019_lr.pdf

My apologies if i'm wrong . But all it would mean is that revenue hasn't quiet gone up 3 fold though.


The NRL reports a consolidated profit of $28.983m on revenue of $555.915m for 2019. Broadcast revenue was $324.595m, Sponsorship & Wagering $84.064m, Digital $24.066m, Game receipts $54.654m. https://www.nrl.com/siteassets/about/annual-reports/nrl_annualreport_2019_lr.pdf…

Concise profit for year 555.15m

2018: 523.56

 

[flippikat]

Go have a look-see at the position that the NZRU is in, you know that all powerful force in NZ, they're in a really bad spot where ATM everything looks good on the surface, but they know that they're going to be in big trouble very soon. The NRL is basically going down the same path that they are, but the NZRU is further along.

You actually hit on another point there.

NRL players (and NZ rugby union players) have some very transferrable skills - UK Superleague - which appears to be expansion-minded now - and any number of Rugby Union competitions could swoop on our best talent.. and if the competitions here don't grow & evolve (I mean at club AND rep/international level), then other competitions that grow & evolve will be quite attractive - especially if that opens up more revenue streams (ie more money to buy players).

AFL don't have that threat to worry about, because there's no other pro AFL league that the players can go to. It's a captive market for their talent.

You'd think that with the potential threat from overseas competitions for top talent, that NRL would be *especially* driven to broaden their reach.

 

[MugaB]

You actually hit on another point there.

NRL players (and NZ rugby union players) have some very transferrable skills - UK Superleague - which appears to be expansion-minded now - and any number of Rugby Union competitions could swoop on our best talent.. and if the competitions here don't grow & evolve (I mean at club AND rep/international level), then other competitions that grow & evolve will be quite attractive - especially if that opens up more revenue streams (ie more money to buy players).

AFL don't have that threat to worry about, because there's no other pro AFL league that the players can go to. It's a captive market for their talent.

You'd think that with the potential threat from overseas competitions for top talent, that NRL would be *especially* driven to broaden their reach.

NFL steals a few punters, but yeah that's about it, AFL won't have RU or RL come poaching your right

 

[Vee]

My "f**ked up" "impersonal attitude" is why American and European sport are huge unstoppable monsters with fans around the world, while Australian sports are largely landlocked within there own borders.

It's why the AFL has gone from one of two competing Victorian leagues to dominating the Australian sporting landscape, while the NRL is a regional competition that is only really popular in two states and one territory.

At the end of the day you can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs, so if you want to build the sport into something great you are going to have to piss some people off.

Which brings you to a question, would you rather keep everyone happy, or the chance to build something great?

The reality is that all of those families, all of us, every individual fan, is replaceable.

Just look at the Swans, there's no reason you couldn't replicate their success with any number of NRL teams, and frankly the NRL, like the AFL, would be much better off if we did.

What exactly does this have to do with anything that I said...

I said the NRL (and for that matter the AFL) could be way bigger then they are now if they made some changes to their businesses and that it is inevitable that those changes are going to piss some people off, but despite that the NRL would be better off for the changes, and you responded 'yeah but they are still big'.

So what if they are still "big", that doesn't change the fact that if they made some business changes they could be much bigger then they are now.


Next time you reply try and address the points that were actually made instead of going off on tangents that have nothing to do with the points made in the post you are replying to.

Yeah I remember it, that is the post that you responded to without actually responding to it lol.


If the NRL keep doing what they are doing then they'll be totally irrelevant in a couple of generations.

Their grassroots are dying in large parts of their base, and changes in societal attitudes are making it harder to get new people into the sport. Their growth in most regards is largely superficial (i.e. they are more getting back to where they should be instead of actually growing), their competition is stagnate and has been sterilised to the point that it's lost most if not all of it's character, etc.

Basically the leaves look good, but there's rot in the roots. Unless they find a way to expose the sport to way more people, i.e. expand and do it quickly, they're going to be in a very bad place in 20-30 years, because with each generation that comes through a smaller and smaller percentage of the people that make up that generation are coming through as dedicated RL fans/players.

Go have a look-see at the position that the NZRU is in, you know that all powerful force in NZ, they're in a really bad spot where ATM everything looks good on the surface, but they know that they're going to be in big trouble very soon. The NRL is basically going down the same path that they are, but the NZRU is further along.

ones got a revenue of $793.9mill, ones got $528.5mill. You seriously suggesting nrl are doing better than afl when it comes to income?

Is My Little Pony on his soapbox again?

 

[The Great Dane]

Is My Little Pony on his soapbox again?

I'm quite convinced that he is.

 

[flippikat]

NFL steals a few punters, but yeah that's about it, AFL won't have RU or RL come poaching your right

It's been mentioned many times that north America (especially the USA) is the "sleeping giant" of rugby codes, but for a long time Canada & USA have been an afterthought at best. They've been left to form their own isolated competitions, and got the occasional test match, but were never integrated into any regular competition of note.

The difference now is that rugby union has regular global showpieces like the world cup & especially the sevens at the summer Olympics which regularly include USA & Canada, and the UK league system is expanding to include north American clubs.

The more they play against the top tier, the better they'll get.

The better they get, the more fans, money and talent they attract.

I wouldn't be surprised if South African rugby union abandons SANZAAR for Europe (the timezones make sense), leaving Australia & New Zealand to link with America for a crack at big money. If NZ & Australian rugby can pull that off, it's dangerous times for rugby league.

 

[Perth Red]

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/ho...ith-flight-to-california-20200302-p545zd.html

Vlandys flight to Los Angeles has been reported to be primarily about seeking Lachlan Murdoch’s permission to expand the NRL to 17 teams by including a second Brisbane club.

Speculation over the future of Greenberg will continue while V’landys considers whether to renew the CEO’s contract.

Broadcasters have been agitating for a fourth Queensland team because it will lift TV ratings in the north. Queenslanders switch to games involving the Broncos No.1, Cowboys 2, Melbourne Storm 3 and Titans 4.

But northern support for the Storm has diminished with the exit of Maroons Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk and will fall more with the inevitable retirement of Cameron Smith.


If V’landys gives the parochial north another team to cheer, will the drop in revenue from a weekly bye in a season of the same length be compensated by the rise in TV ratings and therefore revenue for a new team? Basically, will Lachlan and Channel Nine bake a broadcasting pie which awards 17 clubs a bigger slice than the share the 16 receive in the current deal?

A successful business would approach the challenge differently: assess the needs of the 16 existing clubs and determine whether expansion is viable.

Raelene Castle, CEO of Rugby Australia, is making the same mistake. She is seeking a record TV deal to honour promises to clubs but an alternative would be cutting back on bloated contracts to overweight players and accepting a lesser free-to-air TV deal which delivers new eyeballs.

Similarly, V’landys is chasing an historically higher TV deal to satisfy his constituents and his reputation, rather than deliver a future strategy for the code.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

I live on the Gold Coast but have previously lived in Brisbane all my life and I can tell you there is very little cross-over of fans. Very few Gold Coast RL fans travel up to Suncorp for games and very few Brisbane RL fans travel to Robina for games. It is a non-issue and we can't have the Titans now blocking a second Brisbane team after the Broncos having done it for so long. South-East QLD can easily accommodate three teams and will really hurt AFL and Union in the process.

And yes, it will mean that the Titans have to get their sh!t together but that is a good and necessary thing.