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18th club, whose next?

Iamback

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I didn't know that about Newtown. How do they bring juniors through into their NSW Cup side without pathways teams?

Sharks have juniors which feed into Newtown. Newtown then feed into Sharks.

The other mentioned are clubs that play in other districts.

Blacktown workers for example are Manly's feeder team but Blacktown's juniors play in Penrith's district. As such feed into Penrith's junior rep teams.

They are essentially only a 2nd tier team
 

Centy Coast

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I didn't know that about Newtown. How do they bring juniors through into their NSW Cup side without pathways teams?
Newtown do not have a pathways system but they have the standard age groups a club side would have which play in the South Sydney Competitions..
My sons team played and defeated them one year when we played in the Immortals Challenge, each age group was named after one of Leagues Immortals e.g. Arthur Beetson, Johnny Raper, Reg Gasnier, Wally Lewis, Bob Fulton, Clive Churchill, Andrew Johns etc, etc it was a competition that had the Premiers from all areas of NSW, Parramatta, Newcastle, Wollongong, Central Coast, Penrith, Cronulla etc, etc.
We finished 3rd, Western Suburbs won our age group.
 
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Perth Red

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Why NRL’s rush to expand beyond 18 is all wrong, and where the next team must be​

Reports suggest the NRL will not waste time with their next expansion call​

Recent reports have suggested the NRL will rush to get the competition to 19 teams, with the next team to be announced as soon as June.
If reports are to be believed from multiple publications, the NRL will confirm a Papua New Guinean team as the 18th outfit in the NRL this season, before the competition make moves to go to 19 teams by 2030.

It's understood the 19th outfit will be a Perth side linked up with the North Sydney Bears.

What remains unclear at this stage is the timeline, or when the NRL would then look to move back to an even number of teams with a 20th addition.

It's believed the Papua New Guinean outfit will be announced in June, with the team to enter the competition at the end of the current TV deal.
While that will give the outfit time to build - a luxury the Dolphins didn't have when they were announced as the competition's 17th team just 12 months before the commencement of pre-season training ahead of their first campaign - it's clear that it still won't be enough.
The identity of the Papua New Guinean side, who will likely be based in Northern Australia but play a number of games in Port Moresby, is also up for debate.

What is clear is that the island nation - Australia's closest neighbour - is rugby league mad and will support a team granted to it by the NRL.
But the circumstances around it simply don't add up. The Australian federal government's funding guarantee is certainly a win for the NRL if they go ahead with the team, and a win for Australia's foreign diplomacy, but is it an actual win for the on-field product?
If the Dolphins struggled to sign marquee players, how is a team with little identity, situated even further north and playing their home games in a different country than the one they train in going to fare?

For a Papua New Guinean team to work, and for it to prove a success for the competition as a whole, it simply must be successful and secure in an unproven, yet rugby league mad market.
If it's not Papua New Guinea, then the 18th team should be where reports suggest the 19th team will be.

That is Perth.

Whether they are linked with the North Sydney Bears, as some seem to be suggesting, is totally irrelevant.

Perth is an untapped rugby league market. The Western Reds were able to get decent crowds when they played over 20 years ago, and the support for the sport in the city has come on in leaps and bounds since then.
That's not to say it's bigger than the AFL in Perth - it's certainly not and almost certainly never will be. But the same can be said about Melbourne, and with the right stadium, the right strategy and the right level of success, they have become one of the NRL's biggest clubs both on and off the field.
So Perth is absolutely where the 18th team must be when the NRL lock in its next round of expansion.

Yes, you could make some of the same arguments around players wanting to relocate and building a successful roster in the west of the country, but for rugby league to become a truly national sport, it must have more influence away from the Eastern Seaboard.
After 18 though, the NRL really should hit pause on expansion.

We all know Australian Rugby League Commission Chairman Peter V'Landys is desperate to keep the game moving forward, adding more teams and more money to the TV deal.
While it's a fair point to be made, it also has the potential to blow up in the competition's face.

18 is imperative to get rid of the bye, but 19 simply isn't. The competition is simply not ready for that. We have already seen with 17 teams that the depth of talent simply isn't there to produce an even competition. The gap between the top teams and bottom teams is, at least visually, as great as it has ever been.

Adding an 18th team isn't going to help that, and adding a 19th will only hinder it further while also re-introducing the bye to the competition.
What the NRL instead must do is add Team 18 in Perth, which adds untold dollars to the TV deal through the ability to play games in different time slots, particularly a Sunday evening game or late game on Friday and Saturday which simply works for the east coast viewing audience.

From there, those extra dollars must be invested into grassroots and elite training. Once the talent is there, expansion can flow naturally into places like New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, or other major regional centres around Australia to continue increasing the value and national stamp of the game.

It's not rocket science to get expansion right, but it is imperative that it's done correctly.
If it isn't, there is the real threat of it backfiring in the most devastating of manners.

 

blue bags

First Grade
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Newtown do not have a pathways system but they have the standard age groups a club side would have which play in the South Sydney Competitions..
My sons team played and defeated them one year when we played in the Premiers Competition, a competition that had the Premiers from all areas of NSW, Parramatta, Newcastle, Wollongong, Central Coast, Penrith, Cronulla etc, etc.
We finished 3rd, Western Suburbs won our age group.
You remember the Coca cola cup
The premier's from all Sydney juniors league's Competitions
Playoffs Knock out
Western areas of Sydney would mostly win.
Cause of the numbers of player's was always higher. Bigger player's
 
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Why NRL’s rush to expand beyond 18 is all wrong, and where the next team must be​

Reports suggest the NRL will not waste time with their next expansion call​

Recent reports have suggested the NRL will rush to get the competition to 19 teams, with the next team to be announced as soon as June.
If reports are to be believed from multiple publications, the NRL will confirm a Papua New Guinean team as the 18th outfit in the NRL this season, before the competition make moves to go to 19 teams by 2030.

It's understood the 19th outfit will be a Perth side linked up with the North Sydney Bears.

What remains unclear at this stage is the timeline, or when the NRL would then look to move back to an even number of teams with a 20th addition.

It's believed the Papua New Guinean outfit will be announced in June, with the team to enter the competition at the end of the current TV deal.
While that will give the outfit time to build - a luxury the Dolphins didn't have when they were announced as the competition's 17th team just 12 months before the commencement of pre-season training ahead of their first campaign - it's clear that it still won't be enough.
The identity of the Papua New Guinean side, who will likely be based in Northern Australia but play a number of games in Port Moresby, is also up for debate.

What is clear is that the island nation - Australia's closest neighbour - is rugby league mad and will support a team granted to it by the NRL.
But the circumstances around it simply don't add up. The Australian federal government's funding guarantee is certainly a win for the NRL if they go ahead with the team, and a win for Australia's foreign diplomacy, but is it an actual win for the on-field product?
If the Dolphins struggled to sign marquee players, how is a team with little identity, situated even further north and playing their home games in a different country than the one they train in going to fare?

For a Papua New Guinean team to work, and for it to prove a success for the competition as a whole, it simply must be successful and secure in an unproven, yet rugby league mad market.
If it's not Papua New Guinea, then the 18th team should be where reports suggest the 19th team will be.

That is Perth.

Whether they are linked with the North Sydney Bears, as some seem to be suggesting, is totally irrelevant.

Perth is an untapped rugby league market. The Western Reds were able to get decent crowds when they played over 20 years ago, and the support for the sport in the city has come on in leaps and bounds since then.
That's not to say it's bigger than the AFL in Perth - it's certainly not and almost certainly never will be. But the same can be said about Melbourne, and with the right stadium, the right strategy and the right level of success, they have become one of the NRL's biggest clubs both on and off the field.
So Perth is absolutely where the 18th team must be when the NRL lock in its next round of expansion.

Yes, you could make some of the same arguments around players wanting to relocate and building a successful roster in the west of the country, but for rugby league to become a truly national sport, it must have more influence away from the Eastern Seaboard.
After 18 though, the NRL really should hit pause on expansion.

We all know Australian Rugby League Commission Chairman Peter V'Landys is desperate to keep the game moving forward, adding more teams and more money to the TV deal.
While it's a fair point to be made, it also has the potential to blow up in the competition's face.

18 is imperative to get rid of the bye, but 19 simply isn't. The competition is simply not ready for that. We have already seen with 17 teams that the depth of talent simply isn't there to produce an even competition. The gap between the top teams and bottom teams is, at least visually, as great as it has ever been.

Adding an 18th team isn't going to help that, and adding a 19th will only hinder it further while also re-introducing the bye to the competition.
What the NRL instead must do is add Team 18 in Perth, which adds untold dollars to the TV deal through the ability to play games in different time slots, particularly a Sunday evening game or late game on Friday and Saturday which simply works for the east coast viewing audience.

From there, those extra dollars must be invested into grassroots and elite training. Once the talent is there, expansion can flow naturally into places like New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, or other major regional centres around Australia to continue increasing the value and national stamp of the game.

It's not rocket science to get expansion right, but it is imperative that it's done correctly.
If it isn't, there is the real threat of it backfiring in the most devastating of manners.

Why do people assume that a Perth-based team will be just as successful as the Storm?

It's a stupid assumption.

How does a 9.30pm AEST game on a Fri or Sat bump up the value of the broadcast rights?
 

Centy Coast

Juniors
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You remember the Coca cola cup
The premier's from all Sydney juniors league's Competitions
Playoffs Knock out
Western areas of Sydney would mostly win.
Cause of the numbers of player's was always higher. Bigger player's
My sons team had Newtown, the Parramattas Premiers, Canterburys Premiers and Cronullas Premiers, our only loss was to Cronullas Premiers by a goal. but our win percentage % and for and against got us higher on the overall ladder.
We really wanted to play the Newcastle Premiers, a team like us with only two islanders and more our size lol.
 

Pippen94

First Grade
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Why NRL’s rush to expand beyond 18 is all wrong, and where the next team must be​

Reports suggest the NRL will not waste time with their next expansion call​

Recent reports have suggested the NRL will rush to get the competition to 19 teams, with the next team to be announced as soon as June.
If reports are to be believed from multiple publications, the NRL will confirm a Papua New Guinean team as the 18th outfit in the NRL this season, before the competition make moves to go to 19 teams by 2030.

It's understood the 19th outfit will be a Perth side linked up with the North Sydney Bears.

What remains unclear at this stage is the timeline, or when the NRL would then look to move back to an even number of teams with a 20th addition.

It's believed the Papua New Guinean outfit will be announced in June, with the team to enter the competition at the end of the current TV deal.
While that will give the outfit time to build - a luxury the Dolphins didn't have when they were announced as the competition's 17th team just 12 months before the commencement of pre-season training ahead of their first campaign - it's clear that it still won't be enough.
The identity of the Papua New Guinean side, who will likely be based in Northern Australia but play a number of games in Port Moresby, is also up for debate.

What is clear is that the island nation - Australia's closest neighbour - is rugby league mad and will support a team granted to it by the NRL.
But the circumstances around it simply don't add up. The Australian federal government's funding guarantee is certainly a win for the NRL if they go ahead with the team, and a win for Australia's foreign diplomacy, but is it an actual win for the on-field product?
If the Dolphins struggled to sign marquee players, how is a team with little identity, situated even further north and playing their home games in a different country than the one they train in going to fare?

For a Papua New Guinean team to work, and for it to prove a success for the competition as a whole, it simply must be successful and secure in an unproven, yet rugby league mad market.
If it's not Papua New Guinea, then the 18th team should be where reports suggest the 19th team will be.

That is Perth.

Whether they are linked with the North Sydney Bears, as some seem to be suggesting, is totally irrelevant.

Perth is an untapped rugby league market. The Western Reds were able to get decent crowds when they played over 20 years ago, and the support for the sport in the city has come on in leaps and bounds since then.
That's not to say it's bigger than the AFL in Perth - it's certainly not and almost certainly never will be. But the same can be said about Melbourne, and with the right stadium, the right strategy and the right level of success, they have become one of the NRL's biggest clubs both on and off the field.
So Perth is absolutely where the 18th team must be when the NRL lock in its next round of expansion.

Yes, you could make some of the same arguments around players wanting to relocate and building a successful roster in the west of the country, but for rugby league to become a truly national sport, it must have more influence away from the Eastern Seaboard.
After 18 though, the NRL really should hit pause on expansion.

We all know Australian Rugby League Commission Chairman Peter V'Landys is desperate to keep the game moving forward, adding more teams and more money to the TV deal.
While it's a fair point to be made, it also has the potential to blow up in the competition's face.

18 is imperative to get rid of the bye, but 19 simply isn't. The competition is simply not ready for that. We have already seen with 17 teams that the depth of talent simply isn't there to produce an even competition. The gap between the top teams and bottom teams is, at least visually, as great as it has ever been.

Adding an 18th team isn't going to help that, and adding a 19th will only hinder it further while also re-introducing the bye to the competition.
What the NRL instead must do is add Team 18 in Perth, which adds untold dollars to the TV deal through the ability to play games in different time slots, particularly a Sunday evening game or late game on Friday and Saturday which simply works for the east coast viewing audience.

From there, those extra dollars must be invested into grassroots and elite training. Once the talent is there, expansion can flow naturally into places like New Zealand, Papua New Guinea, or other major regional centres around Australia to continue increasing the value and national stamp of the game.

It's not rocket science to get expansion right, but it is imperative that it's done correctly.
If it isn't, there is the real threat of it backfiring in the most devastating of manners.


Tired argument. Tv don't want Perth. Being "national" is nothing more than dots on map mentality. Better off being more international. No real bid for Perth, that's why Vlandys prefers bears which would have some a stability.
 

Pippen94

First Grade
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U.S national debt as at mid May $34.5 trillion dollars.The pace of that growing debt is equally stunning approx. 1 trillion dollars added every 100 days.. Good luck with the Yanks paying for PNG. Especially as Biden's polling is down the crapper.

If there's no guarantee won't happen.
 

blue bags

First Grade
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Tired argument. Tv don't want Perth. Being "national" is nothing more than dots on map mentality. Better off being more international. No real bid for Perth, that's why Vlandys prefers bears which would have some a stability.
Go international with the
Pasifika Grizzlies Bears 🐻
 

blue bags

First Grade
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U.S national debt as at mid May $34.5 trillion dollars.The pace of that growing debt is equally stunning approx. 1 trillion dollars added every 100 days.. Good luck with the Yanks paying for PNG. Especially as Biden's polling is down the crapper.
When Obama was president
USA debts were around $90 trillion
 
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Because they don't know the amount of backing storm has had to achieve it's minor status in Victoria.
Storm were given an extra $100m over 20 years and a quality roster from day one, courtesy of the demise of the Mariners and Reds. A Perth-based club won't have any of these benefit.

Yet the "expansionists" have deluded themselves into thinking they'll be Storm 2.0?

It's mind boggling how ignorant they are to the reality that awaits Perth.
 

Perth Red

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lol, whats ignorant is claiming you know what the Perth clubs future will look like before we even know there is one, let alone whose backing it, what money they have behind it, what support the WA govt is giving and what the set up will be. When we know all that then we can make some predictions about how big it might be. Im confident in the right circumstances it can be a strong NRl club.
 

Pippen94

First Grade
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lol, whats ignorant is claiming you know what the Perth clubs future will look like before we even know there is one, let alone whose backing it, what money they have behind it, what support the WA govt is giving and what the set up will be. When we know all that then we can make some predictions about how big it might be. Im confident in the right circumstances it can be a strong NRl club.

Who's fault is it that we don't know anything about Perth bid?!
 
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Tired argument. Tv don't want Perth. Being "national" is nothing more than dots on map mentality. Better off being more international. No real bid for Perth, that's why Vlandys prefers bears which would have some a stability.
When the delusional expansionist turds are told what the broadcasters want they resort to mockery and strawman arguments. They need to see a psychiatrist.
 

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