18th club, whose next?

[Pneuma]

Nineteenth team - Venice Gondoliers. They made them an offer the NRL couldn't refuse.

I’d prefer ‘the Venetian Blinds’.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I’d prefer ‘the Venetian Blinds’.

A great local derby with the Singapore Toothbrushes but I'm not sure how they'd get the aircraft carrier up the canals.

 

[ground zero]

The Sutherland Stingrays are team 18

 

[Iamback]

All the most successful expansion clubs in Australian sports history have been big independent metropolitan clubs where there was proven demand before hand, not promoted suburban clubs.

If we set relocations to one side, the WC Eagles, Brisbane Broncos, Adelaide Crows, Melbourne Storm, and Western Sydney Wanders, are probably the gold standard of expansion teams in Australian sport. So why wouldn't you copy that mould, instead of the promotion mould that's had mixed results at best?

Of course the answer is that your assertion that promoted teams are safer bets is just a post hock rationalisation to justify your personal preference for "traditional" clubs, and you don't actually care what's best for the sport or league as a whole.

Now looking at those sides you mentioned

WC, Brisbane Broncos, Crows all came from very strong local comps into a national comp

Storm came from 3 teams folding

So in those examples across 30 or so years you came up with 1 brand new team being a great success?

Further to that 3 teams in 9 years to be build from the ground up to include a junior development program in a new market?

 

[Iamback]

Would Brisbane Tigers fans watch the Perth Firehawks and think of it as their team?

They'd likely run the lower grades out of Brisbane, So yes I'd say they would

 

[Iamback]

This is a pretty uninteresting conversation. It is also pretty obvious regarding the bias here.

One says that a Perth team will dominate and that there are no other good bids and the other is saying the same thing about a second New Zealand side.

By the way, I think both should be in a prospective 20 team competition

Most people are the same it is just the order it happens in

 

[MugaB]

I’d prefer ‘the Venetian Blinds’.

Logo is a pair of sunnys

 

[Wb1234]

They didn’t struggle, they never finished bottom, never had the smallest crowds and we’re building a decent club. A combination of ARL stupidity and a civil war did for them. Gws hasn’t fac3d any of that and in fact quite the opposite.
blah blah blah

A combination of their own stupidity and news ltds

but about to be resurrected by the arl again

not many clubs get a second chance by the arl

south’s had to go to court to get it

 

[taipan]

They didn’t struggle, they never finished bottom, never had the smallest crowds and we’re building a decent club. A combination of ARL stupidity and a civil war did for them. Gws hasn’t fac3d any of that and in fact quite the opposite.
blah blah blah

You guys went to SL after just being invited to join the competition. The Sharks did it out of desperation because they were in line for the chopping block. because of managerial incompetence
If Perth had not decided to go SL ,we may not have ended up sh*t street. How about you man up and admit Murdoch sucked you in .Your crowds dropped off when you went to SL ,that's gratitude for you.

GWS faced having another AFL club in Sydney for fans, you had no such issues with a RL to draw fans from.Blah blah.

 

[Perth Red]

You guys went to SL after just being invited to join the competition. The Sharks did it out of desperation because they were in line for the chopping block. because of managerial incompetence
If Perth had not decided to go SL ,we may not have ended up sh*t street. How about you man up and admit Murdoch sucked you in .Your crowds dropped off when you went to SL ,that's gratitude for you.

GWS faced having another AFL club in Sydney for fans, you had no such issues with a RL to draw fans from.Blah blah.

they went because ARL imposed stupid travel payment costs on the Reds then at the 11th hour doubled down on that stupidity by adding a third grade for them to pay for.
The busines model was done on two grades and Reds board from the time have said they could have managed that. The adding of the third grade, at a cost of around $200k a year which was massive back in 1995, put them in a major hole. That’s what drove the Reds into news ltd arms. News ltd offered a massive sponsorship deal which solved Reds sudden money problems and the rest is history.

would they have been better to stay with ARL? Who knows. Hopefully the 25 year old mistake of cutting perth from the game will soon be put right like it has just been for the crushers being cut.

 

[taipan]

Good to see you back old friend. Things in Tassie remain moribund footy wise. But I still have beer and I still have our Sharks!

Thanks champ.Lost touch for a while, then finally decided to get back here where the action is .Stir the custard so to speak.One thing has never changed ,and you know who
Just knocked over a couple of Cascades Thursday night, s ucking in a bit of Tassie goodness.
If there is one thing all CEOS of the code have neglected it's Tasmania, and I'm buggered to understand why.

 

[taipan]

they went because ARL imposed stupid travel payment costs on the Reds then at the 11th hour doubled down on that stupidity by adding a third grade for them to pay for. That’s what drove the Reds into news ltd arms. News ltd offered a massive sponsorship deal which solved Reds sudden money problems and the rest is history.

But but you had the financial support ATT by wealthy individuals.Yeah you went short term and what did it get you.The flickeroo in the end.

 

[Perth Red]

But but you had the financial support ATT by wealthy individuals.Yeah you went short term and what did it get you.The flickeroo in the end.

They went for what they thought was best at the time, from what Ive been told by a board member at the time it was incredibly acrimonious and the board was evenly split on which way to go. I’m not sure staying with ARL would have saved them anyway. The game was stupid and short sighted to cut perth, we had 10k registered players at the time, but that’s rugba league for you.

 

[Wb1234]

they went because ARL imposed stupid travel payment costs on the Reds then at the 11th hour doubled down on that stupidity by adding a third grade for them to pay for.
The busines model was done on two grades and Reds board from the time have said they could have managed that. The adding of the third grade, at a cost of around $200k a year which was massive back in 1995, put them in a major hole. That’s what drove the Reds into news ltd arms. News ltd offered a massive sponsorship deal which solved Reds sudden money problems and the rest is history.

would they have been better to stay with ARL? Who knows. Hopefully the 25 year old mistake of cutting perth from the game will soon be put right like it has just been for the crushers being cut.

So why did news ltd kill them off and allow Cronulla into the nrl ?

 

[marshall stalin]

How many more teams can they afford though - Broadcasters do have a ceiling on how much they can be pay.

24 game regular NRL season

If 20 teams - 10 games each round - 240 games
If 18 teams - 9 games each round - 216 games
17 teams - 8 games each round/split round - 192 games

Not Withstanding that all Clubs would have a NRLW side as well

How much do NRL clubs receive now as grants for NRL and those with NRLW sides.

It may well not be the case of having enough players it might be a case of not being able to afford to have that many teams in either NRL or NRLW comps

 

[Foreign Legion]

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[Perth Red]

So why did news ltd kill them off and allow Cronulla into the nrl ?

One of life’s great mysteries! Such a rugba league decision to make.

 

[Perth Red]

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[AlwaysGreen]

So it sounds like the Western Reds were the greatest team in the competition, were as rich as Barcelona FC, had more fans than the New York Yankees and were about to go on a premiership run that would have made the St George Dragons effort look secon rate when they were culled from the competition due to incompetence and jealousy.

 

[Perth Red]

So it sounds like the Western Reds were the greatest team in the competition, were as rich as Barcelona FC, had more fans than the New York Yankees and were about to go on a premiership run that would have made the St George Dragons effort look secon rate when they were culled from the competition due to incompetence and jealousy.

haha troll done good. Back to watching your embarrassment of a club matey.