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18th club, whose next?

Perth Red

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The SL model for Sydney would have made the stadium development a lot easier! We’ve lost the war with afl, they have continually fretting about holding our heartlands whilst they continue to invest significantly to be Australias national football code By growing into rugby league states. Meanwhile nrl has zero strategy for growing in afl states.
 

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Rugby Union tried that twice with the ARC & NRC but it failed miserably as fans of the respective Sydney & Brisbane clubs didn't want a bar of it.
Fair enough. But is the usual method any better? Where fast forward, and the league or commission has to resort to pushing mergers, relocations, or telling clubs to go away and die? My main focus was just on preserving the honored histories of all local clubsz not killing them, not putting them in some hard to meet expectation national comp set up where finances etc can spell doom. Thinking of a way to serve both ends.
 

AdelaideSharky

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Fair enough. But is the usual method any better? Where fast forward, and the league or commission has to resort to pushing mergers, relocations, or telling clubs to go away and die? My main focus was just on preserving the honored histories of all local clubsz not killing them, not putting them in some hard to meet expectation national comp set up where finances etc can spell doom. Thinking of a way to serve both ends.
Unfortunately for the NRL like the AFL they'll just have to put up with the existing Sydney clubs.

As the heartache of 1997-2001 showed all merging or killing off clubs does is hand rival codes a leg up they wouldn't get on their own.

And relocations don't work either before @Perth Red and his cronies pop up.

People keep using the Sydney Swans as the model as to how relocation works but bar the Geoffrey Edelsten sugar hit in the mid 80's how many times did the AFL have to bail them out financially to stop them from folding?

If it wasn't for the SL war and the AFL intervening to ensure Tony Lockett went to Sydney instead of Richmond, I highly doubt the Swans would currently have the fanbase it does.
 

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Unfortunately for the NRL like the AFL they'll just have to put up with the existing Sydney clubs.

As the heartache of 1997-2001 showed all merging or killing off clubs does is hand rival codes a leg up they wouldn't get on their own.

And relocations don't work either before @Perth Red and his cronies pop up.

People keep using the Sydney Swans as the model as to how relocation works but bar the Geoffrey Edelsten sugar hit in the mid 80's how many times did the AFL have to bail them out financially to stop them from folding?

If it wasn't for the SL war and the AFL intervening to ensure Tony Lockett went to Sydney instead of Richmond, I highly doubt the Swans would currently have the fanbase it does.
Surely that’s the point, if you do it properly with strategy and investment then it can work very succesfully, as the swans and to a lessor degree lions shows. Problem we have in nrl is no one wants to see anything that supports clubs that need support to thrive, we have this stupid communist approach that all are equal and get the same when in reality if you want to be successful you need additional assistance sometimes.
Dolphins could be the latest victims looking at how they are struggling to build a team for 2023 That gets them hitting the ground running and gives them best chance for early success.

equity Over equality
 
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AdelaideSharky

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Surely that’s the point, if you do it properly with strategy and investment then it can work very succesfully, as the swans and to a lessor degree lions shows. Problem we have in nrl is no one wants to see anything that supports clubs that need support to thrive, we have this stupid communist approach that all are equal and get the same when in reality if you want to be successful you need additional assistance sometimes.
Dolphins could be the latest victims looking at how they are struggling to build a team for 2023 That gets them hitting the ground running and gives them best chance for early success.

Equality not equity.
While I'm no leftwinger (my political views would put me at odds with most league fans) and yourself being from Western Australia wouldn't understand this but rugby league in Sydney is extremely left wing with the socialist mentality.

It's largely supported by the working class (aka the old Left before it got hijacked by the far left) from largely Labor heartlands.

What you're proposing will never be supported by rugby league fans.

No offence mate but I think you're better off supporting rugby union and the Western Force.
 

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I believe anything can work if properly devised and thoughtfully planned. Sure, you also need a little luck roo....like the Lockett Swans SL example
 

AdelaideSharky

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I believe anything can work if properly devised and thoughtfully planned. Sure, you also need a little luck roo....like the Lockett Swans SL example
That was a one off never to be repeated again.

Rugby league fans by nature are hardwired resistant to change.

Look no further than the whingeing most English fans did when the Toronto Wolfpack were in the English league system.
 

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That was a one off never to be repeated again.

Rugby league fans by nature are hardwired resistant to change.

Look no further than the whingeing most English fans did when the Toronto Wolfpack were in the English league system.
You provide a good soundboard of realism to most of our positivity. Still, it'd be worse to just abandon all hope, all attempts, and what? Revert to a NSW - QLD only comp. RL still needs to fight and expand, try to get a fully national junior development and support that long term growth by propping up some teams in AFL states. The international reach of RL is an advantage to possibly one day seeing AFL dwindle in Australia. Gotta try.
 

AdelaideSharky

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You provide a good soundboard of realism to most of our positivity. Still, it'd be worse to just abandon all hope, all attempts, and what? Revert to a NSW - QLD only comp. RL still needs to fight and expand, try to get a fully national junior development and support that long term growth by propping up some teams in AFL states. The international reach of RL is an advantage to possibly one day seeing AFL dwindle in Australia. Gotta try.
Look mate,

I once was the all guns blazing expansionist myself but after the demise of the Wolfpack and the several other failed attempts on both sides of the globe one has to eventually take the hint.

The game simply is incapable of expanding beyond its heartlands.

It had all the opportunity in the world while rugby union was still in an amateur game but any opportunity since has gone.

With professional sport looking more global these days small time parochial sports like league and Aussie Rules have serious problems.

With it looking likely Australia will be hosting union's Rugby World Cup again if Rugby Australia don't make the same mistakes that it did in 2003 then both league and AFL will have a lot to worry about.
 

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While I'm no leftwinger (my political views would put me at odds with most league fans) and yourself being from Western Australia wouldn't understand this but rugby league in Sydney is extremely left wing with the socialist mentality.

It's largely supported by the working class (aka the old Left before it got hijacked by the far left) from largely Labor heartlands.

What you're proposing will never be supported by rugby league fans.

No offence mate but I think you're better off supporting rugby union and the Western Force.
It’s a foolish notion to believe all clubs are equal therefore need the same support. It’s held the game back for decades, take your sharks, you’re never going to be a powerhouse due to not having the advantages some other clubs have, so why not help you step up to be equal with others? take dolphins, they’re struggling to sign players as going to a new club isn’t that exciting anymore when there’s serious money on offer from established ones, so help them be succesful from day one by giving them cap concessions for first 5 years. Our current system makes little sense and the proof is in the pudding with clubs continuing to be on the brink of insolvency or languishing at the bottom whilst the big boys sit pretty at the top every year due to the advantages they have.
 

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Look mate,

I once was the all guns blazing expansionist myself but after the demise of the Wolfpack and the several other failed attempts on both sides of the globe one has to eventually take the hint.

The game simply is incapable of expanding beyond its heartlands.

It had all the opportunity in the world while rugby union was still in an amateur game but any opportunity since has gone.

With professional sport looking more global these days small time parochial sports like league and Aussie Rules have serious problems.

With it looking likely Australia will be hosting union's Rugby World Cup again if Rugby Australia don't make the same mistakes that it did in 2003 then both league and AFL will have a lot to worry about.
In its current thinking I agree, change the thinking if you want to grow the business!
 

AdelaideSharky

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It’s a foolish notion to believe all clubs are equal therefore need the same support. It’s held the game back for decades, take your sharks, you’re never going to be a powerhouse due to not having the advantages some other clubs have, so why not help you step up to be equal with others? take dolphins, they’re struggling to sign players as going to a new club isn’t that exciting anymore when there’s serious money on offer from established ones, so help them be succesful from day one by giving them cap concessions for first 5 years. Our current system makes little sense and the proof is in the pudding with clubs continuing to be on the brink of insolvency or languishing at the bottom whilst the big boys sit pretty at the top every year due to the advantages they have.
In an ideal world the game should have an AFL style draft, we did have a shortlived one in the early 90's but it was taken to court by then Souths centre Terry Hill who wanted to join the old Western Suburbs Magpies but was drafted by Souths' arch rivals Eastern Suburbs (the now Sydney Roosters). But obviously they'll have to take the same steps the AFL did to put the legal framework in place to stop the draft ever being challenged in the courts again.

But it's highly unlikely to happen.

 
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Time to bring the draft in Was when they gave the players a $3million pay rise per club! Should have been a condition of the that massive increase. They’d have soon signed up! I’d also have a variable grant scheme and a performance enhancement gran program clubs could tap into to improve their football club revenue generation.
it’s ludicrous that a club like sharks that struggles to bring in $10million a year is given the same grant as the broncos that brings in $40milliin a year!
 
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Yeah, and that would have been an interesting move by Superleague - setting up newly branded teams for their 3 or 4 Sydney clubs.

Problem is for Sydney fans that aside from rough geography, there's no context.. no backstory.

Plus, who would have OWNED the new clubs? All News Ltd.. or part/fully owned by whatever ARL Sydney clubs they could entice? (Say, Penrith as part or full owners of West Sydney Wombats playing out of Parramatta Stadium?!?)
Super League should have given the Newtown Jets a licence, rebranded as the Sydney Jets.
 

AdelaideSharky

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Time to bring the draft in Was when they gave the players a $3million pay rise per club! Should have been a condition of the that massive increase. They’d have soon signed up! I’d also have a variable grant scheme and a performance enhancement gran program clubs could tap into to improve their football club revenue generation.
it’s ludicrous that a club like sharks that struggles to bring in $10million a year is given the same grant as the broncos that brings in $40milliin a year!
A variable grant scheme will just make the richer clubs like Brisbane and Easts richer and the poorer clubs poorer.

Do we really want a joke competition like Spanish La Liga football where Real Madrid and Barcelona get the bulk of the cash and the rest of the league fights over the scraps.
 
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Unfortunately for the NRL like the AFL they'll just have to put up with the existing Sydney clubs.

As the heartache of 1997-2001 showed all merging or killing off clubs does is hand rival codes a leg up they wouldn't get on their own.

And relocations don't work either before @Perth Red and his cronies pop up.

People keep using the Sydney Swans as the model as to how relocation works but bar the Geoffrey Edelsten sugar hit in the mid 80's how many times did the AFL have to bail them out financially to stop them from folding?

If it wasn't for the SL war and the AFL intervening to ensure Tony Lockett went to Sydney instead of Richmond, I highly doubt the Swans would currently have the fanbase it does.
How many times has your club died and been revived by the governing body?

If it wasn't for Super League your club would have died around the time The Bears were canned.
 

AdelaideSharky

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How many times has your club died and been revived by the governing body?

If it wasn't for Super League your club would have died around the time The Bears were canned.
That's a complete furphy.

The club wasn't in financial trouble in 1995-1997 as the club was being bankrolled by businessman Peter Gow (the father of supermodel Elle Macpherson and hi fi store magnate).
 
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The SL model for Sydney would have made the stadium development a lot easier! We’ve lost the war with afl, they have continually fretting about holding our heartlands whilst they continue to invest significantly to be Australias national football code By growing into rugby league states. Meanwhile nrl has zero strategy for growing in afl states.
australias national football code ....
that runs on secondary channels mainly in NSW the ACT & QLD where almost 15 million people live because no one watches it
lol
national my arse
 
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Time to bring the draft in Was when they gave the players a $3million pay rise per club! Should have been a condition of the that massive increase. They’d have soon signed up! I’d also have a variable grant scheme and a performance enhancement gran program clubs could tap into to improve their football club revenue generation.
it’s ludicrous that a club like sharks that struggles to bring in $10million a year is given the same grant as the broncos that brings in $40milliin a year!
it helps that brisbane was the only team in a city of 2.5 million people.
thats been fixed now
 
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