18th club, whose next?

[Wb1234]

Its hard to fathom how clubs with massive pokie dens funding them (Bulldogs and Tigers) or massive jnr areas (Dragons) can be performing so badly on a regular year on year occurrence.
Im not sure its about player talent depth, maybe its coaching, maybe its poor ongoing management, who knows? I guess if it was easy to fix every club would be successful!

Very easy for clubs to go to plod

eg roosters

not many really elite coaches other than Bellamy and bennett

 

[Centy Coast]

There are so many players out there that don’t get the opportunities, it’s ridiculous.
Most of it is just luck, taking gambles, staying injury free and hoping everything falls into place.
I’ve now seen another two kids Bradman Best and Scotty Drinkwater join Nicho Hynes, Jacob and Daniel Saifiti at Origin level, players I’ve known since they were kids.
Were these kids standouts ?, yes, did these kids play in competitive junior teams ?, yes, but there were better teams out there, teams that won the competition 9 years in a row, yet none of their players have gone on to NRL level ?.
There is plenty of talent out there, but plenty of talent also gets overlooked.

 

[Canard]

Very easy for clubs to go to plod

eg roosters

not many really elite coaches other than Bellamy and bennett

With due respect I would say Bennett and Bellamy do f**k all in junior development.

And the one rule in professional sports is, you lose to much, you lose your job. So you don't get to "plod' for long.

 

[Bukowski]

Not really, Its not just a numbers game. If it was PNG would be producing dozens of NRL first graders. Its numbers plus quality of coaching, plus elite pathways plus scouting.

Well obviously coaching comes into it.

 

[Centy Coast]

Very easy for clubs to go to plod

eg roosters

not many really elite coaches other than Bellamy and bennett

Why do clubs like the Tigers go back and recruit somebody like Tim Sheens though ?, a Coach they sacked, it’s ridiculous.
They should just go with a young Coach, all these clubs just want instant success, look at the Bulldogs, let’s buy JAC, let’s buy Kikau, let’s buy Mahoney, let’s buy Burton, let’s buy Flanagan, let’s buy TPJ, let’s buy Crichton, let’s buy the drug cheat, like seriously just buying players isn’t the answer.

 

[Wb1234]

Why do clubs like the Tigers go back and recruit somebody like Tim Sheens though ?, a Coach they sacked, it’s ridiculous.
They should just go with a young Coach, all these clubs just want instant success, look at the Bulldogs, let’s buy JAC, let’s buy Kikau, let’s buy Mahoney, let’s buy Burton, let’s buy Flanagan, let’s buy TPJ, let’s buy Crichton, let’s buy the drug cheat, like seriously just buying players isn’t the answer.

Tigers signed guys like tamou and API and they don’t do much

Madge whose a great coach struggled with them

they’ve had a bad culture from the start

 

[taste2taste]

Why do clubs like the Tigers go back and recruit somebody like Tim Sheens though ?, a Coach they sacked, it’s ridiculous.
They should just go with a young Coach, all these clubs just want instant success, look at the Bulldogs, let’s buy JAC, let’s buy Kikau, let’s buy Mahoney, let’s buy Burton, let’s buy Flanagan, let’s buy TPJ, let’s buy Crichton, let’s buy the drug cheat, like seriously just buying players isn’t the answer.

I heard Gus explain a while back on one of his long winded podcasts, he's theory for long term success is pathways and juniors...but if the top team is going rubbish the kids go and play for a more successful team. So to keep the kids interested in staying you try and have short term success by buying your way out of trouble with a ton of signings that'll help short term until the kids come through to the NRL.

Sorry, that makes no sense, I just read it back and am now more confused than I was before.

 

[flippikat]

The problems at those clubs go deeper than just player depth. I didn't see the game but that Bulldogs side should never lose by 60 to the Knights. Something very very wrong at that club. Tigers as well....

It's interesting that these clubs (Bulldogs, Tigers, Dragons) are all inner south-west sydney - Is it time one of them starts to seriously consider relocating? Dragons to Wollongong fulltime at least.

It's also interesting that 2 of the 3 clubs are joint-venture clubs, trying to appease multiple separate supporter & governance bases.

I don't know what the answer is - maybe it's basing the Dragons even more in Wollongong or relocating one of those 3 clubs (inter-state? Maybe..) but something's got to change.

Out of the terrible trio, I think the Bulldogs stand the best chance of turning it around - not being a JV means they have a unified direction, Gould is big on pathway development (and that's showing signs in lower grade/age-group of producing something), and they're un-tying the knots in their salary cap.. but I have real doubts about the other two.

 

[Wb1234]

I heard Gus explain a while back on one of his long winded podcasts, he's theory for long term success is pathways and juniors...but if the top team is going rubbish the kids go and play for a more successful team. So to keep the kids interested in staying you try and have short term success by buying your way out of trouble with a ton of signings that'll help short term until the kids come through to the NRL.

Sorry, that makes no sense, I just read it back and am now more confused than I was before.

Nah it makes perfect sense

 

[Wb1234]

And so it beigns! Its almost liek we didnt have crap teams and blow outs before we got a 17th club!!

Brutal truth exposed amid NRL expansion proposal​

All those still in favour of further expansion in the next few years please raise your right hand. Wests Tigers' record loss to North Queensland followed by Canterbury's pitiful capitulation to the Knights again exposed the lack of depth in this competition despite the NRL spin doctors trying to convince us all this is "the tightest competition we've ever seen".

Truth is, the NRL competition will always be close for the first dozen rounds before falling into a familiar pattern. The good sides get better and those in the bottom four fall away alarmingly and start turning in the sort of displays we saw from the Tigers and Dogs.

Take a look at the current top eight and tell me if there are any genuine surprises from what you thought back in March. Okay, we'll give you the Warriors being seventh and the Roosters 12th as a bit of a shock but the rest of it was pretty much predictable.

It’s at the other end of the table where the problems lie. St George Illawarra, Canterbury and the Tigers have been poor for years and shown no sign of any improvement anytime soon.

The Dolphins, at the start of their existence, went at it like a 20-year-old at a free beer party. They've now won just one of their last six, dropping the last four straight by a combined 160-62.

You can just about put a fork in Wayne Bennett's mob, they look done. And while the Dolphins deserve the highest of praise for being more than competitive first year in, isn’t what they’re now going through – and the horror show that is the Dragons, Tigers and Dogs - proof there is a lack of genuine depth at a number of clubs?

Throwing another club in the mix so soon after the Dolphins' arrival – just so we get to an 18-team competition - would be sheer madness.

Ben Hunt saga hurting Dragons as ugly NRL expansion truth exposed

Round 18 of the NRL threw up a big issue around Ben Hunt at the Dragons and proof the competition isn't ready for further expansion. Details here.

au.sports.yahoo.com

This is bloody hilarious

 

[MugaB]

Why do clubs like the Tigers go back and recruit somebody like Tim Sheens though ?, a Coach they sacked, it’s ridiculous.
They should just go with a young Coach, all these clubs just want instant success, look at the Bulldogs, let’s buy JAC, let’s buy Kikau, let’s buy Mahoney, let’s buy Burton, let’s buy Flanagan, let’s buy TPJ, let’s buy Crichton, let’s buy the drug cheat, like seriously just buying players isn’t the answer.

Its the band aid solution, but its not the fix, as someone pointed out earlier in this post the juniors are all winning, 2 seasons from now, we'll be talking about how the bulldogs are the benchmark as much as penrith have been... 5 years ago i was talking to my mates about the crop of ypungers winning at all levels coming thru together, nathan clearys junior team, had guys like james fisher harris, jerome luai, brian To'o, brent Naden, maika sivo, sione Katoa(sharks) dylan edwards etc this young group smashed every team, now they are all NRL 1st graders, guess who was their coach? Ciraldo , this is currently happening at the dogs right now, you can probably thank gould for that, its not an easy fix, but they are going in the right direction...
I dont believe there's not enough player talent, theres not enough opportunities to show it, more clubs means more opportunities, if the dolphins didn't come in guys like Isaiah Katoa, and Sean O'Sullivan sit behind Nathan Cleary for another 3-4 seasons,

 

[westerntiger]

This is bloody hilarious

The last three remaining rugby union supporters in Australia have the same names

 

[Canard]

It's also interesting that 2 of the 3 clubs are joint-venture clubs, trying to appease multiple separate supporter & governance bases.

I don't know what the answer is - maybe it's basing the Dragons even more in Wollongong or relocating one of those 3 clubs (inter-state? Maybe..) but something's got to change.

Out of the terrible trio, I think the Bulldogs stand the best chance of turning it around - not being a JV means they have a unified direction, Gould is big on pathway development (and that's showing signs in lower grade/age-group of producing something), and they're un-tying the knots in their salary cap.. but I have real doubts about the other two.

I don't think geography is the solution or the cause.

That's like having a troubled relationship and thinking that moving to a new city will solve it.

 

[MugaB]

I don't think geography is the solution or the cause.

That's like having a troubled relationship and thinking that moving to a new city will solve it.

Correct... they are all in rebuilding phases
Broncos and Eels were there some years back
Knights were too... bulldogs are there now
Tigers are just solidified there by bad management, dragons are just unlucky, they should be better that what they are dishing up, moneyball hook really got his moneys worth with plodders there... plod,plod plod

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Just finishing off the bulldogs game, geez it’s worse than my local league for quality of play. It’s not like knights are world beaters either! There’ll always be blow outs, it’s nature of our game. As long as 80% plus of games are competitive then all good.

Quite a few blow-outs this year. Even against teams who are in the top 4.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

As much as I dislike the sharks for a club that’s got no money, no fans and a sht stadium they seem to at least stay competitve every year. There’s much better resourced teams in the comp who fair a lot worse.

I've been harsh on the Sharks, but I admire the ability to punch above their weight. Over the last 15 years they've improved their business significantly and are heading in the right direction. I don't think they'll ever be one of the stronger clubs, but they're not basketcases like the Tigers, Dragons and Bulldogs. Despite all of the money the Bulldogs generate from pokies, they've failed to develop the infrastructure needed to generate a strong culture that leads to onfield success and an active fanbase.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Dragons and Tigers are just an example as to why we should not have had mergers. Complete dysfunction.

It makes me wonder if we should just bring back the St George Dragons and Western Sydney Magpies and let the Illawarra Steelers and Balmain Tigers die.

 

[MugaB]

I've been harsh on the Sharks, but I admire the ability to punch above their weight. Over the last 15 years they've improved their business significantly and are heading in the right direction. I don't think they'll ever be one of the stronger clubs, but they're not basketcases like the Tigers, Dragons and Bulldogs. Despite all of the money the Bulldogs generate from pokies, they've failed to develop the infrastructure needed to generate a strong culture that leads to onfield success and an active fanbase.

Yes you have, for the past 3 years, you have been pushing for relocation of them and piling shit on them, all to fit some dumb narritive in your brain that they are the weakest link... there is no weakest link, there is no way any brand gets dropped, no one moves anywhere unless its on there own volition..
You chop and change your bias depending on whos at the bottom of the ladder, and just recently started howling about the canberra raiders for stealing all the BRL players in the late 80s... its good to see your the error in all your judgements...
Cant wait to see you put shit on the roosters next near when they run last

 

[Canard]

It makes me wonder if we should just bring back the St George Dragons and Western Sydney Magpies and let the Illawarra Steelers and Balmain Tigers die.

How would that make any difference to their on field performance?

I think it's an easy excuse, and avoids the real issue.

And even if it was, it's not some magic bullet to all wear the same polo shirt.

We see warring board factions in clubs like Manly and Parra constantly, for example.

 

[MugaB]

How would that make any difference to their on field performance?

Forget conversing with an idiot, somehow he thinks that they are all still operating separately, and that they can pick up, split up and relocate at a whim, or moreso at his fingers clicking, and at whatever media story blows his way towards doom and gloom towards that said club