18th club, whose next?

[MugaB]

And even if it was, it's not some magic bullet to all wear the same polo shirt.

We see warring board factions in clubs like Manly and Parra constantly, for example.

Bulldogs and Broncos too

 

[Colk]

It makes me wonder if we should just bring back the St George Dragons and Western Sydney Magpies and let the Illawarra Steelers and Balmain Tigers die.

I hate the idea of mergers in sport. It works in the corporate world (a lot better anyway) but the simpler way would have been just dropping a few clubs back to NSW Cup or relocating them.

Anyway, I can’t see how the Dragons and Tigers will succeed until all those parties involved in the pre existing clubs die off and they think of themselves as just one club

 

[MugaB]

I hate the idea of mergers in sport. It works in the corporate world (a lot better anyway) but the simpler way would have been just dropping a few clubs back to NSW Cup or relocating them.

Anyway, I can’t see how the Dragons and Tigers will succeed until all those parties involved in the pre existing clubs die off and they think of themselves as just one club

It didnt affect them in 2005 and 2010... its all BS, being a merger club is no different to being the titans or knights sitting at the bottom of the ladder for years on end... are the Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs a merger team? No coz they got pumped over the weekend too.. there's no difference, there will always be a bottom 4 in every ladder... its not always the same teams, but it more likely the ones who don't build a strong roster or have the experienced depth to stay off of the bottom

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

How would that make any difference to their on field performance?

I think it's an easy excuse, and avoids the real issue.

And even if it was, it's not some magic bullet to all wear the same polo shirt.

We see warring board factions in clubs like Manly and Parra constantly, for example.

On field performance is linked to the professionalism and culture of the club's boardroom and football department. High value players do not want to play for poorly run clubs that are marred by boardroom politics.

The Dragons and Tigers have been marred by amateurish football departments for over a decade. It's why they've struggled to recruit high profile players unless they offered them more than their market value. One of the players the Dragons paid an exorbitant amount to lure away from the Broncos wants out.

Manly hasn't won shit since 2011, have they?

Parramatta haven't won a premiership since the suburban NSWRL competition admitted a team from Brisbane. If we're being honest then all premierships before 1988 should be stricken from the record as it wasn't a fully professional competiton and wasn't national.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I hate the idea of mergers in sport. It works in the corporate world (a lot better anyway) but the simpler way would have been just dropping a few clubs back to NSW Cup or relocating them.

Anyway, I can’t see how the Dragons and Tigers will succeed until all those parties involved in the pre existing clubs die off and they think of themselves as just one club

It'll take years for the old parties to die off. At least another 20 years to be fully rid of them. Whether the clubs can handle another 20 years ofinfighting and mediocrity while their competitors grow is yet to be seen. Eventually the old die hard fans will die off. If the clubs are still struggling on and off the field then it'll be hard to entice the younger generation to support them.

 

[MugaB]

On field performance is linked to the professionalism and culture of the club's boardroom and football department. High value players do not want to play for poorly run clubs that are marred by boardroom politics.

The Dragons and Tigers have been marred by amateurish football departments for over a decade. It's why they've struggled to recruit high profile players unless they offered them more than their market value. One of the players the Dragons paid an exorbitant amount to lure away from the Broncos wants out.

Manly hasn't won shit since 2011, have they?

Parramatta haven't won a premiership since the suburban NSWRL competition admitted a team from Brisbane. If we're being honest then all premierships before 1988 should be stricken from the record as it wasn't a fully professional competiton and wasn't national.

Po ta to post...
NSWRL => ARL => NRL once you accept that the world will stop being that little less stressful on your tiny little brain

 

[Wb1234]

It didnt affect them in 2005 and 2010... its all BS, being a merger club is no different to being the titans or knights sitting at the bottom of the ladder for years on end... are the Canterbury Bankstown Bulldogs a merger team? No coz they got pumped over the weekend too.. there's no difference, there will always be a bottom 4 in every ladder... its not always the same teams, but it more likely the ones who don't build a strong roster or have the experienced depth to stay off of the bottom

Don’t agree

the tigers have no identity and a weak culture

they don’t have a proper home ground and they don’t know which area they represent

dragons aren’t as bad culturally but still trying to represent two areas with Cronulla in the middle and a dysfunctional board

knights and titans are regional clubs which tend to struggle against the cashed up city clubs

dogs has me stumped. From the 80s on they won regular comps until Hasler came along

maybe it’s a poor ceo but I’ll be shocked if Gus doesn’t get them to the top

 

[Canard]

On field performance is linked to the professionalism and culture of the club's boardroom and football department. High value players do not want to play for poorly run clubs that are marred by boardroom politics.

The Dragons and Tigers have been marred by amateurish football departments for over a decade. It's why they've struggled to recruit high profile players unless they offered them more than their market value. One of the players the Dragons paid an exorbitant amount to lure away from the Broncos wants out.

Manly hasn't won shit since 2011, have they?

Parramatta haven't won a premiership since the suburban NSWRL competition admitted a team from Brisbane. If we're being honest then all premierships before 1988 should be stricken from the record as it wasn't a fully professional competiton and wasn't national.

Your original point was that the merged clubs needed to split to be successful.

When I pointed out that un-merged clubs can have dysfunctional boards, you furiously agreed with me.

And then made my original point, teams need to be well run in order to succeed, geography has nothing to do with it.

 

[MugaB]

Don’t agree

the tigers have no identity and a weak culture

they don’t have a proper home ground and they don’t know which area they represent

dragons aren’t as bad culturally but still trying to represent two areas with Cronulla in the middle and a dysfunctional board

knights and titans are regional clubs which tend to struggle against the cashed up city clubs

dogs has me stumped. From the 80s on they won regular comps until Hasler came along

maybe it’s a poor ceo but I’ll be shocked if Gus doesn’t get them to the top

Cowboys are a regional club too, they dont seem to have an issue identifying talent for their roster, to some extent so are penrith and canberra...
I dont think dragons being hampered by kogarah and wollongong is much of an issue, as they train and play in Wollongong as home base, its more of a fifo style setup with kogarah... (dont they have a team bus, with a funny name?)
None of that matters, its all about strength in roster, and making sure the right players are getting the right coin, to fit the rest of the depth players... which i think the dragons aren't too bad, but again not sure why they are losing touch, where they were only losing by close margins until recently (blame lomaxs boot for that one)
Roosters should not be where they are,.... but hey i personally dont care, fk em

 

[Pneuma]

Cowboys are a regional club too, they dont seem to have an issue identifying talent for their roster, to some extent so are penrith and canberra...
I dont think dragons being hampered by kogarah and wollongong is much of an issue, as they train and play in Wollongong as home base, its more of a fifo style setup with kogarah... (dont they have a team bus, with a funny name?)
None of that matters, its all about strength in roster, and making sure the right players are getting the right coin, to fit the rest of the depth players... which i think the dragons aren't too bad, but again not sure why they are losing touch, where they were only losing by close margins until recently (blame lomaxs boot for that one)
Roosters should not be where they, but hey i personally dont care, fk em

For the dragons it’s a club culture driven by poor administration. Same as wests. People are asking why sharks are doing pretty well? It starts from the top. Storm and Panthers are both exemplary with this.

 

[MugaB]

For the dragons it’s a club culture driven by poor administration. Same as wests. People are asking why sharks are doing pretty well? It starts from the top. Storm and Panthers are both exemplary with this.

What about the roosters, are they a well run club?
Coz they are sitting in 13th place with a -92 differential...

 

[Wb1234]

Cowboys are a regional club too, they dont seem to have an issue identifying talent for their roster, to some extent so are penrith and canberra...
I dont think dragons being hampered by kogarah and wollongong is much of an issue, as they train and play in Wollongong as home base, its more of a fifo style setup with kogarah... (dont they have a team bus, with a funny name?)
None of that matters, its all about strength in roster, and making sure the right players are getting the right coin, to fit the rest of the depth players... which i think the dragons aren't too bad, but again not sure why they are losing touch, where they were only losing by close margins until recently (blame lomaxs boot for that one)
Roosters should not be where they, but hey i personally dont care, fk em

Manly as a jv vs stand alone

your right on the dragons their problems aren’t that hard to fix but they should be based at Wollongong full time with Sydney getting no more than two games

Cowboys have struggled for much of their existence

 

[Pneuma]

What about the roosters, are they a well run club?
Coz they are sitting in 13th place with a -92 differential...

Yeah I think that’s a loyalty thing after years of success. They need to make a few cutthroat decisions. I don’t like the club but I respect what they’ve achieved. They’ve got to work on a new direction. That’s not unusual after so many good years.
By the way each time I get a sharks newsletter I get a strong vibe that we are a club looking and moving forward. Haters can hate but the sharks aren’t going to disappear and we are finally on a strong upward curve.

 

[mongoose]

What about the roosters, are they a well run club?
Coz they are sitting in 13th place with a -92 differential...

you keep bringing up the point that all clubs have bad periods but Tigers and Dragons are beginning to have that - getting left behind element to them, wouldn't be surprised if Manly joins them soon. Knights are looking similar too.

Dogs are a disgrace right now but will probably claw their way out. There is a bedrock of a strong culture somewhere there.

 

[Canard]

you keep bringing up the point that all clubs have bad periods but Tigers and Dragons are beginning to have that - getting left behind element to them, wouldn't be surprised if Manly joins them soon. Knights are looking similar too.

Dogs are a disgrace right now but will probably claw their way out. There is a bedrock of a strong culture somewhere there.

Its not uncommon for professional sporting teams in all codes to go through long periods of poor performance, though.

Fans of some codes throughout the world and even NRL clubs would laugh at a Dragons fan complaining they haven't won anything in only 12 seasons, or even the Tigers in 18.

 

[Wb1234]

you keep bringing up the point that all clubs have bad periods but Tigers and Dragons are beginning to have that - getting left behind element to them, wouldn't be surprised if Manly joins them soon. Knights are looking similar too.

Dogs are a disgrace right now but will probably claw their way out. There is a bedrock of a strong culture somewhere there.

Salary cap stopped working under gallop

and to be fair look at guys like addo carr or Burton I’m sure they would think staying at the storm or Penrith was the better option

 

[Bukowski]

Its not uncommon for professional sporting teams in all codes to go through long periods of poor performance, though.

Fans of some codes throughout the world and even NRL clubs would laugh at a Dragons fan complaining they haven't won anything in only 12 seasons, or even the Tigers in 18.

Tigers having made the finals only 3 times in 24 seasions days a lot more though. In a salary cap comp where half the comp makes the finals.

 

[mongoose]

Its not uncommon for professional sporting teams in all codes to go through long periods of poor performance, though.

Fans of some codes throughout the world and even NRL clubs would laugh at a Dragons fan complaining they haven't won anything in only 12 seasons, or even the Tigers in 18.

yep i know. The Eels and Panthers were hopeless for their first 2 decades or so... Cowboys were pretty awful for their first 8-9 seasons.

 

[Perth Red]

Is there any relevance to club 18 in all this discussion?

 

[AlwaysGreen]

What about the roosters, are they a well run club?
Coz they are sitting in 13th place with a -92 differential...

4 premierships since 2000 would suggest they are.