18th club, whose next?

[Colk]

Shane Richardson is one whole believes a threat in QLD. I think he is full of it but it extends more then just some randoms on the internet thinking it is the case

He is full of it and he was trying to build support for a third Brisbane side. I don’t blame him for trying to use this argument but it is a ridiculous one. It also shows the game as completely paranoid and not particularly confident about itself

 

[Colk]

Afl has expanded into places that have little to no interest in it

I’d agree with you re GWS yet there are people on here arguing this but at the same time arguing that we need a third side in an area where they supposedly don’t have any interest so as to prevent them from growing.

It seems a tad oxymoronic.

 

[Wb1234]

I’d agree with you re GWS yet there are people on here arguing this but at the same time arguing that we need a third side in an area where they supposedly don’t have any interest so as to prevent them from growing.

It seems a tad oxymoronic.

That’s not the main reason for brisbane 3 and you know it

but dealing a mortal blow to afl in qld is a nice side benefit

 

[Colk]

Rugby league is the main sport in Townsville..based on what I've heard on this board it's not the main sport in Canberra.

Why do you think the Cowboys generate more from football operations than the Raiders?



It's not about stealing current fans away from the Lions. It's about preventing fumbleball from stealing future rugby league fans and players from rugby league in Brisbane. A third team makes it harder for the Lions to generate revenue from football operations.

Btw you are still avoiding my question

 

[Colk]

That’s not the main reason for brisbane 3 and you know it

but dealing a mortal blow to afl in qld is a nice side benefit

Of course it is not the main reason. It shouldn’t even be a reason yet people here and in the media have used this exact argument. It is risible.

All I can say to you in response is the Swans and the Storm. There is no evidence of a mortal blow to anyone.

 

[Wb1234]

Of course it is not the main reason. It shouldn’t even be a reason yet people here and in the media have used this exact argument. It is risible.

All I can say to you in response is the Swans and the Storm. There is no evidence of a mortal blow to anyone.

Nrl has only just started expanding in earnest

afl is weak in qld but the afl has the money to cover it for now

 

[Colk]

Nrl has only just started expanding in earnest

afl is weak in qld but the afl has the money to cover it for now

Is it any weaker than fumbleball in NSW or rugby league in Victoria?

If they are averaging 30k plus attendees I’d imagine that they have got a decent niche. Again they will exist much like the Storm in Victoria and the Swans in NSW. They will have their niche audience but remain in the shadow of the bigger code.

I hope that you are right and I’m wrong but I’d strongly believe based on empirical evidence that I’d be correct.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

so because AFL invest millions into grassroots and have well organised school programs, all the NRL has to do is plonk another team into the region to stop them, seems a little simplistic.

Brisbane Tigers are investing in the Rochedale Tigers, Springwood Tigers, Flagstone Tigers and Yarrabilba Tigers. If you knew anything about rugby league in Brisbane then you would be aware of this fact.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Ideally team 18 will guarantee 3 games each for Saturday & Sunday on a full round.

If/when team 20 comes it will probably be Monday night for the 10th game. Perth and NZ teams provide some flexibility either side of the regular Saturday-Sunday timeslots so could do some Saturdays or Sundays with 4 games.

Saturday (AEST)
*1pm - NZ only, 3pm local.
3pm
5:30pm
7:30pm
*9:30pm - WA only 7:30pm local.

Sunday (AEST)
*12pm - NZ only, 2pm local.
2pm
4pm
6pm
*8pm - WA only, 6pm local.

We don't need a team in Perth to host a game on Sunday at 6pm AEST.

A 9.30pm Saturday game doesn't offer much for ratings. Neither does a 1pm game.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

2. You keep talking about how popular rugby league is in Brisbane but for some reason we have to have three clubs in Brisbane to somehow prevent that is not that popular. Do you understand the cognitive dissonance of this argument?

You're missing the point.

The ARLC doesn't have enough money to match fumbleball's investment in SEQ at the grassroots level.

Broncos haven't invested in grassroots football in SEQ since 1988.

Fumbleball have taken advantage of the Broncos' neglect of SEQ by developing the game through school competitions, introductory clinics, AusKick and getting Gov funding for junior clubs.

Dolphins are investing money on junior competitions in Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast and Central Queensland. The Brisbane Tigers will have the capacity to invest more money on junior competitions in southern Brisbane, Ipswich and Logan when they have an NRL licence.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

He is full of it and he was trying to build support for a third Brisbane side. I don’t blame him for trying to use this argument but it is a ridiculous one. It also shows the game as completely paranoid and not particularly confident about itself

He's not wrong about AwFuL investing money in SEQ. The statistics back him up, too. AwFuL have grown their participation base in SEQ. We don't have the money to counter their expenditure at the grassroots level and the News Ltd controlled Broncos only care about themselves.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Is it any weaker than fumbleball in NSW or rugby league in Victoria?

If they are averaging 30k plus attendees I’d imagine that they have got a decent niche. Again they will exist much like the Storm in Victoria and the Swans in NSW. They will have their niche audience but remain in the shadow of the bigger code.

I hope that you are right and I’m wrong but I’d strongly believe based on empirical evidence that I’d be correct.

You don't have a clue if you think the Swans in Sydney are comparable with Storm in Melbourne. Go look at the amount of fumbleball clubs in NSW compared with rugby league clubs in Victoria.

 

[Wb1234]

Is it any weaker than fumbleball in NSW or rugby league in Victoria?

If they are averaging 30k plus attendees I’d imagine that they have got a decent niche. Again they will exist much like the Storm in Victoria and the Swans in NSW. They will have their niche audience but remain in the shadow of the bigger code.

I hope that you are right and I’m wrong but I’d strongly believe based on empirical evidence that I’d be correct.

Yeh but if their crowds go down to 15k once they aren’t as sucesful the afl needs to put in an extra ten million per club to keep them alive

 

[Colk]

You're missing the point.

The ARLC doesn't have enough money to match fumbleball's investment in SEQ at the grassroots level.

Broncos haven't invested in grassroots football in SEQ since 1988.

Fumbleball have taken advantage of the Broncos' neglect of SEQ by developing the game through school competitions, introductory clinics, AusKick and getting Gov funding for junior clubs.

Dolphins are investing money on junior competitions in Moreton Bay, Sunshine Coast and Central Queensland. The Brisbane Tigers will have the capacity to invest more money on junior competitions in southern Brisbane, Ipswich and Logan when they have an NRL licence.

No I’m not missing your point at all. I just think your point is relatively invalid.

Two reasons why it is invalid.

Junior participation/numbers are largely incongruent to the actual popularity of the sport. Have a look at the junior participation levels for football (soccer) and basketball and compare it to the strength of their domestic competitions.

The type of athletes required to play fumbleball is completely different to league. There is a little bit of crossover but not a whole lot. If we are talking about the athletes that could it’ll always come down to money and opportunity.

Lastly, if you really want to worry about fumbleball and isolate the real reasons why they are winning the battle overall (fyi it’s not because of their history or that it is a better game) it’s this attitude here. Firstly, why do the Tigers need a NRL licence in order to invest in junior football? Secondly, how much more money do they need in order to invest - aren’t we putting them in the competition because they have heaps of money? Thirdly, isn’t this the role of the ARLC and not individual clubs?

 

[Colk]

Yeh but if their crowds go down to 15k once they aren’t as sucesful the afl needs to put in an extra ten million per club to keep them alive

Their crowds have never gone down to 15k. I’m not saying that figure is impossible but I would suggest that it is unlikely considering it is about 50% less than what they have ever achieved.

Secondly, I think the fumblers could afford it even if they did. An extra $10 million is pretty inconsequential when you are earning as much as they are.

We’re in a period of coexistence mate. League and fumbleball are pretty much at a point that their comps are so big that clubs aren’t going to fail (at least those in Australia and New Zealand)

 

[Colk]

You don't have a clue if you think the Swans in Sydney are comparable with Storm in Melbourne. Go look at the amount of fumbleball clubs in NSW compared with rugby league clubs in Victoria.

They have had roughly a twenty year headstart on the Storm. They have also given a s*** about their investment by having them shown live and direct to pretty much every household.

Again mate the difference is in attitude. They didn’t make their revenue difference or have their growth in rugby league areas by just concentrating on Melbourne. They did it because they are much more proactive than us and they take a long term view whilst we don’t because we think it is all too hard.

 

[Colk]

He's not wrong about AwFuL investing money in SEQ. The statistics back him up, too. AwFuL have grown their participation base in SEQ. We don't have the money to counter their expenditure at the grassroots level and the News Ltd controlled Broncos only care about themselves.

What an absolute defeatist attitude. I guess all those sports who don’t have the same money as fumbleball in this country (which is every other sport in this country by the way) should just pack up their tools and go oh well we can’t invest in junior sport anymore because fumbleball have too much money.

Let them spend their money finding skinny rakes who can’t catch a ball. That’s their prerogative. I would simply use their example of what can be achieved (you know take a long term view and try and grow your sport).

We are also not exactly poor ourselves so we really don’t have any excuse not to invest in junior participation across the country; even if it is not at their levels.

 

[Iamback]

He is full of it and he was trying to build support for a third Brisbane side. I don’t blame him for trying to use this argument but it is a ridiculous one. It also shows the game as completely paranoid and not particularly confident about itself

It isn't entirely wrong. New schools are being built with AFL posts instead of RL/RU posts and a huge chunk moving up there is from the AFL states.

So he has a point there, Still that area of Brisbane is islanders. Like Western Sydney the locals won't start going to AFL games, as long as those kids moving up get wowed by Origin then the sport is fine

 

[Wb1234]

Their crowds have never gone down to 15k. I’m not saying that figure is impossible but I would suggest that it is unlikely considering it is about 50% less than what they have ever achieved.

Secondly, I think the fumblers could afford it even if they did. An extra $10 million is pretty inconsequential when you are earning as much as they are.

We’re in a period of coexistence mate. League and fumbleball are pretty much at a point that their comps are so big that clubs aren’t going to fail (at least those in Australia and New Zealand)

Ten million x 3
Tasmania will cost loads too

then Canberra Newcastle cairns or New Zealand will cost a fortune

 

[Maximus]

Wait, we don't have enough money to spend on grassroots, but we have enough to give huge increases in the salary cap?
We don't have enough money to spend on grassroots, but we have enough to prop up a team in a foreign country that won't be able to generate any revenue.
We don't have enough money to spend on grassroots, but we have enough for dumb ideas like giving every team a million to poach nuffies from other sports.
We don't have enough money to spend on grassroots, but the same people saying that were also saying a few days that our tv deal was better than afls.