18th club, whose next?

[Colk]

And that’s why they are vulnerable now

dolphins are going to squeeze the life out of afl in qld

beisbane tigers would be a disaster for afl

The last thing Lions and AwFuL want is the Brisbane Tigers getting an NRL licence. If the club merges with the Jets then it really f**ks up the Lions' footprint in Ipswich, Logan and southeast Brisbane.

Keep telling yourself this guys.

It’s not like people going to Lions games atm don’t know what they are watching or are being forced to watch it.

 

[LimeRick]

It is because they need to expand yet have very few markets to do so. RL has no issue there is atleast 5 markets that could be team 18 and would work

But the AFL doesn't need to expand.

They'll only expand to 20 to even up the numbers. That's the same as the Premier League in a country twice as populated.

There's only so many timeslots.

Same as NRL. There's more timeslots due to shorter games, but eventually expansions are going to have diminishing returns.

Unless we can force some Sydney relocations, some spots will have to miss out.

 

[Wb1234]

That’s brilliant but that’s not answering why they don’t have an A-League or a fumbleball side. In fact that’s a complete avoidance of the question by issuing a red herring - I didn’t ask you to justify the existence of a League side in Townsville.

If Townsville was a big market then they would have an A-League or fumbleball side as that’s the logical conclusion of your own argument. Realistically (to answer your question) Canberra and Townsville have small populations and probably couldn’t sustain both a fumbleball and a league side. Canberra is also getting an A-League side which is another thing you have avoided.

In any case it’s all a ridiculous argument btw because whether or not an area has a A-League side (you and I remember the North Qld Fury failure as well) or a fumbleball side doesn’t ipso facto mean that it can’t sustain a Rugby League side; as evidenced by Canberra and Townsville who have financially sustained themselves.

Whilst there might be some crossover between supporters of different codes there is also people who will follow one sport to the exclusion of others.

But Geelong is a massive market

the population of regional nsw and qld exceeds the population of wa and sa

 

[Wb1234]

Keep telling yourself this guys.

It’s not like people going to Lions games atm don’t know what they are watching or are being forced to watch it.

Just like the Perth glory and force didn’t keep their crowds in an afl market so will Brisbane be the same for afl

already the reds and roars crowds are down over 70 percent

with the popularity of the dolphins the writing is on the wall for afl in qld

 

[Maximus]

Keep telling yourself this guys.

It’s not like people going to Lions games atm don’t know what they are watching or are being forced to watch it.

No, they watch the Lions because their specific suburb doesn't have a team representing them. Because you know, Brisbane fans are so passionate about the NRL that they will only support a team if it's located in their suburb, and if there isn't one, they become afl fans.

 

[Maximus]

Just like the Perth glory and force didn’t keep their crowds in an afl market so will Brisbane be the same for afl

already the reds and roars crowds are down over 70 percent

with the popularity of the dolphins the writing is on the wall for afl in qld

You mean like the Swans crowds are down with their 33k average, and only going under 30k 4 times in the last 20 years (outside of covid years)?

 

[Colk]

Just like the Perth glory and force didn’t keep their crowds in an afl market so will Brisbane be the same for afl

already the reds and roars crowds are down over 70 percent

with the popularity of the dolphins the writing is on the wall for afl in qld

The problem with your general argument is you are comparing A-League and Rugby Union with Rugby League/fumbleball. They are nowhere near as popular.

A-League and fumbleball’s crowds have dropped pretty much across the board no matter where they have been located. A-League’s problem is that they expanded way too quickly and the initial kick that they had didn’t translate to sustainable growth and audience. They also have to face a poor quality conpetition compared to overseas leagues. Rugby Union’s peak was about twenty odd years ago. They are irrelevant.

Both their problems are seperate to fumbleball and league however much you want to spin it.

In essence there is no evidence of any side being killed off by their competition, particularly fumbleball vs league.

 

[Colk]

You mean like the Swans crowds are down with their 33k average, and only going under 30k 4 times in the last 20 years (outside of covid years)?

No, they watch the Lions because their specific suburb doesn't have a team representing them. Because you know, Brisbane fans are so passionate about the NRL that they will only support a team if it's located in their suburb, and if there isn't one, they become afl fans.

No but a third team in Brisbane will do what league couldn’t do to the Swans or what fumbleball couldn’t do the Storm.

 

[Wb1234]

The problem with your general argument is you are comparing A-League and Rugby Union with Rugby League/fumbleball. They are nowhere near as popular.

A-League and fumbleball’s crowds have dropped pretty much across the board no matter where they have been located. A-League’s problem is that they expanded way too quickly and the initial kick that they had didn’t translate to sustainable growth and audience. They also have to face a poor quality conpetition compared to overseas leagues. Rugby Union’s peak was about twenty odd years ago. They are irrelevant.

Both their problems are seperate to fumbleball and league however much you want to spin it.

In essence there is no evidence of any side being killed off by their competition, particularly fumbleball vs league.

Afl has expanded into places that have little to no interest in it

 

[Iamback]

But the AFL doesn't need to expand.

They'll only expand to 20 to even up the numbers. That's the same as the Premier League in a country twice as populated.

There's only so many timeslots.

Same as NRL. There's more timeslots due to shorter games, but eventually expansions are going to have diminishing returns.

Unless we can force some Sydney relocations, some spots will have to miss out.

Every sport needs to expand or it goes backwards. The worst run competition in the country is expanding

Not exactly if you look at the 5 areas

NZ
Perth bring another timezone

Brisbane is an hour behind for a month into the season

Still have Sunday night ( my preference )
Monday night too

 

[Iamback]

No but a third team in Brisbane will do what league couldn’t do to the Swans or what fumbleball couldn’t do the Storm.

Shane Richardson is one whole believes a threat in QLD. I think he is full of it but it extends more then just some randoms on the internet thinking it is the case

 

[LimeRick]

Every sport needs to expand or it goes backwards. The worst run competition in the country is expanding

Who are you referring to as the worst-run competition? The A-League?

They've had the opposite problem. They only have 12 teams and are probably too small.

NZ
Perth bring another timezone

Brisbane is an hour behind for a month into the season

Still have Sunday night ( my preference )
Monday night too

Yeah, that's pretty much it. I expect both the AFL and NRL to top out at 20 teams.

Beyond that you have to start bringing in conferences and other trophies like American leagues as premierships become even more infrequent.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

That’s brilliant but that’s not answering why they don’t have an A-League or a fumbleball side. In fact that’s a complete avoidance of the question by issuing a red herring - I didn’t ask you to justify the existence of a League side in Townsville.

If Townsville was a big market then they would have an A-League or fumbleball side as that’s the logical conclusion of your own argument. Realistically (to answer your question) Canberra and Townsville have small populations and probably couldn’t sustain both a fumbleball and a league side. Canberra is also getting an A-League side which is another thing you have avoided.

In any case it’s all a ridiculous argument btw because whether or not an area has a A-League side (you and I remember the North Qld Fury failure as well) or a fumbleball side doesn’t ipso facto mean that it can’t sustain a Rugby League side; as evidenced by Canberra and Townsville who have financially sustained themselves.

Whilst there might be some crossover between supporters of different codes there is also people who will follow one sport to the exclusion of others.

Rugby league is the main sport in Townsville. Based on what I've heard on this board it's not the main sport in Canberra.

Why do you think the Cowboys generate more from football operations than the Raiders?

Keep telling yourself this guys.

It’s not like people going to Lions games atm don’t know what they are watching or are being forced to watch it.

It's not about stealing current fans away from the Lions. It's about preventing fumbleball from stealing future rugby league fans and players from rugby league in Brisbane. A third team makes it harder for the Lions to generate revenue from football operations.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Shane Richardson is one whole believes a threat in QLD. I think he is full of it but it extends more then just some randoms on the internet thinking it is the case

Shane Richardson is talking about AwFuL investing money in the game at the grassroots level across Queensland. They spend a fortune on running school clinics and school competitions.

The competition has again reached new heights in 2023, with a record 693 teams and almost 16,000 students across Queensland participating in games since March this year.

2023 StreetSmarts AFLQ Schools Cup State Finals | AFL Queensland

www.aflq.com.au

In 2017 they had 173,771 school children participate in introductory programs.



The last thing we can afford is to do is ignore the groundwork fumbleball is putting into southern Brisbane, Ipswich and Logan.

Some of the fastest growing Auskick areas in Queensland are the western corridor, specifically the Ipswich region, which has experienced 45 per cent growth since 2022. The Gold Coast has also enjoyed a 37 per cent increase.

AFL Queensland announces participation record for 2023 | AFL Queensland

www.aflq.com.au

This is why Shane Richardson says we need a team in southern Brisbane focusing on Ipswich and Logan.

 

[mongoose]

so because AFL invest millions into grassroots and have well organised school programs, all the NRL has to do is plonk another team into the region to stop them, seems a little simplistic.

 

[jim_57]

Every sport needs to expand or it goes backwards. The worst run competition in the country is expanding

Not exactly if you look at the 5 areas

NZ
Perth bring another timezone

Brisbane is an hour behind for a month into the season

Still have Sunday night ( my preference )
Monday night too

Ideally team 18 will guarantee 3 games each for Saturday & Sunday on a full round.

If/when team 20 comes it will probably be Monday night for the 10th game. Perth and NZ teams provide some flexibility either side of the regular Saturday-Sunday timeslots so could do some Saturdays or Sundays with 4 games.

Saturday (AEST)
*1pm - NZ only, 3pm local.
3pm
5:30pm
7:30pm
*9:30pm - WA only 7:30pm local.

Sunday (AEST)
*12pm - NZ only, 2pm local.
2pm
4pm
6pm
*8pm - WA only, 6pm local.

 

[Wb1234]

Ideally team 18 will guarantee 3 games each for Saturday & Sunday on a full round.

If/when team 20 comes it will probably be Monday night for the 10th game. Perth and NZ teams provide some flexibility either side of the regular Saturday-Sunday timeslots so could do some Saturdays or Sundays with 4 games.

Saturday (AEST)
*1pm - NZ only, 3pm local.
3pm
5:30pm
7:30pm
*9:30pm - WA only 7:30pm local.

Sunday (AEST)
*12pm - NZ only, 2pm local.
2pm
4pm
6pm
*8pm - WA only, 6pm local.

Foxtel wet dream

or Monday night football which is their dream slot

because fumble games go for 3 hours they can’t offer so many exclusive time slots

overlapping games has lower value for foxtel

 

[Wb1234]

so because AFL invest millions into grassroots and have well organised school programs, all the NRL has to do is plonk another team into the region to stop them, seems a little simplistic.

Yep auskick is an excellent way to judge how popular a sport is in Australia

the same auskick who claimed a certain Nathan Cleary as a junior

said player and his dad were surprised when they found this out

heck even the afl believe their own Auskick numbers :

AFL boss Gillon McLachlan's incredible claim about Queensland

Outgoing CEO Gillon McLachlan has boldly declared Queensland is an 'AFL state' and will soon be the premier footy code. He pointed to the Gold Coast as a significant growth area for the sport.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Iamback]

Ideally team 18 will guarantee 3 games each for Saturday & Sunday on a full round.

If/when team 20 comes it will probably be Monday night for the 10th game. Perth and NZ teams provide some flexibility either side of the regular Saturday-Sunday timeslots so could do some Saturdays or Sundays with 4 games.

Saturday (AEST)
*1pm - NZ only, 3pm local.
3pm
5:30pm
7:30pm
*9:30pm - WA only 7:30pm local.

Sunday (AEST)
*12pm - NZ only, 2pm local.
2pm
4pm
6pm
*8pm - WA only, 6pm local.

Maybe push Sunday to 6.30 to limit crossover but that would be my option

 

[Colk]

Rugby league is the main sport in Townsville..based on what I've heard on this board it's not the main sport in Canberra.

Why do you think the Cowboys generate more from football operations than the Raiders?



It's not about stealing current fans away from the Lions. It's about preventing fumbleball from stealing future rugby league fans and players from rugby league in Brisbane. A third team makes it harder for the Lions to generate revenue from football operations.

1. I don’t particularly care. You can whinge about it as much as you want but they are both profitable clubs and no club at this stage is going to be kicked out of the competition. If the situation changes then your point might be relevant but until then it isn’t.
2. You keep talking about how popular rugby league is in Brisbane but for some reason we have to have three clubs in Brisbane to somehow prevent that is not that popular. Do you understand the cognitive dissonance of this argument?