18th club, whose next?

[Colk]

Wait, we don't have enough money to spend on grassroots, but we have enough to give huge increases in the salary cap?
We don't have enough money to spend on grassroots, but we have enough to prop up a team in a foreign country that won't be able to generate any revenue.
We don't have enough money to spend on grassroots, but we have enough for dumb ideas like giving every team a million to poach nuffies from other sports.
We don't have enough money to spend on grassroots, but the same people saying that were also saying a few days that our tv deal was better than afls.

This x 1,000.

You forgot one though, the only way to counter fumbleball is to put them in places where we already have sides even though having sides in those areas hasn’t stopped them from growing thus far.

How about for once we aren’t preoccupied with fumbleball and start making decisions to actually grow and improve our sport

 

[Colk]

Ten million x 3
Tasmania will cost loads too

then Canberra Newcastle cairns or New Zealand will cost a fortune

Why would it be ten million x 3? In any case, you do realise how much money they have yeah?

They would be incredibly stupid to either go to Cairns or Newcastle so I hope they do. Canberra or New Zealand would probably be a little better but still hard.

I don’t personally think they have a lot of options remaining on the table. You could look at that two ways though: they have already done the hard work and don’t need to do much more or conversely they are not going to grow much further.

 

[Iamback]

This x 1,000.

You forgot one though, the only way to counter fumbleball is to put them in places where we already have sides even though having sides in those areas hasn’t stopped them from growing thus far.

How about for once we aren’t preoccupied with fumbleball and start making decisions to actually grow and improve our sport

Aside from Perth every where mentioned is RL area. No new club will get any extra money which is how it should be, RL is expanding the right way... it took long enough to do so

SL set the game back atleast 20 years which people seem to forget when making the Apples v Oranges comparison between the 2 sports

 

[Maximus]

This x 1,000.

You forgot one though, the only way to counter fumbleball is to put them in places where we already have sides even though having sides in those areas hasn’t stopped them from growing thus far.

I actually forgot the biggest one.

We don't have enough to spend on grassroots despite the claim that they also have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars propping up the 4 teams that are just about to die the moment a new side gets entered.

How about for once we aren’t preoccupied with fumbleball and start making decisions to actually grow and improve our sport

Difficulty: Impossible.

 

[Colk]

Aside from Perth every where mentioned is RL area. No new club will get any extra money which is how it should be, RL is expanding the right way... it took long enough to do so

SL set the game back atleast 20 years which people seem to forget when making the Apples v Oranges comparison between the 2 sports

I wouldn’t necessarily consider the south island of NZ as a rugby league area but that’s another one we should definitely be going to.

100% agree on the Super League comment. The worst thing that has happened with Super League is not the fact that it set back the game 20 years it has actually affected how people think of the game and what it can do.

 

[Colk]

I actually forgot the biggest one.

We don't have enough to spend on grassroots despite the claim that they also have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars propping up the 4 teams that are just about to die the moment a new side gets entered.



Difficulty: Impossible.

They are going to die any minute mate you know despite the fact that they are about to enter a phase where their revenue is going to go up by a couple hundred million

People are yet to realise that they have their audience and we have ours. There is likely crossover from people who watch both or jump on one when they are winning but people’s decisions aren’t going to be based on what another sport does.

 

[Iamback]

I wouldn’t necessarily consider the south island of NZ as a rugby league area but that’s another one we should definitely be going to.

100% agree on the Super League comment. The worst thing that has happened with Super League is not the fact that it set back the game 20 years it has actually affected how people think of the game and what it can do.

They are more RL than AFL, My point is it is new money into game not taking from elsewhere.

I'd rather be in RL's spot than AFL if we are comparing the 2. Pushing East may have minimal impact on TV $. Though it will have huge benefits when selling the game to sponsors.

Fiji Airlines is a perfect example. Now if that can the Fiji Flegg side can flow into an NRL side over NZ/Pacific along with PNG. You suddenly have a much bigger footprint. Then just sticking to the mainland.

Particularly if the Vegas Double header brings in a new event sponsor that is new money

 

[Iamback]

They are going to die any minute mate you know despite the fact that they are about to enter a phase where their revenue is going to go up by a couple hundred million

People are yet to realise that they have their audience and we have ours. There is likely crossover from people who watch both or jump on one when they are winning but people’s decisions aren’t going to be based on what another sport does.

Another 30k members in Brisbane for the game is always good. Harder to spin for them and they up their $ which means they drop off elsewhere which slows the growth.

You will never kill off AFL and RU but you can sure make them go backwards

 

[Wb1234]

Why would it be ten million x 3? In any case, you do realise how much money they have yeah?

They would be incredibly stupid to either go to Cairns or Newcastle so I hope they do. Canberra or New Zealand would probably be a little better but still hard.

I don’t personally think they have a lot of options remaining on the table. You could look at that two ways though: they have already done the hard work and don’t need to do much more or conversely they are not going to grow much further.

Their whole philosophy has been based on having more teams than the nrl to drive their tv deal higher than ours

nrl is going to 20 teams

on top of Tasmania they are looking at place like Northern Territory which loses 16 million pa

 

[Maximus]

They are going to die any minute mate you know despite the fact that they are about to enter a phase where their revenue is going to go up by a couple hundred million

People are yet to realise that they have their audience and we have ours. There is likely crossover from people who watch both or jump on one when they are winning but people’s decisions aren’t going to be based on what another sport does.

Those same people also seem to think that if we kill of other people's favourite sport, they'll have no choice but to come and support an NRL team, so therefore we should try to kill off every other sport in Australia.

Or that if we don't kill off every other sport, future fans might become afl fans instead because apparently afl is much easier to enjoy than NRL (this is the true fans by the way, unlike us afl/union trolls).

This whole idea that codes need to kill each other off is so petty and why none of our sports will ever truly grow. Look at baseball, football, hockey and basketball in the US. Do they try to kill each other off when other sports move into cities that they previously weren't in? No. There is a lot of players who were drafted by MLB sides and ended up choosing to play NFL instead. Did MLB try to kill off NFL? No.

 

[Colk]

Their whole philosophy has been based on having more teams than the nrl to drive their tv deal higher than ours

nrl is going to 20 teams

on top of Tasmania they are looking at place like Northern Territory which loses 16 million pa

They aren’t just making more money off TV. Have a look at their crowds, sponsors and memberships.

I agree that they don’t have aa much options as we have. Hopefully we use these options for once.

 

[Colk]

Those same people also seem to think that if we kill of other people's favourite sport, they'll have no choice but to come and support an NRL team, so therefore we should try to kill off every other sport in Australia.

Or that if we don't kill off every other sport, future fans might become afl fans instead because apparently afl is much easier to enjoy than NRL (this is the true fans by the way, unlike us afl/union trolls).

This whole idea that codes need to kill each other off is so petty and why none of our sports will ever truly grow. Look at baseball, football, hockey and basketball in the US. Do they try to kill each other off when other sports move into cities that they previously weren't in? No. There is a lot of players who were drafted by MLB sides and ended up choosing to play NFL instead. Did MLB try to kill off NFL? No.

You are right in that sense.

It doesn’t really do a lot for your product anyway. An analogy would be somebody not liking death metal for example and thinking that if I just make other people listen to say only pop music that those people won’t like death metal anymore. It’s naive really.

The only way to grow your product is to make your product more attractive

 

[Iamback]

Those same people also seem to think that if we kill of other people's favourite sport, they'll have no choice but to come and support an NRL team, so therefore we should try to kill off every other sport in Australia.

Or that if we don't kill off every other sport, future fans might become afl fans instead because apparently afl is much easier to enjoy than NRL (this is the true fans by the way, unlike us afl/union trolls).

This whole idea that codes need to kill each other off is so petty and why none of our sports will ever truly grow. Look at baseball, football, hockey and basketball in the US. Do they try to kill each other off when other sports move into cities that they previously weren't in? No. There is a lot of players who were drafted by MLB sides and ended up choosing to play NFL instead. Did MLB try to kill off NFL? No.

Another Apples v Oranges comparison

In US the owners put self interests over the sports.

Often they are the only ticket in town

Or in cases where there are multiple the owner has a link to the other sports.

The LA Kings owner. Not only has a stake in their home venue but also in the Lakers... So it is in his interest for both to co-exist.

Same too with both NY teams.

RU and RL don't play nice across Europe because they are fighting for the same people.

Same too here with 26 million. Split into half for the 2 major codes. NRL has ambition for the South Pacific.

AFL NSW/QLD so they both try to target the same casual fans

 

[Iamback]

You are right in that sense.

It doesn’t really do a lot for your product anyway. An analogy would be somebody not liking death metal for example and thinking that if I just make other people listen to say only pop music that those people won’t like death metal anymore. It’s naive really.

The only way to grow your product is to make your product more attractive

Look at Brisbane as a perfect example.

The Lions have what 50k fans?

Dolphins and Broncos 80k combined... in a city of 2.5m they are fighting to convert the rest.

That is what the spend is for. Gets those not with a preference.

 

[Colk]

Another 30k members in Brisbane for the game is always good. Harder to spin for them and they up their $ which means they drop off elsewhere which slows the growth.

You will never kill off AFL and RU but you can sure make them go backwards

That’s your argument right there for another Brisbane side. It won’t make any difference to any other sport (people like those other sports for whatever reason they do). People who have never liked league are not going to suddenly follow league because there is a third side there (not likely to anyway)

 

[Colk]

Look at Brisbane as a perfect example.

The Lions have what 50k fans?

Dolphins and Broncos 80k combined... in a city of 2.5m they are fighting to convert the rest.

That is what the spend is for. Gets those not with a preference.

Mate the preference of those people is going to be on whomever is winning at that time.

There is not likely going to be this wave of people in Brisbane not following the two sides there now who then all of a sudden follow the third one. Even more so when the second one has just started.

 

[Iamback]

That’s your argument right there for another Brisbane side. It won’t make any difference to any other sport (people like those other sports for whatever reason they do). People who have never liked league are not going to suddenly follow league because there is a third side there (not likely to anyway)

You assume those people like League only to start with though.

How many kids for example could be swayed because insert AFL player came to their school and gave them a ball?

That is what AFL is banking on.

IF NRL went there it would be to shore up that area and bring some juniors into the game to assist Perth and other areas that will struggle in that regard.

AFL would fight back and waste more money which would help League in the long term

 

[Iamback]

Mate the preference of those people is going to be on whomever is winning at that time.

There is not likely going to be this wave of people in Brisbane not following the two sides there now who then all of a sudden follow the third one. Even more so when the second one has just started.

AFL has things like salary cap relief to ensure Swans and Lions stay successful. So you never see them struggle hence they stay semi relevant in those markets

 

[Wb1234]

They aren’t just making more money off TV. Have a look at their crowds, sponsors and memberships.

I agree that they don’t have aa much options as we have. Hopefully we use these options for once.

None of the new clubs will get over 20k

those are the ones they have to fund

even an nrl club In Perth won’t be as much as a dud as any place afl can go other than Perth.

nz2 is going to add a lot to the nrl

this is where the nrl expanding to New Zealand is going to pay off and afls geographic insularity won’t

 

[Wb1234]

AFL has things like salary cap relief to ensure Swans and Lions stay successful. So you never see them struggle hence they stay semi relevant in those markets

Tbf not much these days

they originally had a very generous living away from home allowance which allowed them to spend ten percent more on the salary cap but not anymore

they get things like priority draft picks but no matter what they have done the suns for example are a perpetual basketcase