18th club, whose next?

[Canard]

How are they not?

You don't think QLDers especially want to check out how Smith and Slater and now Munster are going.

What's that got to do with on field results?

 

[Iamback]

You've changed topics here.

Yes an extra game is worth more to Australian TV, but we were discussing PNG TV. Of course this applies to any bid though.

It's highly doubtful that PNG will be any type of ratings winner in OZ, though.

No PNG TV is seperate.

That is what NRL sponsors can get for their product. That matters to whether it stays viable

My argument is a 9th game brings in money full stop and TV doesn't care too much.

 

[Canard]

No PNG TV is seperate.

That is what NRL sponsors can get for their product. That matters to whether it stays viable

My argument is a 9th game brings in money full stop and TV doesn't care too much.

But nothing makes PNG unique in this regard, and if anything they are way behind a AU or NZ team in terms of long term ratings and advertising potential.

 

[Perth Red]

Again tv would likely have brisbane 3and 4 and bears in sydney and god knows what other two state teams if they had their way. Its cheap, its comfortable and it rates a bit better. But given they paid little for brisbane2 and that the game needs to cut the decision making apron strings of tv its time the game did whats best for the game not whats best for tv.
Could you image the AFL caring what fox and Ch7 thought about Suns, GWS or Tassie? They brought those tv unfriendly clubs in regardless, then landed a monster tv deal. All the evidence we need that the game should do what meets its strategic 25 year goals, not what tv wants for a few thousand more viewers.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Well if you look at the nations two most popular sports, their footprint and the tv value (not to mention sponsorship revenue and govt influence))

one has 15 of 17 teams across every metro market and a tv deal in region of $570mill pending, overall revenue $944mill in 2022
and one has 12 of 17 teams in 3/5 metro markets and a tv deal of $400mill, and overall revenue of $600mill in 2022

Hmmmm whats that about no evidence of metro value?

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

Learn it.

AwFuL has four times as many club members and twice as many people attending its games. That certainly plays a part in companies paying more to sponsor AwFuL clubs.

Most importantly, there's no class divide in fumbleball.

Rugby league is predominantly a working class man's game.

Look at the f**ken advertising on Ch9 and Fox League to see my point.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The more viewers they get the more valuable NRl becomes and the more they have to pay each deal. This is News Ltd we are talkign about, one of the scummiest businesses out there.

NRL has drawn superior ratings to AwFuL on Foxtel for well over a decade, yet AwFuL has gotten more money than us at every broadcast deal that's been finalised.

Another bullshit Perth Red claim debunked.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Storm will be top table clash. Says a lot about dolphins already getting that exposure

That's the selling point of Brisbane 2 and Brisbane 3. Clubs won't need to be winning every week to draw strong TV ratings.

Teams in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth will rely on sustained on field success to make ends meet. If they go on a losing run they'll end up losing money like the Lions a decade ago.

 

[Perth Red]

Correlation doesn't imply causation.

Learn it.

AwFuL has four times as many club members and twice as many people attending its games. That certainly plays a part in companies paying more to sponsor AwFuL clubs.

Most importantly, there's no class divide in fumbleball.

Rugby league is predominantly a working class man's game.

Look at the f**ken advertising on Ch9 and Fox League to see my point.

Nor does it discount it! You asked for any evidence. That is evidence. Is it 100% cause? Of course not. Is it a variable, very likely.

and NRl has more people by far watching on tv, why would you sponsor a club more for less people to be seeing your product? we know 90% of media advertising is spent in metro markets despite only 65% of population living there. Hmmmm.
And I didnt give figures at club level, only at HQ level.

Is there such a thing as working class anymore? Id say its a very different class divide compared to 50 years ago. Tradies in perth earn more than professionals!

Its not as if rolex and land rover are sponsoring AFL lol

18th club, whose next?

How are they not? You don't think QLDers especially want to check out how Smith and Slater and now Munster are going. What's that got to do with on field results?

forums.leagueunlimited.com

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Nor does it discount it! You asked for any evidence. That is evidence. Is it 100% cause? Of course not. Is it a variable, very likely.

and NRl has more people by far watching on tv, why would you sponsor a club more for less people to be seeing your product? we know 90% of media advertising is spent in metro markets despite only 65% of population living there. Hmmmm.
And I didnt give figures at club level, only at HQ level.

Is there such a thing as working class anymore? Id say its a very different class divide compared to 50 years ago. Tradies in perth earn more than professionals!

Its not as if rolex and land rover are sponsoring AFL lol

18th club, whose next?

How are they not? You don't think QLDers especially want to check out how Smith and Slater and now Munster are going. What's that got to do with on field results?

forums.leagueunlimited.com

It isn't evidence. It's just an irrelevant correlation that you're implying is the cause of the discrepant monetary value of the AwFuL and NRL broadcast rights.

Here's a fact for your brain cell to fathom.

Gold Coast Suns drew lower ratings in Brisbane than non-Queensland AwFuL clubs in 2023.

There's no guarantee that adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will lead to more people watching the game. The cost of adding and sustaining these teams would probably be greater than the monetary value they provide to the broadcasters and NRL.

 

[Colk]

.. raiders fans definitely got no sense of humour then..

No, I have a sense of humour ( I can’t speak for other Raiders fans). I just didn’t find it funny.

 

[Perth Red]

It isn't evidence. It's just an irrelevant correlation that you're implying is the cause of the discrepant monetary value of the AwFuL and NRL broadcast rights.

Here's a fact for your brain cell to fathom.

Gold Coast Suns drew lower ratings in Brisbane than non-Queensland AwFuL clubs in 2023.

There's no guarantee that adding teams to Adelaide and Perth will lead to more people watching the game. The cost of adding and sustaining these teams would probably be greater than the monetary value they provide to the broadcasters and NRL.

you have no way of proving that. If either the NRL closes the gap with no further metro reach (highly unlikely) or afl abandons its metro strategy and doesnt lose revenue (again highly unlikely) then youd have some evidence for your argument. But we dont so we can only consider it as a major potential variable between the two codes and their respective revenue raising abilities. Theres about to be a $170million a year Australian tv value gap between the codes. Youd have to be pretty stupid to think metro reach isnt some factor.

theres no guarantees in life, and tbh I care about RL and how its travelling not how Ch9 or Foxsports audiences are doing. We already dominate the tv audience charts yet havent got the the value in that. Adding a few thousand more does not necessarily equate to more revenue, as we have just seen with Brisabne2. 47% Brisbane content increase, no $ value from FTA.

FTA obviously doesnt care that much about SEQ other than metro given how little they screen the Titans. Lets hope Dolphins dont dive like Titans did.

 

[Colk]

What evidence do you have that the Storm TV ratings are related to their on field success?

That’s a bit of a silly question mate. It would be no doubt helped by their success.

 

[Colk]

NRL has drawn superior ratings to AwFuL on Foxtel for well over a decade, yet AwFuL has gotten more money than us at every broadcast deal that's been finalised.

Another bullshit Perth Red claim debunked.

You are agreeing with him here.

 

[Bukowski]

You are agreeing with him here.

f**k he's stupid. But entertaining

 

[Perth Red]

You are agreeing with him here.

hes too dumb too realise it lol.

If it was just about audience size NRL would have dominated the last 3 tv deals, we've come a miserable second each one with the revenue gap widening each time despite the audience gap increasing each time in NRLs favour!

Another 20k fans watching in Brisbane wont make much, if any, difference to value.

a ninth stand alone game and competion for rights is where the value lies. Time for the NRL to do whats best for rugby league, not News ltd or Nine entertainment for a change.

 

[Colk]

Pretty much everything you say about a national footprint and broadcast rights is just your opinion.

Everything you say is also an opinion.

 

[Colk]

Name one streaming service that's willing to cover production costs and pay $250m per annum?

Ch10/Paramount and Ch9/STAN might bid for the lot, but I'll be surprised if they can match what Foxtel provide. Ch9 might be happy to saddle up with Foxtel.

You just mentioned a couple right there.

 

[Iamback]

But nothing makes PNG unique in this regard, and if anything they are way behind a AU or NZ team in terms of long term ratings and advertising potential.

You think more people in Perth will watch the Perth games than PNG will watch their side?

That is why they are being talked up as an option from the NRL, Otherwise they'd be no chance

 

[Pippen94]

simple is as simple types.
Im sure they know exactly what they are doing. Its hardly like they are doing an amazing job promoting the game is it? NRL360 spends every night running the game down! It isnt Murdochs favourite remember?

Im sure Fox is very happu only paying what its paying and keeping numbers costs where they are at. The more viewers they get the more valuable NRl becomes and the more they have to pay each deal. This is News Ltd we are talkign about, one of the scummiest businesses out there.

Sure thing

 

[Pippen94]

PNG, Brisbane easts & now south island will all have bids. Meanwhile, Perth will only produce another business case & hope it's looked at unlike the previous one..