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18th club, whose next?

Wb1234

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I totally agree!

They'd return to massive fanfare only for their crowds to tank below 10k after the first season at which point they'd effectively be insolvent and on the edge of folding again.

The major difference between Souths and Norths is that there isn't an A-list actor with more money than sense and powerful friends coming to take Norths by the scruff of the neck and drag them into the 21st century. Yeah I think I'll pass, especially when Norths intend to salt the earth in an expansion market in the process.

One game a year at nso will be sold out every year
 

Red&BlackBear

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90% of younger people pushing for the Bears return are supporters of other teams with no interest in actually supporting the Bears.

The handful of genuine ones couldn't fill the local Macca's let alone NSO or a modern NRL standard stadium, and have shown no history of being a reliable customer base, in fact it's quite the opposite. Most of them are basically hipsters that "support" the Bears because it isn't mainstream and costs them nothing. Once it becomes mainstream it won't be cool anymore and it'd cost them hundreds of dollars annually.
I think you’re a bit off the mark here but sure. 👍
 

Red&BlackBear

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The only hope Bears have is for the NRL to desire a city that has no bid options or potential for one, or massively change their expectations.
At the moment no one wants a bar of them as their non negotiables are not in alignment with what potential city NRL bids are after. So they either accept they cant own the club and have a bit part to play in running it, or they hope that NRl wants a city like Adelaide, or even Christchurch/Wellington if they cant find backers, and asks NS Bears to run a club there. It’s clear that the conversations with Perth and PNG went nowhere because their demands are unrealistic.
I think you are off the mark, you states things are clear but truth is you wouldn’t have a clue about any of the bids finer details, your Pirates included.
 

Perth Red

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I think you are off the mark, you states things are clear but truth is you wouldn’t have a clue about any of the bids finer details, your Pirates included.
Whats we do know is Perth and PNG talked to them and said no thank you. So unless NRL mandates Bears have to be involved, which they wont, then what other options do they have other than change their attitude or find a city NRL wants where there is no other viable option?
 

Centy Coast

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Whats we do know is Perth and PNG talked to them and said no thank you. So unless NRL mandates Bears have to be involved, which they wont, then what other options do they have other than change their attitude or find a city NRL wants where there is no other viable option?
What you don’t know is that they have still been in ongoing negotiations as I was told today from a very reliable source.
Yes Daniel Dickson is still pushing his non negotiables but he has even stated “you have to start high” in regards to games at NSO in which he said today he would like 2-4 games played there.
 

Centy Coast

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Whats we do know is Perth and PNG talked to them and said no thank you. So unless NRL mandates Bears have to be involved, which they wont, then what other options do they have other than change their attitude or find a city NRL wants where there is no other viable option?
PNG is that still a thing ?, I’ve heard that the so called guaranteed Govt funding may now be a big problem.
 

Perth Red

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What you don’t know is that they have still been in ongoing negotiations as I was told today from a very reliable source.
Yes Daniel Dickson is still pushing his non negotiables but he has even stated “you have to start high” in regards to games at NSO in which he said today he would like 2-4 games played there.
Its highly unlikely, PNG has said flat out no and Bears after being turned away by perth then announced the 'Pacifica" Bears idea and Perth started talking to Newtown.

tbh the games are least of it, they wont get more than 1 or 2 at most from anyone. it should be a pre season charity game v Manly at NSO, then a regular season game against Manly during heritage round at Allianz imo. Rest at HBF park. They could negotiate a Sydney season ticket with other clubs so it includes those 2 games plus the Sydney team away games. You could have a 10 game membership then for WC Bears Sydney based fans.

Ownership of the license and the board make up is the biggie. There is no way I'd support a WA club being owned by NS.

WA non negotiables for a Bears partnership should be:
10 or 11 home games in Perth
License owned by WA consortium
Club based FT in Perth
1 board seat for NS CEO or Chairman
Brand must include WA references in colours and name
 

MugaB

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Maybe a three way club partnership? Perth Jets incorporating Ipswich, Newtown and WA. Strong pathways in Qlnd and NSW with growing pathways in WA.
WA branded and owned with Ipswich and Newtown on the board . Incorporates colours to get away from yet another blue and white brand in NRL.

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This sounds a lot like the famous western Porcupines bid
 

MugaB

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Over half of all NRL coaches believe Perth should host the next NRL licence with almost no support for plans to establish a combined Pasifika team in the near future.

The introduction of the NRL's 17th team the Dolphins in Brisbane in 2023proved to be highly successful and now ARLC chair Peter V'landys has now officially stated that plans are underway for 18 or 20 teams before the end of the current TV rights deal in 2027.

Coaches were asked their preferred location for the next expansion side, with half of them choosing Western Australia.
That was well ahead of rival bids from PNG (13 per cent), Pasifika (3 per cent) and a second New Zealand outfit (13 per cent).

It also comes despite the commercial failure of the Western Reds, axed before the 1998 NRL season because of debts accrued partially by having to pay for visiting teams' flights and accommodation over to Perth for matches.

NRL WA chief executive officer John Sackson told The West that the coaches' vote proved Perth bid was 'compelling' and 'irresistible'.

'Clearly Wayne Bennett is one of the most knowledgeable and influential figures in the game and when he and other highly respected coaches and identities favour Perth for an expansion franchise , I would think their opinions are credible and meaningful,' Sackson said.

'Two sold out State-of-Origin games in 2019 and 2022 and 46,000 fans at the Optus Stadium double-header last August reflect the growing interest in the code in WA and with the much publicised support of the WA Government , quality playing venues, undeniable corporate opportunities, an appealing WA lifestyle and a very committed and well connected bid consortium, I am confident that Perth could put forward a very compelling, if not irresistible case for the 18th franchise.


'There is no doubt that having a Perth franchise competing in the elite national premiership would generate tribalism , boost participation, media promotion, investment and talent development pathways for Rugby League in WA when the ARLC calls for expressions of interest.'

Upon entering the competition in 1995, the Western Reds garnered an average crowd of 13,000 at the WACA before transforming into the Perth Reds. Unfortunately, they fell victim to the ARL and Super League wars and ceased operations two years later.

In late 2022, the Western Australian government established a working party to formulate a bid for an NRL franchise.
Bennett has long been a supporter of a Perth side to make the NRL a truly national competition.

'It is a bit hard to have a national competition and Perth is not in it,' he said last year.

'The Dolphins have been a wonderful success for the game. I think Perth would be in the same category.

'There would be a lot of excitement about Perth. You have some of the biggest businesses in the world in Perth. And you have all the things you need to build a club there. Great facilities, great town, great State.

'I was disappointed that decision was made to get rid of the Reds. I thought it was a real opportunity for us. But when they brought the game back together, the Super League and the ARL, that was one they didn't get right. It was a difficult time,' Bennett said.

'I always thought it was the right decision (to bring in a WA team). And I still do.'

Mate this article is bit late brava... why sneak this in the day after PVL and slothfield talked about png and a return of the bears... very sad one eyed pirate hey YARRRR!!!
 

Dragonwest

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Maybe a three way club partnership? Perth Jets incorporating Ipswich, Newtown and WA. Strong pathways in Qlnd and NSW with growing pathways in WA.
WA branded and owned with Ipswich and Newtown on the board . Incorporates colours to get away from yet another blue and white brand in NRL.

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Bringing back the Jets and Newton would be like bring back old school Applecross
 

shewi6

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Its highly unlikely, PNG has said flat out no and Bears after being turned away by perth then announced the 'Pacifica" Bears idea and Perth started talking to Newtown.

tbh the games are least of it, they wont get more than 1 or 2 at most from anyone. it should be a pre season charity game v Manly at NSO, then a regular season game against Manly during heritage round at Allianz imo. Rest at HBF park. They could negotiate a Sydney season ticket with other clubs so it includes those 2 games plus the Sydney team away games. You could have a 10 game membership then for WC Bears Sydney based fans.

Ownership of the license and the board make up is the biggie. There is no way I'd support a WA club being owned by NS.

WA non negotiables for a Bears partnership should be:
10 or 11 home games in Perth
License owned by WA consortium
Club based FT in Perth
1 board seat for NS CEO or Chairman
Brand must include WA references in colours and name
This is 90% of the way perfect but is still too big of a compromise on the perth side for mine.
Realistically if the only way for a perth team to get in is to link up with the bears then it needs to mirror the brisbane lions in that it is the bears club in name and history but for a new market.

Non negotiables should be 12 home games in perth, period.
Everything else you listed I agree with and the heritage round idea against manly would be great (but as a manly home game, the less games at brooky the better) and add that to a 'sydney' membership package that the nrl could guarantee happen every year. You could have a minimum of 3 games at the sfs and possibly 1 at parra, hopefully that would bolster the crowds in sydney like u see for the swans in melbourne.
 

The Great Dane

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I think you’re a bit off the mark here but sure. 👍
That's because like most Bears fans you've totally disconnected from yourself reality.

The club had opportunities to attempt to get back into the NRL 20 years ago but brushed them all out of arrogance, entitlement, and impatience. Now the place has become so vain and narcissistic that the people in charge and the vocal portion of the fanbase don't even realise that the club's totally irrelevant.

What was once a great club has been reduced to little more than a parasitic entity and people like you are responsible for that.
 
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The Great Dane

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This is 90% of the way perfect but is still too big of a compromise on the perth side for mine.
Realistically if the only way for a perth team to get in is to link up with the bears then it needs to mirror the brisbane lions in that it is the bears club in name and history but for a new market.

Non negotiables should be 12 home games in perth, period.
Everything else you listed I agree with and the heritage round idea against manly would be great (but as a manly home game, the less games at brooky the better) and add that to a 'sydney' membership package that the nrl could guarantee happen every year. You could have a minimum of 3 games at the sfs and possibly 1 at parra, hopefully that would bolster the crowds in sydney like u see for the swans in melbourne.
Yep the only way this sort of partnership should be allowed to happen is if it's the Brisbane Lions model, i.e. the Bears, or Jets FTM, IP is given/sold to an independent club in the expansion market.

No ownership, no say in the operation of the club, no insane nonsense like taking games from Perth to play them in the market with the access to the most NRL and RL content in the world, just hand over the brand and records so it can live on in the NRL and move on.

The Bears would never willingly agree to such a deal so it'll never happen.
 

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