18th club, whose next?

[Colk]

I bring up Hull because it exposes Perth Red's hypocrisy. He once said Brisbane should only have 2 teams because it is a "mid-size city". Brisbane has about 1.8m people. Hull only has 260k people, yet he thinks it needs two teams. He ridicules cities in Sydney with a larger population than Hull for having one team.

How can I take him seriously?

The idiot claimed Perth should have a team because its population is almost as big as Brisbane. Comparing a dyed in the wool fumbleball city to the world's second largest rugby league city is just dumb.

He's inconsistent and shifts the goalposts to suit his selfish agenda.

Using Perth Red's logic, Brisbane should have 20 teams because it is 10 times bigger than Hull.

Here is the thing that makes me lose all respect for Perth Red. After years of saying Sydney clubs need to generate more revenue from football operations to be more like the Broncos, he's completely dismissed this metric because it supports Brisbane Tigers getting the 18th licence. The club has the resources needed to compete with Broncos and are projected to be one of the four richest rugby league clubs in the world. But apparently we're supposed to ignore this strength and dismiss the Tigers because Perth doesn't have a team.

Have a cup of tea and sit down

 

[Colk]

Cowboys have played games in this slot.

So have most clubs

 

[Wb1234]

Vlandys isn’t

Otherwise known as the Brisbane Broncos setup.

Gould basically mirrored what Brisbane were doing, he's even said so.

Missed a lot of good juniors and future immortals

 

[Wb1234]

Vlandys isn’t

Fûck you vlad, your a an alt, bring back Pippen94 ffs

vibing or pneumonia

 

[Colk]

It’s the most watched sport on the planet. Underestimate it at your peril.

Yeah but it’s the A-League, on the balance of probability it is always going to be small or niche. Just like the NBL or an Australian baseball league or an Australian gridiron or an ice hockey league etc. Bigger and better overseas competitions are always going to draw support away from the domestic competition.

It is what it is.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeah they probably cant do both until one is really self sustainable with how they implement their feeder or junior arrangements, but the reds weren't bad with their junior set up, they were just broke at a time where there wasn't a professional set up like the NRL currently have now, where they'd be looked after, or travel costs weren't a factor towards the club owning it...
Melbourne 2 as heart/city is laughable, our product shits all over soccer, and union, bring up them aswell as force or glory in any of your current or past arguments is folly, league is king, its flawed but its still the best sporting product in Australia, it might not be the best run program on gameday compared to AFL, but its certainly a better viewing sport event especially on TV, which is yhe only thing that matters considering its the broadcasters who foot the bill, the rest is menial

You and I think rugby league is king, but the average Victorian doesn't think like us.

I'm not a fan of soccer and think the A-League is in dire straights, but it still has strong support in Melbourne.

The Melbourne Victory were pulling stronger attendances than the Storm until COVID-19. Combined, Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City have more supporters than the Melbourne Storm. Without the Melbourne Victory we wouldn't have MRS.

I also get the feeling the Storm's strength lies in the fact they're the sole rugby league club in Melbourne. Fumbleball fans with an open mind, such as Molly Meldrum, get behind the Storm with fans from other AwFuL clubs that they hate. Melbourne 2 will undo all of that. It's not like Brisbane where there has always been a division among the local rugby league community.

The failure of GWS is another reason I'm against Melbourne 2.

Another concern of mine about Perth is the impact they'll have on Storm. If they get the 18th licence then they'll be entering the NRL around the time Bellamy is retiring. The last thing the Storm can afford is to lose Bellamy at the same time they're facing increased competition for precious talent. I don't think Melbourne will be as strong in 2030 as they were in 2020.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Stop getting emotional. It’s a fact of life; people move interstate, overseas, from the country to the city etc for career and lifestyle reasons. This is no different.

If a Queenslander doesn’t want to play for a club in NSW or Melbourne and they don’t get a contract for a Queensland team then tough s*** they don’t have a career.

If the Queensland talent base becomes thin and weak then the game's popularity in Queensland will nosedive. A less active fanbase in Queensland will lead to poorer ratings and less revenue from the broadcasters.

The game as a whole will suffer.

The game can survive just fine without unwanted teams in Melbourne and Perth, but it will suffer terrible losses without Queensland.

You haven't thought this through.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

So have most clubs

So it's not as bad as Perth Red is making it out to be?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yeah but it’s the A-League, on the balance of probability it is always going to be small or niche. Just like the NBL or an Australian baseball league or an Australian gridiron or an ice hockey league etc. Bigger and better overseas competitions are always going to draw support away from the domestic competition.

It is what it is.

You're very selective with this argument, aren't you?

The BBL is one of the weaker T20 domestic competitions around the world. It's also competing with Test cricket for talent. Ratings and crowds for the BBL have nosedived because it's fielding club cricketers while Australia's best players are playing Tests. Ch7 took Cricket Australia to court over this problem.

 

[Colk]

You're very selective with this argument, aren't you?

The BBL is one of the weaker T20 domestic competitions around the world. It's also competing with Test cricket for talent. Ratings and crowds for the BBL have nosedived because it's fielding club cricketers while Australia's best players are playing Tests. Ch7 took Cricket Australia to court over this problem.

Am I? You’re very emotional in yours. Use figures and logic instead. BTW I don’t care - I like both sports - I just find it amusing that you can’t simply concede something as obvious as this.

Here are the figures. Keep arguing that NBL is going to take over cricket and I’ll await epic emotion filled rant in response

This in particular is a real corker with reference to the BBL ratings-

“the highest of any Australian sports league on a per-game basis.”

Cricket TV ratings: Australia v Pakistan Tests draw big crowds across Australia on Seven

Australia’s victory over Pakistan in the second test at the MCG was a summer hit for the Seven Network with big cricket TV ratings.

www.mediaweek.com.au

Test Cricket Lives! Attendances and TV Ratings v Pakistan 2023-2024 - Sports Industry AU

Test crickets much speculated future appears to be in good hands if the first series of the summer is anything to go by with record crowds, and excellent tv ratings, despite no Test lasting into the fifth day. The series was attended by 349,252 at an average of 29,104 across 12 match days. The...

www.footyindustry.com

TV Ratings November 19, 2023: "We saved our best for last": Australia's incredible win against India at the ICC Cricket World Cup

Australia has won against India in an "unbelievable" ICC Cricket World Cup with captain Pat Cummins saying they "saved our best for last".

www.mediaweek.com.au

No longer pyjama cricket: Viewership numbers dispel any myth that T20s haven’t earned “real cricket” status in Australia – The Roar

Here are the NBL figures even after a massive growth - 137,000 peak audience.

NBL23 has delivered a near-50% spike on last season’s audience on broadcasters ESPN/Kayo. - Sports Industry AU

NBL owner Larry Kestelman believes exploding broadcast ratings and audience numbers back up the feeling at headquarters that the league is finally a legitimate contender in the Australian sporting landscape’s “media wars”. NBL23 has delivered a near-50% spike on last season’s audience on...

www.footyindustry.com

 

[MugaB]

If you are talking about A-League very much so. EPL not so much.

I was talking about our Australian codes

 

[Bukowski]

Am I? You’re very emotional in yours. Use figures and logic instead. BTW I don’t care - I like both sports - I just find it amusing that you can’t simply concede something as obvious as this.

Here are the figures. Keep arguing that NBL is going to take over cricket and I’ll await epic emotion filled rant in response

This in particular is a real corker with reference to the BBL ratings-

“the highest of any Australian sports league on a per-game basis.”

Cricket TV ratings: Australia v Pakistan Tests draw big crowds across Australia on Seven

Australia’s victory over Pakistan in the second test at the MCG was a summer hit for the Seven Network with big cricket TV ratings.

www.mediaweek.com.au

Test Cricket Lives! Attendances and TV Ratings v Pakistan 2023-2024 - Sports Industry AU

Test crickets much speculated future appears to be in good hands if the first series of the summer is anything to go by with record crowds, and excellent tv ratings, despite no Test lasting into the fifth day. The series was attended by 349,252 at an average of 29,104 across 12 match days. The...

www.footyindustry.com

TV Ratings November 19, 2023: "We saved our best for last": Australia's incredible win against India at the ICC Cricket World Cup

Australia has won against India in an "unbelievable" ICC Cricket World Cup with captain Pat Cummins saying they "saved our best for last".

www.mediaweek.com.au

No longer pyjama cricket: Viewership numbers dispel any myth that T20s haven’t earned “real cricket” status in Australia – The Roar

Here are the NBL figures even after a massive growth - 137,000 peak audience.

NBL23 has delivered a near-50% spike on last season’s audience on broadcasters ESPN/Kayo. - Sports Industry AU

NBL owner Larry Kestelman believes exploding broadcast ratings and audience numbers back up the feeling at headquarters that the league is finally a legitimate contender in the Australian sporting landscape’s “media wars”. NBL23 has delivered a near-50% spike on last season’s audience on...

www.footyindustry.com

He really has no idea. He thought the scorchers played in front of small crowds at the WACA last year. Averaged about 38k at Optus in reality.

 

[Colk]

He really has no idea. He thought the scorchers played in front of small crowds at the WACA last year. Averaged about 38k at Optus in reality.

Sometimes it is better to use figures and stats than rely on anecdotals. It is a bit more reliable

 

[Colk]

I was talking about our Australian codes

I agree with you in that case. I wouldn’t be bringing in the A-League into a debate about the NRL.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Am I? You’re very emotional in yours. Use figures and logic instead. BTW I don’t care - I like both sports - I just find it amusing that you can’t simply concede something as obvious as this.

Here are the figures. Keep arguing that NBL is going to take over cricket and I’ll await epic emotion filled rant in response

This in particular is a real corker with reference to the BBL ratings-

“the highest of any Australian sports league on a per-game basis.”

Cricket TV ratings: Australia v Pakistan Tests draw big crowds across Australia on Seven

Australia’s victory over Pakistan in the second test at the MCG was a summer hit for the Seven Network with big cricket TV ratings.

www.mediaweek.com.au

Test Cricket Lives! Attendances and TV Ratings v Pakistan 2023-2024 - Sports Industry AU

Test crickets much speculated future appears to be in good hands if the first series of the summer is anything to go by with record crowds, and excellent tv ratings, despite no Test lasting into the fifth day. The series was attended by 349,252 at an average of 29,104 across 12 match days. The...

www.footyindustry.com

TV Ratings November 19, 2023: "We saved our best for last": Australia's incredible win against India at the ICC Cricket World Cup

Australia has won against India in an "unbelievable" ICC Cricket World Cup with captain Pat Cummins saying they "saved our best for last".

www.mediaweek.com.au

No longer pyjama cricket: Viewership numbers dispel any myth that T20s haven’t earned “real cricket” status in Australia – The Roar

Here are the NBL figures even after a massive growth - 137,000 peak audience.

NBL23 has delivered a near-50% spike on last season’s audience on broadcasters ESPN/Kayo. - Sports Industry AU

NBL owner Larry Kestelman believes exploding broadcast ratings and audience numbers back up the feeling at headquarters that the league is finally a legitimate contender in the Australian sporting landscape’s “media wars”. NBL23 has delivered a near-50% spike on last season’s audience on...

www.footyindustry.com

My point went over your head.

I was responding to this part of your previous comment:

Bigger and better overseas competitions are always going to draw support away from the domestic competition.

It is what it is.

Using your logic, IPL will always be bigger than BBL.

BBL had to shorten its season because attendances and ratings nosedived when they expanded it. Things went to shit when they expanded outside of the school holiday period.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I agree with you in that case. I wouldn’t be bringing in the A-League into a debate about the NRL.

Despite the A-League's decline since the COVID-19 period, there's more active support for the Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City than there is for the Melbourne Storm.



Before COVID-19 the Victory were drawing better attendances than the Storm.

Attendance Statistics :: Totals / Averages (Home Club) :: Ultimate A-League

From the Attendance Statistics section, you access crowd statistics for all A-League Men's competition seasons and matches.

www.ultimatealeague.com

 

[Wb1234]

Despite the A-League's decline since the COVID-19 period, there's more active support for the Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City than there is for the Melbourne Storm.

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Before COVID-19 the Victory were drawing better attendances than the Storm.

Attendance Statistics :: Totals / Averages (Home Club) :: Ultimate A-League

From the Attendance Statistics section, you access crowd statistics for all A-League Men's competition seasons and matches.

www.ultimatealeague.com

Good crowd in Ipswich today

 

[Perth Red]

4?

Yep 4 qrl cup clubs with nrl partnerships in s/sw brisbane

 

[Perth Red]

If the Queensland talent base becomes thin and weak then the game's popularity in Queensland will nosedive. A less active fanbase in Queensland will lead to poorer ratings and less revenue from the broadcasters.

The game as a whole will suffer.

The game can survive just fine without unwanted teams in Melbourne and Perth, but it will suffer terrible losses without Queensland.

You haven't thought this through.

Nswrl is providing players for 10 clubs, qrl can manage 5. Plenty of talented Queenslanders waiting for chance to move to beautiful perth.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Good crowd in Ipswich today

I wouldn't be surprised if the area under the trees on the farside of North Ipswich Reserve are littered with bongs, beer bottles and cigarette butts.