18th club, whose next?

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It all depends on the area it represents.
At the moment Brisbane is represented by the equivalent of the Roosters and Sea Eagles (not perfect but you get the idea).

Broncos v Dolphins doesn't have the class rivalry you see in the big sporting derbies around the planet. Broncs vs Cowboys was the closest we've had and look how popular that has been over the years, despite being 1000kms apart.

If done well I would definitely expect a big impact from a successful Western Corridor bid. It'd be promoting Brisbane's equivalent of Parramatta or Penrith.

On that note, the lack of socio-economic rivalry is the major drawback of Easts Tigers bid imho.

The one thing the Brisbane Tigers have in their favour is four junior clubs in Logan. If they can set up an affiliation with Souths Logan Magpies then they could own southern Brisbane by 2050.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Set up a merger with the lower grade magpies, representing the southside of Brisbane, Redlands Wynnum, and reaching West toward Logan and Ipswich plenty of lower class in that area

In 1933 the Coorparoo Bengals merged with the original Wynnum Manly club to become the Eastern Suburbs District Rugby League Football Club.

 

[Perth Red]

Difference is the Dolphins came in 25 years after the last Brisbane club entered. You think another Brisbane club a few years apart from the Dolphins is going to have the same impact?

I’m all for brisabne 3 being admitted in 24 years lol

 

[Perth Red]

I'd argue that the Dolphins are already the 2nd most popular club in Queensland, tied with the Cowboys, after just 2 years. In 5-10 they'll be as well supported a club as the Eels or Bulldogs. Maybe even the Rabbitohs.

The Broncos will always be the biggest NRL club. But Queensland is a growing state that's mad about rugby league and you're now giving young kids a choice about what club to follow. With success, the Dolphins could end up being the 2nd biggest club in the whole league.

Or they could be another titans. Start like a house on fire for 5 years then become shthouse. Only time will tell.

 

[Wb1234]

Or they could be another titans. Start like a house on fire for 5 years then become shthouse. Only time will tell.

Have you looked at the table ?

Dolphins near the top

Perth aren’t on the table

 

[Perth Red]

Have you looked at the table ?

Dolphins near the top

Perth aren’t on the table

They’re doing well, channeling the donkey,what about when they are shthouse?

titans had five great years of crowds, then they tanked. Far too early to know how dolphins will go long term and to be talking about adding another competitior into their market. And that’s before we consider the need for nrl to not be confined to two states.

A national comp will bring its own returns for nrlhq.
Perth, Christchurch and Adelaide bears. Come on Vlandys show us you’ve really got some kohunas!

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

The fact that you're asking for an explanation of how diminishing returns will effect the NRL's market in Brisbane means that you don't understand it.

Look it's not hard. Putting it as simply as possible (probably a little overly simplistic but whatever, it's suitable for our needs) the law of diminishing returns is a principle of production that argues that changes to a single factor in production will have a reduced return on investment each time you increase it so long as all other variables remain the same.

Using the NRL in Brisbane as the example; increasing the amount of teams increases production, but the cost to add each new team will remain stagnate while the increase in production per team will diminish with each new team until you hit a peak after which it'll actually decrease the return.

In other words the addition of new teams will cost the NRL the same or more than adding the Dolphins did, but the return they receive for that investment will be smaller each time they do it. For example the Broncos cost e.g. $15mil a year and average 30k a season, the Dolphins cost the same and average 25k a season, Easts cost the same and average 20k a year, and so on until you hit a peak after which point it starts to impact the whole line of production and you decrease return across the board (i.e. everybody's attendances start to go down).

Marry that with other basic economic and market factors, e.g. supply and demand, market saturation, etc, etc, and adding more teams to SEQ in quick succession is just quick marching the Brisbane market into being in a similar space as Sydney's, and that isn't in anybody's interest.

And yeah it's inevitable that the law of diminishing returns will effect the the NRL on the national scale at some point as well, but the NRL is a fair way off that point just yet. It's starting to impact the AFL though if you want an example of it in action in this industry in another sport.

Does that clear things up? Probably not right, but a man can dream lol.

This is just your opinion and much of it is plain wrong.

You said a third Brisbane team might cost the NRL more.

How?

It'll get the same annual grant as every other club.

A club like the Brisbane Tigers have a large geographic footprint that includes more than a dozen affiliate junior teams from Bulimba in east-north-east Brisbane to Yarrabilba in the outer south-eastern suburbs of Logan. Just like the Dolphins, it'll use a share of the money it generates each year from football operations and Leagues Club to fast track the development of juniors within its catchment.

There's no evidence that the Brisbane Tigers will have fewer supporters than the Dolphins. Tigers will have twice as many people within their catchment and be the only team based south of the Brisbane River.

Teams in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth will require significant investment from the ARLC because their infrastructure is almost non-existent. The returns from this investment will be minuscule for several decades and generations. Storm have produced half a dozen Victorian born and raised NRL players over a quarter of a century. I'm sure you'll blame this on Brisbane, Sydney and the ARLC. Perth Rat does whenever he's confronted with this inconvenient fact.

We know that the Storm were propped up with an extra $100m from News Ltd/ARLC over 20 seasons for a net gain of less than half a dozen born and bred Victorian players, all of whom were plodders.

You're living in a fantasy world if you think that's a better return than what a third Brisbane team will provide.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

A point the NRL is arguably already at in Brisbane/SEQ, or at least near enough that it makes no difference.

Prove it!

There's no evidence to back up your bullshit claim.

 

[Perth Red]

When dolphins and broncos regularly sell out Suncorp we should consider brisbane 3.until then both clearly have capacity for further growth

 

[Wb1234]

They’re doing well, channeling the donkey,what about when they are shthouse?

titans had five great years of crowds, then they tanked. Far too early to know how dolphins will go long term and to be talking about adding another competitior into their market. And that’s before we consider the need for nrl to not be confined to two states.

A national comp will bring its own returns for nrlhq.
Perth, Christchurch and Adelaide bears. Come on Vlandys show us you’ve really got some kohunas!

Titans had a property development go bust and the athrowing a billion dollars on their new club. Dolphins have 100 million in property assets

Gold Coast is a small regional market Brisbane is a large metro

titans were a brand new club dolphins have been around since 47

the lions are already complaining about the impact of the dolphins

 

[Perth Red]

Titans had a property development go bust and the athrowing a billion dollars on their new club. Dolphins have 100 million in property assets

Gold Coast is a small regional market Brisbane is a large metro

titans were a brand new club dolphins have been around since 47

the lions are already complaining about the impact of the dolphins

Fans didn’t stop going after 5 years due to abad investment.
that small regional market started off with a crowd avg not far different to dolphins.
redcliffe drew about 800 people to games, the 30k dolphins membership, cough cough, aren’t old Redcliffe fans lol

yeh im sure they are, last year they avgd more than the dolphins and their best crowd avg in 15 years, seems to have made a massive impact lol

 

[Wb1234]

Fans didn’t stop going after 5 years due to abad investment.

That’s what sent the club broke

even now the titans crowd average is more than Perth will ever get

did you see the crowd tonight ? Dolphins

 

[Perth Red]

That’s what sent the club broke

even now the titans crowd average is more than Perth will ever get

did you see the crowd tonight ? Dolphins

lol,sure iit is.

yeh all those redcliffe fans who couldn’t be arsed to get a bus to Suncorp flew to Townsville instead lol

 

[Wb1234]

lol,sure iit is.

yeh all those redcliffe fans who couldn’t be arsed to get a bus to Suncorp flew to Townsville instead lol

Qld fans want to see their teams play another qld team

you know a derby

none of them are going to show up to watch Perth

 

[Perth Red]

Qld fans want to see their teams play another qld team

you know a derby

none of them are going to show up to watch Perth

Eh? we won’t need queensland fans to show up for games in perth lol. You make no sense

Do you even know what a derby is? Playing a team 1000kms away that happens to be in same state isn’t a derby lol

 

[Wb1234]

Eh? we won’t need queensland fans to show up for games in perth lol. You make no sense

Im talking about why the dolphins boost other qld clubs crowds and Perth won’t

try and keep up

your beloved afl thought Gold Coast was so important they rushed a side in their after league and spent a billion on it

 

[Perth Red]

Im talking about why the dolphins boost other qld clubs crowds and Perth won’t

try and keep up

your beloved afl thought Gold Coast was so important they rushed a side in their after league and spent a billion on it

didn’t cowboys get more against nsw clubs this year lol?

Aren’t the suns getting bigger crowds than titans? Now thats just plain embarrassing! Clearly another seq team isn’t a good idea when two of the three are lagging behind the AFl clubs as it is.

 

[Wb1234]

didn’t cowboys get more against nsw clubs this year lol?

Aren’t the suns getting bigger crowds than titans? Now thats just plain embarrassing! Clearly another seq team isn’t a good idea when two of the three are lagging behind the AFl clubs as it is.

So alf sees merit in Gold Coast and you don’t ?

and Brisbane 2 was a bad choice for a license ?

 

[Perth Red]

So alf sees merit in Gold Coast and you don’t ?

and Brisbane 2 was a bad choice for a license ?

Never said I didn’t. I like the titans.
but tbh I do pnt think for the afl or nrl it’s been a particularly big return on investment do you?

nope brisbane2 was an obvious choice for the last twenty years, just they picked the wrong bid, imo.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

They’re doing well, channeling the donkey,what about when they are shthouse?

titans had five great years of crowds, then they tanked. Far too early to know how dolphins will go long term and to be talking about adding another competitior into their market. And that’s before we consider the need for nrl to not be confined to two states.

A national comp will bring its own returns for nrlhq.
Perth, Christchurch and Adelaide bears. Come on Vlandys show us you’ve really got some kohunas!

Didn't the Titans' support dwindle because the Centre of Excellence debacle left a lot of tradies unpaid when the club went broke?

The grant was much lower back in those days, too.

It's disingenuous at best for Perth Rat to compare Dolphins with Titans when so much has changed over the last 15 years. The prick says we cannot compare Western Reds' shit attendances and poor financials between 95-97 with clubs from 2024 because it was a different era. He picks and chooses when to uphold his arbitrary rules.